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Reiki

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Fanatic · 06/06/2012 15:30

Has anyone tried Reiki? Could you tell me a little bit about it?

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Tizzylizzy · 24/06/2012 21:10
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CoteDAzur · 25/06/2012 07:41

Tizzy - Nobody said meditation is woo. It is very effective in calming your mind and reducing anxiety.

There are some interesting studies on brain waves of Tibetan monks during meditation. Here is a Wired article on the subject I think you will like.

Tizzylizzy · 25/06/2012 15:05

Cote - I do believe you were ridiculing 'love from the universe' and the like?

CoteDAzur · 25/06/2012 17:35

Yes, and I can start again, if you like Smile As in, the explanation for Reiki's "powers" being some undescribed love energy of the universe.

That is not meditation, though. Meditation is about calming your mind and controlling your thoughts. There is no doubt that meditation is very effective. Read that article I linked to - it's fascinating.

Tizzylizzy · 25/06/2012 17:56

My point is when I meditated I felt a weird at oneness and all things being connected type feeling - and I believe after researching it this is a common feeling when meditating. Not just relaxed and calm. Perhaps this is the energy that reiki channels?

The experience has opened my mind in that I don't rubbish things like reiki now as prior to trying meditation I thought it was wiffy waffy nonsense.

CoteDAzur · 25/06/2012 18:26

Study after study after study has shown that Reiki is no more effective than placebo. So no, it's not channelling anything, least of all an undefined "love energy of the universe".

As I said before, meditation is effective in calming the mind and reducing anxiety, though. It is not woo and it has nothing to do with fantastic claims of universal energies to be channeled.

Tizzylizzy · 25/06/2012 19:37

So what of this weird 'at oneness'. Not calm and relaxed - a feeling of absolutely everything being connected. As I say I knew nothing of this apart from vague hippy references before giving it a try.

Funny you should mention meditation as not being woo. Prior to scientists being able to measure brain activity it was absolute woo in the realms of science. Which nicely leads me to my next point...

I'm no scientist Cote but hear me out. Prior to an instrument being invented to receive/measure radiowaves did anyone know they were there? Same with UVA etc? What happens if there's a frequency beyond measurable frequencies? This 'universal love' thing? Is that so absurd? What if this is what all religions hinge on?

And in terms of these 'controlled experiments' - they are hardly fair testing (My GCSE science coming into its own here). Firstly pain is an entirely subjective experience - one individual might experience it in different ways day to day, never mind comparing and contrasting a range of individuals. I'm presuming pain is the key variable in this fibromyalgia ma whatty.

I don't want to go head to head with a physicist (sp?) on all things scientific. My initial point was that my mind was closed, but after meditation an extraordinary experience has opened my mind just a little. Are you as arrogant to think that you're right and that's that?

Tizzylizzy · 25/06/2012 20:28

Your link argues my point! "Davidson's research created a stir."

Now...are there any 'controlled experiments' to say that meditation cures cancer? I would hazard a guess at no. Yet scientists have now given an inch - meditation isn't invalid. It's a 'something'. Could reiki be a 'something' too at some point in the future? When scientists work out how to quantify it?

Tizzylizzy · 25/06/2012 20:29

What an interesting discussion by the way. Nothing personal intended.

Mitsouko · 04/07/2012 12:09

Ok, probably a very bad idea to open this thread back up after 22 pages of back and forth (sorry, haven't read the entire thing) but I was browsing and just wanted to add a few thoughts for any lurkers or people with an interest. Skeptics - please feel free to dismiss at will!

One of the fundamental problems that manifest when discussing the subject at hand is that what is generally known as Reiki in the west is a wide array of numerous practices and beliefs that bear very little comparison to the system as originally practiced in Japan, where it is known as Usui Reiki Ryoho. It has roots in Tendai Buddhism and was developed by Mikao Usui, a zaike, or lay priest of that tradition following an experience of satori he had in 1915. It was intended to be a simple system of spiritual and personal development, the practice of which promoted good health and well-being on all levels. Much of the focus centers on the development of mindfulness in daily life, breathing, meditation, and the strengthening of ki, or vital energy, through the laying on of hands, or tenohira in Japanese. The practice of tenohira may be done on the self or shared with others. It is this element of Reiki which has evolved to become a popular complementary therapy in the west - though the ways in which it is practiced are manifold and there is no current standardization or regulation in place for it. So when a person goes to see a Reiki practitioner, they may be seeing someone who has recently been on a weekend workshop or someone with decades of experience behind them.

