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Reiki

542 replies

Fanatic · 06/06/2012 15:30

Has anyone tried Reiki? Could you tell me a little bit about it?

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genug · 15/06/2012 16:46

I don't get what the charging part has to do with the discussion. I go to a hair salon and pay £100, and the reason why I stay with one cutter is about confidence. Obviously if I don't like it I can either not cut my hair or cut it myself or go elsewhere. The fact that there is an "explosion" of people offering reiki can only be good financially as that will allow us to decide who to pay and how much, depending on whether we prefer them.

We choose doctors, engineers, architects, plumbers, builders, lawyers, various agents, and nobody complains that any of these entire occupations is made up of charlatans. We even present outselves for yoga and massage while saying it's mumbo jumbo but pay for it all the same. Surely you're paying for the time of the person, whether they're cutting hair or prescribing medicines or doing a bit of surgery or carpentry or laying their hands on you? It's something you have a choice about.

When someone is out of sorts and there are no medicines for them, mentioning that the homeopathic outlet in the next block could improve their quality of life. That includes young babies, who are often very tetchy around vaccination time. My own were treated to breast milk "spiked" with various expensive woo in preparation for jab time. Do people expect they should get this stuff for free? They must be the same intelligent people who think the NHS is free. Or is the money aspect of it another way of bad mouthing something we don't entirely understand? How about the serious money spent on experimental Physics to test all those fancy ideas about? Is it less woo because the people who thought it up are in shorter supply due to higher barriers to entry? Just wondering, that's all.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 15/06/2012 16:52

I think the money thing is more of a "value" issue. Yes, we pay people to operate on us and keep us on the right side of the law, and we pay them highly because they have spent years training to be able to help us. In the case of Reiki, dh went from nothing to Level 3 master in the space of a weekend, for free... It really is just a bit of handwaving, so charging anything over £10 or maybe £20 an hour (covering the costs of the comfortable table, heating, lighting etc) is unjustifiable.

And when practitioners charge significantly over that and claim they're "healing", and if they start to prey on people who are genuinely ill, it starts to look thoroughly unethical too.

comfortmewithapples · 15/06/2012 16:58

Does your dh actually do it, OldLady?

I am joking around about reiki, but actually if one of my dc were being operated on and there was nothing else I could do, and I had been attuned, damn right I would be sending them reiki healing. And I would be sincere about it, too. I would also pray to God. And mean it.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 15/06/2012 17:00

He does massage therapy and reiki (if wanted) as a sort of hobby, trading with other therapists mainly.

And I understand about the "no atheists in a foxhole" thing. When you're desperate, you'll try anything.

comfortmewithapples · 15/06/2012 17:11

That's the only way I've ever had reiki - I've never paid for it, but always accept it if offered by someone treating me in some other way. I have had really good effects from an acupuncturist who was something of a legend for treating infertility.

The only thing about doing it that way is that you don't know whether your symptoms have gone because of the massage/acupuncture, or whether it was at least partly linked to the reiki.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 15/06/2012 17:14

Don't think it really matters, as long as you feel better.

DH offered his services to a Catholic friend recently, she was horrified and regards it like witchcraft! Grin

comfortmewithapples · 15/06/2012 17:14

Nah, it's all part of the God thing. Wink

comfortmewithapples · 15/06/2012 17:19

I think Genug's got a point about fees, too. It's certainly not much different from paying a therapist, is it, if you come out of the session feeling better, and with an improved perspective on your place in the world?

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 15/06/2012 17:28

As I said, I've no objection to reasonable fees, "feeling good" is something we value and regardless of whether that "good feeling" comes from a deity, the universe or a relaxing hour being attended to, paying an appropriate fee is fine. But where those fees are bumped up by a practioner of woo which has been shown to be no better than a placebo, and where said practioner makes claims greater than that, well, that's where I get cross.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 15/06/2012 17:30

(And I'm deliberately avoiding the comments about expensive homeopathy, because that's another issue all together, and may set off a bit of ranting.)

comfortmewithapples · 15/06/2012 17:47

I've just been mulling over expensive psychotherapy, which is also controversial, and can indeed be extremely harmful if you are lured into the consulting room of a charlatan.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 15/06/2012 17:52

Suppose it depends on the variety of psychotherapy, and whether it has been proven to work in cases such are presenting. But I really know next to nothing about the topic.

It's interesting how much our brains control our physical well-being, isn't it?

comfortmewithapples · 15/06/2012 18:00

Yes, that would be a good topic for research.

