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Reiki

542 replies

Fanatic · 06/06/2012 15:30

Has anyone tried Reiki? Could you tell me a little bit about it?

OP posts:
comfortmewithapples · 16/06/2012 09:22

£240 an hour for life coaching... as you say, people are worth what the market will bear. Maybe depressed people could just be told by the government that they are worth £500 an hour, and that would be enough to act as a cure. Grin

Selks · 16/06/2012 15:15

Jesus. I'm in the wrong job! Grin

Xenia · 16/06/2012 21:44

I am priceless, beyond the worth of rubies.. laughing as I type. I only charged that because it's what I charge elsewhere so I suppose I regard it as roughly what my time might be worth. The person was happy to pay it and I suspect she got value at higher than that amount. It is an interesting issue how you decide how to charge for things.

It is a feminist issue really . Far far too many teenage girls make very very low paid career choices in their teens and have no idea how mcuh more they might earn had they made a more sensible choice and their parents do not always tell them although I suppose there is nothing to stop them going on the internet to check. In my teens (no internet then) I got a book from thel ibrary on what people earn as I wanted to buy an island later so earning levels mattered to me. I would still though hope that in my 50s I could earn a lot more. It's fun.

sciencelover · 16/06/2012 22:01

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comfortmewithapples · 16/06/2012 23:21

It wasn't till I married dh and saw the vast amount he could charge for an hour of his time that I had the chutzpah to do the same. (For a highly regulated professional skill, I should add, in case anyone still thinks I do any kind of reiki myself.) I knew I was better than him.

rockinhippy · 16/06/2012 23:44

I'm another who has had it done & it worked, that was despite it being free & my thinking the big burly Northern bloke who did it was having a laugh- so no placebo effect here - I did believe in stuff like that, even back then, but he just wasn't what I expected from a therapistConfused - I ended up having to go back & see him the next day as I came up with a rash over my kidney - he said it was okay, that he felt a problems there & the rash was the toxins leaving my body, drink lots of water & it would go in an hour or so - he was right, I did have a diagnosed kidney problem & it dis clear up within an hour

I was so impressed I went & got myself attuned a few years back, so I'm Reiki 1 - however I had such a freakish experience that is put me off & I've shied awey from it since :(

seeker · 16/06/2012 23:58

What an incredibly irresponsible thing to say!

Xenia · 17/06/2012 06:52

This thing about toxins is simply not true which so many of these alternative people say. We have a liver. It is what removes things. That statement alone should make people take a lot of care. A sudden rash could be all kinds of things and not to tells someone to see a doctor. Usually they say tha anyway to cover their back in case they are sued. They rarely have professional indemnity insurance so if you have to sue them for damage you may get no money , not that that's any comfort if you're permanently damaged.

FlamingoBingo · 17/06/2012 07:00

It's not only women who are 'lovely dovey' and believe in being better people beyond anything else. I agree that stupidly vast sums of money are spent on things that I wouldn't part with my money for, but I accept the belief systems of those who, for instance, think it will make their lives better to buy a Hermes handbag, or a pair of Jimmy Choos, or even a massive house or countless holidays in the Bahamas.

I think it's silly and unhelpful to the peace the world deserves, but I try to focus more on not making that judgement because I know that, in truth, it's judgement and intolerance that creates wars and poverty and depression, not Jimmy Choos, or Reiki.

The things some of you are trying to debunk usually help people to become better people. They help connect people with their higher selves, the bit of them that isn't dragged down by ego, judgement, lack of compassion and self-love. They're the sort of things that makes the Mandelas, the Ghandis, the Ammas of the world.

I also believe, however, in the 'don't pay to pray' principle, and struggle with the vast sums of mine that change hands in the name of anything - fashion or spirituality. Both systems exploit people when in the hands of unawakened, unwhole people.

I reject the premise of anyone who intolerably and unkindly tramples all over another person's beliefs and choices, particularly if those beliefs and choices are leading them to be better, more conscious people, which will ultimately make the world a better, more conscious world.

However it works, whether it's universal life force, God, or simply the 'placebo effect' - whatever you want to believe - the point is that reiki, yoga, meditation, pagan ritual, prayer, shamanic drum journeys, Any activity with a spiritual base, has changed many, many people's lives. And not just the lives of those who subscribe to them.

My daily practice of yoga, meditation and prayer has changed the energy/atmosphere in our household completely to be one of more peace and more unconditional love and compassion. The women's circles I have sat in where we have chanted to evoke the aspects of the Goddesses that are within us all - whether that's on an actual or simply an archetypal level - have changed how I feel about myself so deeply that I have emerged from twenty-plus years of debilitating depression and anxiety into what feels like my first ever spring.

My husband's experience of reiki has taught him ways of coping with his own negative feelings about himself, with his self-doubt and low self-esteem, and with the negativity of others, so that he now comes home from work calm, peaceful and truly in his power, rather than stressed, tired and full of migraines.

Does being sneering and patronising actually make you feel pleasant? Does it fill you up with joy and peace? Or does it create an unpleasant feeling of one-upmanship, or smugness? Do your go away from these posts feeling at peace with yourself, or have you simply strengthened your ego's sense of vanity and judgementalness?

That is my point about who I would rather communicate with. Yes, the vast sums of money exchanged issues a big one, but not one limited to the holistic therapies - we're told hourly by adverts on the tv, the computer, by the road in magazines and newspapers, and by people who seem to have it all, celebrities etc. that spending vast sums of money on shoes, cars, mobile phones etc. will make us happy...how is that different to the peddling of alternative therapies?