Reiki was first introduced to the west by a Japanese-American woman named Hawayo Takata in the 1930's who essentially removed most of the Japanese material in an effort to make it understandable, and marketable, to westerners. She was very successful in rewriting the system's history and charging excessively high fees. None of her students were aware that Reiki was still practiced in Japan, or that is was practiced in a very different way in which they had been taught. When Mrs Takata passed away in 1980, there was no western authority left on the subject, and the practice became more ambiguous as it began to grow in popularity within the emerging new age movement.

I first experienced Reiki as a student when I was suffering from a hereditary condition which limited my mobility, caused chronic pain and negatively impacted my mental health. I was also experiencing nasty side effects from the medication I was on (there is no cure for said condition but some of the pain and other symptoms can be alleviated by drugs). I was initially very skeptical when offered treatments by a friend, but when you're suffering you'll try most anything, and I approached it with an open mind. There was no belief involved, and not much expectation either as I had already tried a few complementary therapies without success. But Reiki was quite different. My initial experiences were subtle, but definitely helpful. After a few sessions I felt better, physically and mentally. Please understand - I was not cured - but I did feel a difference that I'd not previously felt with anything else, so I decided to take a few Reiki courses to explore it further.

My first courses were horrible. I was very uncomfortable with the degree of woo to be honest. Spirit guides, ascended masters, angels, chakras - it all seemed pretty ridiculous. But I sat through the courses respectfully and learned how to perform treatments on myself. I just ignored the elements I was uncomfortable with and focused on the practical stuff.

I really took to self-treatment and began to perform it daily. Within a year my symptoms had improved to the degree that I was able to phase out my medication, which was great as it was only partially effective and had some very unpleasant side effects. I began researching Reiki history and was fascinated by its Buddhist roots and practice in Japan. Eventually I took some more courses, this time by a more informed and traditionally minded teacher. They really deepened and enriched my practice, and it was nice to know that all the woo I had been so uncomfortable with in the beginning wasn't really part of it anyway - not in a traditional sense at least.

I'm now in my 30's and have been practicing for about 15 years. My health is much better than it was in my 20's and I no longer have to take medication for my condition. But this is not because I had a few treatments from a practitioner and was magically cured. Traditional practice of Reiki is very much a discipline along the lines of Tai Chi, Qi Gong, or a martial art. Much emphasis is placed on personal development, cultivation of mindfulness, and self-healing. It demands a lot from the practitioner, but the rewards are well worth the effort.

Please forgive me if I can't respond to what I'm sure will be the inevitable criticism to follow - I'm a new mum with a 15 week baby who is very high need at the moment. I just wanted to write this in the hope that it could educate and assist anyone with an interest.

madmomma · 04/07/2012 14:26

That's extremely interesting tizzylizzy, and I'm so glad you've had your condition recede. Can you recommend any books on the tradition + history of reiki?

madmomma · 04/07/2012 14:27

Aargh, sorry I meant Mitsouko

OTheHugeManatee · 04/07/2012 14:35

My DP tried reiki in desperation during his breakdown, to help with the stomach cramps he was suffering. He's the most rational and un-woo person I know, but says it was very helpful and provided rapid relief.

He still goes for a reiki session periodically at stressful times, and says he couldn't care less if it's a placebo effect or not as long as it helps with his guts.

mistle · 05/07/2012 12:52

I've been lurking on this thread and after reading Mitsouko's comments I've decided to go ahead and post.

