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The Muslim Tearoom

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HardlyEverHoovers · 20/03/2013 15:25

Salaams/peace to all! I'm already missing our old thread, so taking the bull by the horns and opening our very own Muslim Tearoom, all welcome (non-Muslims too of course), to chat, share, ask questions etc etc. Imagine a cosy cafe with floor cushions, tea and coffee of all kinds, and lovely cakes! Please join me!

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LostAndNeverFound · 24/05/2013 23:49

Grin nailak

How are you doing yummy? I think I want to let you know you're not alone. I'm in a verbally and emotionally abusive marriage. I've never admitted that but reading your post made me shed a tear. Although there's a big difference, his family are on my side. They know what he's like, how he treats me and my sister in laws are always asking me why I put up with it. His mum is very protective of me and my children. We're the only reason she's staying living in the town we're in, she's the only one that can 'control' my husband when he's out of control and she worries about us.

I'm just sat in bed crying wondering why I put up with his shit. I've just been told for the umpteenth time I'm crap because I didn't make any dinner again today. My 6 week old is breastfeeding two hourly, my toddler is very lively and my 8 year old started her half term today. Yet apparently that's no excuse not to have dinner on the table when he gets in from 'work'. He works 2 hours a day on taxis and keeps the money for himself. Occasionally I get a tenner but he's never paid a penny for any household bills or rent. And if I ask for money he asks for it back. Sigh. Oh and he spends the day at his mums watching films, on the ps3 or asleep in his brothers bed.

He's not a very nice person, he used to be until the weed took over. He's never raised a hand to me, but I get weekly, sometimes daily verbal abuse. And it's always my fault. Like it is today. He says I'm withdrawing and not giving him any attention. Of course I am, but he doesn't understand why when I try and explain how he makes me feel. Then there's the porn, and the other girl he was texting.

I take solace in islam, it's my lifeline. He calls himself a Muslim. He did start praying after his dad passed away, he changed for the better. Now it's all coming back.

So yummy, unfortunately you're not alone. I just get on with looking after my children and striving to be a good person. But I'll never be a good wife, not by his standards.

Sorry to derail, as you were... Smile.

And now my toddler is awake... Oh the joys!!

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MareeeyaDoloures · 25/05/2013 15:11

Ah, ignore. Stiff upper lip, blitz spirit, don't mention the war etc. It's our common British birthright to put our heads in the sand, make a cup of tea, and carry on as normal Grin.

Everyone sensible knows that a murderous nutter shouting pseudo-Islamic slogans is the same as a murderous nutter shouting BNF slogans. With a bit of luck, the various extremists will end up in adjacent cells and a shared slop-bucket.

Alternatively, if all UK women (yes, all the Woolwich wives included) vowed to wear this for one day, perhaps every extremist nutter would be united in being struck dumb with horror Grin.

yummytummy · 25/05/2013 16:40

salaam sistersthankyou for the kind words and duas.

lostandfound am sorry to hear of your situation its a horrible place to be in. it does make a difference to have support though am glad his family is supportive of you that must help a little? congrats on new baby mashallah and i also have a lively toddler so know how demanding they can be!

so i had the talk. he is not prepared to move out and says if he does it wont be a separation it will be a divorce and thats it. he is i think also scared of the family's reaction and the fact that they wont be able to cope with a split. he says he admits he has issues and has hurt me but he is going to work on that but wants to work on it while we are living together.

i tried to explain the level of fear but he just doesnt really get it and is on about missing the kids etc etc i did establish some boundaries and he knows that if he does anything again and police are called then he will definitely be prosecuted and will lose his job. but he is still very much "you put me in jail" even though on some level he knows its all him.

its so shit as now i dont know whats best, to give him a chanceor what? its possible he will behave but he also may not.

so confusing and upsetting. he has gone to his mums with the kids and no doubt they are badmouthing me as i didnt go but am so fed up of the pretence of happy families while they all pretend as if nothing is happening. especially since his parents have said some horrendous things to me which you wouldnt be able to forgive another person for but as they are in laws i just have to take it.

so angry and upset

nailak · 25/05/2013 18:34

yummy,

the rules of talaaq, one a month, you stay together for that time and the iddah?

May Allah make it easy for you.