Both are lies if you need to part with a lot of cash for them. What is true, however, is that holistic therapies and belief systems have far more power to heal as they focus on the truth of what's really deep down. When peddled by people asking for more payment than they need to earn a modest living, then I think it doesn't lead to the same awakening, but by someone who asks for donations to cover costs, or to help them survive financially, or who offers energy exchange as a way of paying, then truly that can only make positive changes in people's lives and even in the world, and your lack of compassion and tolerance does the opposite - it makes the world a more destructive, intolerant, dangerous place.

MooncupGoddess · 17/06/2012 10:42

That is a really good post, Flamingo.

But I would add that the claims some (not all) alternative therapies/therapists make, as well as the fees they charge, are profoundly unethical. If all of these therapies advertised the results you say - relaxation, acceptance, in touch with your deeper self, and so on - then that would be absolutely fair enough.

But when you have seen (as I have) alternative therapists promise healing to people affected by incurable and progressive diseases, and you have seen the cost to those sufferers' lives in time, money, and most of all hope - it is very hard not to be angry,

seeker · 17/06/2012 10:57

I think what makes the world a better place is people understanding it- or at least trying to understand it. And not allowing ourselves to be fed bullshit by con artists. And saying that we have to accept and respect everyone's views, however harmful and or devoid of logic is really not good for society. Good manners are essential. But that doesn't mean we can't challenge or question or disagree.

comfortmewithapples · 17/06/2012 11:11

Bullying people off a thread is wrong in any sane person's book.

seeker · 17/06/2012 11:21

Have I missed something? Was someone bullied off this thread?

comfortmewithapples · 17/06/2012 11:27

Where's the OP?

comfortmewithapples · 17/06/2012 11:34

Where are CodeBrown, Cockneydad, MrDarcyPhwoar, marshmallowpies, Toodaloo, Pugmummy? They all spoke in favour of reiki on the very first page of this thread. Why do you imagine they are not still engaged in the discussion? Could it be that they don?t like being sneered at and ridiculed?

comfortmewithapples · 17/06/2012 11:35

And LynetteScavo. She's also on the first page.

seeker · 17/06/2012 11:38

So because they aren't on the thread you are assuming they've been bullied off the thread? Hmm

comfortmewithapples · 17/06/2012 11:39

I think it would show respect if you read the first two pages of the thread and had a think about whether their views on reiki were treated with respect by CoteDAzur.

comfortmewithapples · 17/06/2012 11:41

And whether the first two pages of this thread are an example of good manners.

genug · 17/06/2012 11:52

IMHO there was quite some hounding going on up thread, though I expect more than one party will feel they had to read repetitive posts of that sort!

The paying thing reminds me about a class I attended. Another participant came to me at the end (maybe I have the strictly business type look) and complained that the "teacher" was getting in the habit of doing less than the published slot - due to starting later from people coming in dribbles. When I asked her if she got what she wanted from the class, she was visibly taken aback. My point is you feel something is of value if it gives you what you want. If you want 60 minutes, then anything else will make you feel short-changed or bonus-struck. If you wanted time to release muscles or mental tension, then 30 minutes may do it or 100 minutes may not.

If I could afford something and it was not being offered elsewhere, and "needed" it, then I would pay for it. If it did not work, I would not pay again. I find that no different from paying someone hundreds of thousands for advice as to how to avoid someone else taking advantage of me contractually. One has direct effect and the other is to prevent being damaged, so arguably even more woo. Fees are what a client is prepared to pay. I would be equally questioning of maybe attempts to scupper the supplier by those who cannot or will not pay. This strange "moral superiority" argument litters the schooling threads, but apparently not when buying beauty products or holidays or houses. Human behaviour is endlessly fascinating.

comfortmewithapples · 17/06/2012 11:58

Yes, moral superiority is a good phrase. My main beef is that people with different beliefs shouldn't be treated as morally inferior, generally speaking; although I do ardently believe there should be no platform for fascists, as I said upthread.

genug · 17/06/2012 11:59

If I remember, the next time I see my patient who appears to have a thriving reiki etc business, I shall ask him why he's doing so well when it's available so widely and free from charges. I'd have thought where he practices, his clientele must be pretty intelligent and well-educated, but perhaps they're all just rich and thick.

CoteDAzur · 17/06/2012 12:20

Fgs, comfort. If you see a post you think is oh so terribly disrespectful, report it. If not, stop banging on about "respect for views".

Especially when those "views" you are talking about are actual scientific matters that some people completely misunderstood, not opinions about arts and music, for example.

Xenia · 17/06/2012 13:17

Hang on it is not just different beliefs though and there are different types of these things. Sitting still and relaxing which is what a lot of this stuff is, is very good for people. So is eating healthy food.

Sticking a crystal over somenoe's tummy and telling them it will extract toxins or cancer is in a different league. That kind of thing which is medical rubbish also might have a placebo effect and of course people can try what they like but under the law the claims made must be provable otherwise its unfair advertising and people are misled. We jail people in the UK who make untrue claims.

Also some people believe things which aer not true and as we happen toh ave fre speech in the UK we are perfectly allowed to say to them eg the scientologists are wrong and you are not descended from a bunch of thetans from outer space or whatever.

comfortmewithapples · 17/06/2012 13:20

I think the issue is: Should there be no platform on MN for people who say they have benefitted from reiki sessions?

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