But not very profitable.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 15/06/2012 18:03

Don't universities research the topic? Perhaps the psychology departments? There must be some studying going on, otherwise we wouldn't have the reiki/placebo information.

Grin
comfortmewithapples · 15/06/2012 18:11

There's always the military aspect - mind control..........actually it was because of the Cold War that a lot of pysch research was done. To beat the Russkies (at their own sinister, chess-fiend game).

CoteDAzur · 15/06/2012 18:42

There is also the comical value of grown adults calling their imaginary friends, making shapes in the air and blowing on each other's heads.

comfortmewithapples · 15/06/2012 19:09

I think oxytocin could be the healing factor involved in reiki.

CoteDAzur · 15/06/2012 19:18

Oh please. You are clutching at straws now. Orgasms have healing powers, do they?

If oxytocin had healing powers, ravers and clobbers popping Ecstacy pills every weekend would be the healthiest people on the earth. Quite the opposite. QED.

Xenia · 15/06/2012 19:53

And I have even sold expensive life coaching although apparently I was very helpful.

I certainly agree that oxytocin is a major part of a lot of these things. It's why walking outside, sex, breastfeeding etc make you happy. However you have to get the balance right. For happiness you need the correct balance of chemicals in the brain, just just huge sugar or drugs spike and then a crash.

Comic effects - yes laughter makes people feel good too. So does just being with and talking to someone else. Old people living alone who have a pet or go out and meet others are a lot happier.

On the matter of who can do what certain things anyone can do - life coaching, laying on of hands , therapist etc. Some job titles only qualified people may use - doctor, nurse, solicitor, barrister etc. Everyone is subject to 2008 regulations which say you must not engage in misleading advertising in effect so you cannot say we will put you in touch with your dead father or cure your cancer unless you are sure that you can and if you get it wrong it is criminal offence. The AS has had a huge number of complaints by good scientists cross about the rubbish claims by the nutty alternative people offering often for quite high sums supposed healing. We certainly need to protect the vulnerable.

There was someone who died of cancer - was it Karon keating - her mother is quite famous too. I forget the names. Verty sad, had young children, married etc. She spent the year before she died going all over the planet trying masses of alternative treatments. She spent about £1m on it the press said. Her money. Her choice and manyo f us would rather go down fighting trying all conventional and alternative things than just relying on one route.

FlamingoBingo · 15/06/2012 20:08

There's an awful lot of unkindness going on on this thread Sad

Personally I'd rather communicate with open-minded, open-hearted, compassionate and loving people who believe in stuff that science hasn't proved than with hard-nosed scientists who like to ridicule and sneer at people who have a faith.

Can you really not see how unpleasant it is to be so sneering - the poster who said 'wow! a whole new section of MN to come and debunk!' - how unkind, and intolerant!

Xenia · 15/06/2012 21:22

Not all women are bleeding heart numpties who believe whatever rubbish is peddled at them whilst preaching peace and love. We are a mixed bag and hopefully the rationalists and scientists win out as ever. The ones conned into believing rubbish need a kind of weekend camp such as they have for those kidnapped out of cults to be reconditioned back to normal life.

The suggestion that all women have to be lovey dovey and nice all the time is of the reasons women are kept down and fail to achieve power and their full potential as achievers. Instead they sit at home looking at tarot cards or laying hands on each other.

seeker · 15/06/2012 22:27

There is a big difference between believing in stuf that science hasn't proved yet, and insisting on believing in stuff that science has positively disproved.

comfortmewithapples · 15/06/2012 23:41

I agree with Xenia re oxytocin. Grin

comfortmewithapples · 16/06/2012 00:14

Also Xenia's example of life coaching is pertinent. You can pay £75 for 50 minutes of that. Shock And, as another poster put it recently on another thread, many life coaches are pretty hatstand. And it's done on the phone - they don't even get out of their straitjacket pyjamas to do it.

Xenia · 16/06/2012 06:35

(£240 an hour by skype was mine and she thought it well worth the price)

(Typo of mine above - I did not mean we want people on sugar highs and then crashes. I meant the opposite - have balanced good nutrition which balances your brain chemicals - seratonon levels etc and makes you feel happy.)

On hourly rates people are worth what the market will bear as long as untrue claims are not made. In my work I can give brief advice which saves someone millions.

Anyway the main thing is that if mumsnetters are living in a culture or near a group of friends who all think these alternative things are proven that they realise they aren't and go at them with an open mind and not waste money they don't have when a walk in the park or chat to a friend could do them just as much good and not cost a penny.