Crescent I don't think we should aplogise. This is what I wrote on fb with quote from huffington post

Anyone who thinks Muslims need to distance themselves from any murders are revealing their underlying prejudices and an "us and them" attitude. A brutal murder occured. Our whole community is in shock. Muslims are part of the community and British society, to say they need to speak out is viewing them as separate, they somehow think differently, or feel differently from the "rest of us". We need to stop being so apologetic about being Muslims.

"Blogging for HuffPost UK, the incoming vice president of academic affairs at KCL, wrote: "I disagree with [the Muslim Council of Britain] reaffirming the need to distance Islam's true teachings from the individual who attacked the soldier.

Because frankly, Muslims do not need to have to reaffirm and clarify their faith in a way that creates the perception of them being inferior from British society."

However I do think Dawah is a different thing. When people say things, online or in our presence we should be willing and able to respond in a calm, dignified and knowledgable manner.

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MareeeyaDoloures · 28/05/2013 13:18

Crescent, for a real high-impact day all we non-Muslim ladies will need to wear one too Grin. Did you hear about the damp squib EDL protest outside York masjid in the pouring rain? The mosque leaders had the absolutely genius idea of asking the "protesters" inside for dialogue, custard creams and the big match on widescreen TV. Then they (very gently) educated them in a few basics about Islam's teaching on murder.

DrSeuss · 28/05/2013 13:25

Salaam! How's about this, then!
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/27/edl-york-mosque-cup-of-tea-woolwich-_n_3341891.html

What a fabulous idea!

crescentmoon · 28/05/2013 14:01

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LostAndNeverFound · 28/05/2013 22:48

Salaam dear crescent. I have read your response a few times, and I can relate and understand every single thing you said. I've said this before but you speak such wise words.

Yes you're quite right, if any sister were in the situation I'd tell them to LTB run for the hills. I feel like this isn't my life, it feels like I'm looking in on someone else and this isn't me. I'm actually a very strong willed person, in my life before islam I didn't take any shit from anyone and always stood my ground. I was quite feisty. So this doesn't feel like me. I'm not a walkover. To the outside world I wear the trousers. But behind closed doors it's a different story, I do stand my ground when he says things that are so outrageous it's laughable. But I try to just ignore as I don't want him throwing things back in my face by saying I'm argumentative. Don't get me wrong, I don't cower in the corner, I'm not scared of him and 90% of the time our relationship is 'normal'.

Cooking wise, we probably eat at my in laws just as much as we eat at home. He has a big breakfast there every morning. So I don't know why he had that outburst, which he's had before, when there's always food readily available at his mums. They don't mind us eating there, I just offer to make something every now and then and take it round for them.

His family call him Jekyll and Hyde. I couldn't agree more.

I actually asked him to leave yesterday. I can't deal with what he's done any longer, it's hurting too much and I don't want it to effect my children. We had a long chat, he wouldn't accept it's over. He still doesn't. He's still here acting like everything is ok, being extra nice to us all. Typical abusive behaviour I believe.

We need to stay in the town we're living in really. My eldest is settled at school. My mum, brother & sister all live minutes away, as do my inlaws. I'm very close with my siblings and their children, I see them all at least twice a week. I do keep thinking about moving away, but I fear our problems will just follow us wherever we go.

I've referred my H time and time again to the Quran where it states about money. For some reason he seems to think he's exempt Hmm. I'm fighting a losing battle. He has no fear of God, this is the problem. All of his friends work extremely hard and provide for their families, they all have savings, nice houses and nice cars. We have nothing. A car, yes. Our own house, no. Savings, not a penny.

The game playing seems to have ceased for now, it comes and goes. I think his mum told him to get round to mine and help me out or she'd stop cooking his breakfast!

I can't reply to everything you've written, I'm on my phone feeding my beautiful boy in bed. But I have read it all, and thank you again for taking the time to reply to me.

Marshallah you're brother sounds wonderful. It's reassuring knowing people can change.

Yummy I'd love to give you advice but all the other sisters have said it all. Also I don't think I'm in any position to tell you what I think you should do, given my own situation!

That news story is reassuring to read after all the negative press recently. I like like it!

