Islam - is anyone interested in it? No preaching, just asking...

[PasseBlanc]

Just wondering if anyone here is or has ever been interested in coming to Islam, despite all the bad press/media hype etc?

I'm not here to quote and preach, I just want to maybe answer a few questions from my own perspective as a convert/revert muslim and give a bit of evidence.

Your thoughts/opinions/questions welcome

Hello - I think that would prove that any scientific evidence OP has found in the Quran was there from the time of Mohammad.

only42nite - one thing. ask the Jewish and Christian scholars for the original texts to their Holy Books. Ask them. Because they don't have them and have not had them for a very long time.

The Qur'an was sent as a final warning as such. The Gospel and Torah had been sent previously and compiled, only to be changed by the menaces in their societies. The Qur'an was sent in the arabic language. Any language scholar will tell you that the classical arabic language of the Qur'an has never been changed.

Harun Yahya was a Turkish scholar and muslim who has since passed away I believe. He did a brilliant and compelling series on science in the Qur'an as well as explaining much of what is written about the earth and nature.

You haven't answered my question about the development of a baby in the womb. Please answer me ! Why does the mention of pregnancy having three stages prove anything about Islam ? It means that people at that time has noticed that about pregnancies. In what way is that a religious revelation ?

emmanana - it's purely choice for some women, I have many friends that wear the face cover and friends that don't cover,

The fact that there is science in the Quaran only proves that people back then knew a thing or two. Like Aristotle knew a thing or two, or Archimedes for that matter.

HellyCheeky - give me a chance!!! I'm writing lol

"Study and find out for yourself what suits you, and don't go into anything without having complete evidence for it."

The more I study the more I realise the less complete evidence is FOR EVERYTHING

Not forgetting Pythagoras, of course. Hippocrates.

Boy, we can reel of hundreds of ancient scientists.

In what way do you mean interested in Islam. Do you mean the beliefs of Islam. Then no I'm not really. I am a Christian but have my doubts so that's enough for me to worry about for the time being.

emmanana - Quran requires modest dress in general, and that the head cover be extended over the shoulders to cover the bosom. That is basically it.

Those who cover their faces or wear a burqa find evidence that it is required from the alleged sayings of Mohammad. Still, Quran is very clear that it is complete, perfect, and all you need to be a Muslim so by consequence, burqa cannot be justified in Islam because it doesn't appear in the Quran.

Words arent changed but their meanings are interpreted and are open to manipulation. That is how you have different branches of Islam (and any other religion)

Those verses prove that whoever wrote them was a scientist. A very clever one. It does not prove inside knowledge.

I am not saying your beleifs are wrong, or mine are right. I suspect a lot of our beliefs are the same, we just choose to identify ourselves differently. But your beliefs are beliefs, they are not proofs or absolute truths and you cannot profess them to be. You can say "This is the evedece I have and what I choose to base MY beliefs on" but that is all anyone can say.

haha make sense of that!!
I'll try again....
evidence for anything and everything becomes more and more incomplete the more and more I study

Okaaaay. So, in your opening post, you say 'I'm not here to quote and preach' and that you just want to answer a few questions. Then as the thread progresses, you start quoting, and insisting that people must study it for themselves before coming to any conclusion on religion in general, and then badmouthing Christianity and Judaism by saying that their message has been changed by the 'menaces in their societies'.

Doesn't sound to me like you are not quoting and preaching, it sounds very much as if you are in fact quoting and preaching .

Can you explain the fact that there are sects of Islam that have a mutual hatred great enough to justify murder?

If the Qu'ran is as immutable as is claimed, surely there should also be only one interpretation?

At least the science in islam is correct. The jesus in the bible can't even tell the time or the seasons.

You say that people 'noticed' these things in a womb. How could they notice them without killing and dysecting a pregnant woman, one thing that was abhorred and forbidden by muslim and pagan communities alike??? The Qur'an if you read the quotes properly, mention the physical disposition of the foetus itself in clarity. They didn't start dysecting women if they died in childbirth or if they died during pregnancy! These people came after the mayans and egyptians who made sacrifices and dysections of human beings and were not part of these activities. So to me, and many other billions of muslims around the world, it's a pretty big deal.

emmanana it's a cultural as well as religious thing

In Saudi Arabia your husband is arrested if you are nOt covered - so even non-Muslims have to wear burqa there. My aunt would always say in an argument 'I will stand on the balcony with no burqa and have you arrested' to her husband. Which always makes me chuckle!!

North Africa and countries like Syrua/Yemen culturally just cover head.

In Pakistan people from the village/illiterate types cover their hair. And until the current generation of 20-something's educated women never covered their hair because they wanted to show they are liberal. However, there now seems to be more young educated girls wearing hijabs

Ii also have an aunt who had alopecia and only wears the hijab to cover it.

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What is the point of this thread. Im muslim and its making me feel arsey. Muhammad was a respected trader for his wifes business. No way coukd he do that while illiterate.
And at one point there were various versions of the quran. Uthman or abu bakr had them destroyed.

Passeblanc, midwives have been delivering babies as long as humans have been having them. Reckon they might have noticed a thing or two?

CrunchyFrog - You are right. Unfortunately, and I will try to explain it simply, sects in islam have been happening for a very long time now and go back to the decision of caliph by the muslims after Mohammed died.

The sects and divisions of muslim have been foretold by Mohammed a long time before they happened and this is narrated in a number of historical hadiths.

people sect because of misguidance, because of family pressure, because of innovations that seem attractive to them (worshipping shrines etc), but it was forbidden by Mohammed and he set clear instructions that did not permit any deviation from the original path. Hope that has explained it a bit

Hey I would be saying the same if a Christian or a Jewish person came on here. It is not that I am claiming The Bible, the Qur'an or the Torah are right or wrong in any part. That is for people to make their own decisions about.

PasseBlanc - Harun Yahya is more commonly known as Adnan Hoca (Adnan Hodja) and is a crook and a swindler, not to mention conspiracy theorist and a denier of evolution and the Holocaust. He is not yet dead.

When he first became known, it was because he gathered under his umbrella the young children of influential & rich families in Istanbul. Under the guise of teaching them about religion, he was promoting free sex (through short-term "marriages" ) and swindling those affluent teenagers & university students out of serious money. (I was in Istanbul at the time and personally know people who got caught up in his organisation)

He then wrote several books where he said Jews and Freemasons are working together to turn Turks away from Islam and "into animals". (Freemasonry is a legal organisation in Turkey and there is quite a Jewish population, descendants of Jews who fled persecution in Europe). He also promotes Islamic creationism, and fervently denies evolution ever happened.

There is more, but long story short, it is not someone you want to be associated with. In your place, I'd find some other website to link to.

And maybe research a bit better next time, before you believe the first thing you read.

Yes midwives have been delivering babies but that still doesn't explain how detailed and accurate the physical formation of a foetus is explained in the Qur'an. Also the Qur'an mentions man being created from an ejaculation, an expelled fluid. Pagans back in those times, and all over the world believed children came straight from the gods, nothing to do with semen at all. That to them was a discharge emitted from someone who had had sex.

"Can you explain the fact that there are sects of Islam that have a mutual hatred great enough to justify murder?"

You mean like Catholics and Protestants in Ireland did?