My experience with reiki started with somebody I work with. After getting to know her she mentioned that she did reiki and asked me if I wanted to have a quick 15 min session one lunchtime. I had never heard of it and as she explained the principles I admit I was very sceptical about the whole thing. Nonetheless I said I?d give it a go and so a few days later I found myself sitting in a chair holding crystals, listening to new-age meditation music and being expected to relax. I felt completely uncomfortable and embarrassed about the ridiculous ceremony that I had agreed to be a part of. When all of a sudden, and from nowhere I burst in to tears. There was no thought attached to it (unless the thought was how nothing couple possibly happen to me as I was convinced that my colleague was basically not doing anything that could have any kind of effect on me) and I certainly wasn?t crying because reiki had failed. It was an emotional outburst that came from nowhere, something which I have never experienced before or since and certainly never forgotten.

I just wanted to post this in the hope that it might spur people who are on the fence about going for a reiki session to give it a go. Some people experience things; some don?t. Incidentally many people report much more extreme reactions than emotional outbursts such as the sensation of hands other than the reiki practitioner on their body, physical manipulation of joints or limbs that is completely out of their control and even visions of and messages from loved ones that have passed over (sceptics please restrain yourselves ). A friend of mine (massively sceptical, searches for logic in everything) recently had a treatment on somebody she knows that wanted to practise and was surprised to find that as soon as the practitioner put her hands on her head her eyes rapidly started twitching, she felt heat down one side of the body only and felt pulling sensations on her lower back (an area causes her problems). So sceptics- give it a go, who knows, your mind might just be opened! 

I also want to point out that any good reiki practitioner would never tell a patient not to bother with western medicine; as Mitsouko rightly points out reiki is a subtle process which doesn?t claim to provide instant relief from a particular ailment.

I hope that people out there that are unsure about reiki will at least give it a go. It may not be for you but who knows, you may just discover that you love it.

mistle · 05/07/2012 12:54

Not sure why my smileys haven't worked! &#61514 should in fact be :)

Mitsouko · 05/07/2012 15:09

When I first began practicing I was really astonished by the intensity of the physical sensations (called hibiki in Japanese) I would often feel during meditation or self treatment. Very intense, pulsing heat in the hands and feet, tingling sensations along the arms and over the head. The heat would intensify over areas of my body that felt especially tense or painful. I'd often have feelings of pins and needles in my hands, like I'd been sitting on them.

I'm sure skeptics would dismiss this as all in my imagination but for me, it was hard to do so given the strength of the sensations and how unexpected they were.

I've never had any odd or 'supernatural' experiences during my practice, but have had some strong and surprising emotional reactions as well.

As for books on more traditional approaches to Reiki, unfortunately there are not many I've found in English, but The Japanese Art of Reiki by Frans and Bronwen Stiene is a great introduction, and their Reiki Sourcebook is very good for more detailed history. The Stienes are based in Sydney but have studied with several Japanese teachers; they aim to practice a style of Reiki which is true to its roots and free from much of the unrelated, new-age material which has become so prevalent and popular in western practice.

Light on the Origins of Reiki by Tadao Yamaguchi is also very insightful. He learned Reiki from his mother Chiyoko, who was contemporary of Hawayo Takata - they trained with the same teacher in the 1930's. He was one of four brothers and his mum used Reiki extensively within the family for all manner of childhood injuries and illnesses. It was necessary, living in post-war, rural Japan with only limited access to medical care.

whatthewhatthebleep · 27/07/2012 21:50

I have done Reiki for a number of years 15+ and in all that time I have periodically found myself practicing treatments on myself ...often without thought/awareness. I often will be in a person's company and feel that I could be of some assistance to them...my hands will heat up and I become aware that I am projecting Reiki towards that person....

I don't often discuss this and more often than not I don't pay a great deal of attention or mindfulness to this area of myself...it is nevertheless part of me and at times just there with me...

If I do focus on it then I find it de-stresses me and leaves me relaxed and calm. I connect with animals quite alot and my friends dog loves it and quite deliberately parks himself along side me and nudges my hands to make me lay my hands on him...he usually collapses at my feet and goes to sleep...he's a young, big energetic loony so sitting down is asking alot!!

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