HardlyEverHoovers · 29/05/2013 17:58

Salaams dear lost, i'm having problems finding time to keep up with mumsnet at the moment, but have been trying to read your posts about your situation. Crescent has given you some wonderful advice. My marriage is also difficult (feels particularly so at the moment, but has its ups and downs). At the moment I couldn't justify leaving, as my son definitely benefits from a stable family home and his very devoted father, but I know it might not always be that way. I try and make myself internally strong, so that I am not too badly affected by him and his different moods and controlling behaviour. For example, he did his best to spoil my day with my family to celebrate my passing an important exam, but I just got on with having a lovely day anyway. It's hard though, and I have many tearful nights when he's at work.

My fear is that if I ever did leave it would be so completely permanent, there would be know going back, and I'm a long way off being that certain that it will never work.
Not sure that sharing my situation will help you at all, but I think sometimes it's nice to know that not everyone is n wonderful marriages, which you can sometimes feel when your struggling along all on your own. Your in laws sound great, mine are pretty good too, which helps. I'll make dua for you dear lost.

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LostAndNeverFound · 29/05/2013 20:19

Salaam hardly. Thank you for taking the time to reply, and for sharing that with me. I think you've described how I feel. When he upsets me, I try my best to ignore him and keep a happy face, especially for the children.

His sister always says how strong I am for staying with him, when I think I'm weak for not having the strength to leave.

He is also a devoted dad, he's brilliant with the children and DD2 especially is in awe of him. She's very attached to him (as I'm sure all girls are to their daddy's) and they have an amazing bond. Even more so at the moment as I'm spending so much time feeding and seeing to the baby.

I think I'm sad that I'm not alone in this. Three sisters suffering from an unhappy marriage, I pray for all of us that Allah swt gives us strength from within.

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LostAndNeverFound · 29/05/2013 21:59

He's still here, carrying on like normal. The hardest thing is he makes me laugh, and this evening I forgot for a minute what had happened and laughed with him about something he said. I then stopped abruptly and put on my 'moody' face. He obviously noticed and said its ok to smile, you haven't done much of it recently and I've missed you.

I honesty don't know though whether I'll follow through with him leaving. I know I'm worth more than this. I know I don't deserve it. But deep down I keep thinking he's got it in him to change. Looking back he's changed loads since I first met him in lots of ways. I like to keep my faith in him, mad as that sounds!!

I want my son to have a bond with him like he deserves to. I think I'm trying to talk myself out of leaving him Confused. This is so hard! I have upmost respect to those women on the relationship board who up and leave their abusive husbands.

Yummy please keep us updated if you can.

Madmum24 · 29/05/2013 22:05

Assalamo alaikum sisters,

Sonice to discover this thread mashaAllah! I haven't read it all in depth, but just want to give my du'aa for those who are having a hard time at the moment, remember with every difficulty comes ease and Allah swt is always there for us x

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nailak · 29/05/2013 23:56

jzk sis

hardly and lost have you thought of ruqya btw? you never know might help! Also I know a sis who wants to set up a Muslim version of relate, she has been a islamic counsellor for more then 20 years and is experienced in marriage counselling and stuff, she does workshps on communication, change, parenting and so on, if anyone wants deatails please inbox me and i will pass them on inshaAllah

HardlyEverHoovers · 31/05/2013 13:28

Nailak, I have been in touch with someone recently about ruqya, and inshAllah will be going down that route. It's certainly worth a try, as we know that there are both seen and unseen forces at work in our lives, so any approach to a problem should deal with both possible causes I suppose. I haven't done it up until now because I haven't known anybody trustworthy who does it (know a lot of strange people who do it and charge lots of money). Also my husband does it anyway, so I wasn't sure we needed someone else to do it, but then I thought that as the problems came from us maybe it would be better for an outsider to do it. I'll PM you for those details inshAllah.
Lost, it sounds in your situation that leaving temporarily might be a way of shocking your husband into realising the extent of the problems. As you have the support of his family etc, and if you don't feel it would cause any further problems.
Unfortunately if I did this I'd be a grave danger of losing DS, I have never even mentioned the possibility of our marriage ending for this reason.
Thanks for the hadith crescent.

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LostAndNeverFound · 02/06/2013 14:39

Thanks for those hadiths crescent I read them with goosebumps. I find I often get that when reading something that I can relate to in my personal life.

Unfortunately things have gone from bad to worse today so I'm going to stop posting about my marital problems until I work out a way forward. Thank you all for your help and support.

HardlyEverHoovers · 02/06/2013 23:07

We'll keep making dua for you lost. xxx

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