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Hallelujah He is Here - Chataway

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DutchOma · 19/01/2012 17:24

Well here you are then Smile I don't post often, but just to save Nickel a job...

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MaryBS · 28/04/2012 19:47

Just been to the Cathedral for the Awards evensnog and to see DD get her bit of bling! :o May post up pictures on FB later!

Due to other commitments I've not been able to make MP at the Cathedral for the past few weeks - and tonight the precentor came up to me and asked if everything was OK as I'd been missed! Aw! Blush

nickelhasababy · 30/04/2012 13:41

saw the pics on FB Grin
well done to your DD!

I had lovely images in my head of DD rising through the ribbons as a very early age. Grin

madhairday · 30/04/2012 14:55

Ah lovely pics Mary. I'm kind of sad my dc haven't done that as I remember the pride of getting the ribbons etc. nickel your dd will have the best chance with her parents! :)

Not too well again but better enough to get on puter today. was in bed for weekend and felt grot.

Hope everyone is OK. Panda, hope you're enjoying the new house :)

MaryBS · 30/04/2012 15:49

:) Hope you feel better soon MHD, loved your blog! Nickel, the youth choir leader's daughter has her light blue medal already, and she's only 7 I think. But then she was writing music before she could write :o!

DD took her medal to school today, to show it off, and she wore it proudly in church yesterday, although she made the mistake of talking loudly (so the choir director could hear) about how she was going to wear both her medals, rather than just the bronze award (they're only allowed to wear one, otherwise they clank).

PandaG · 30/04/2012 20:27

Friend is indeed one to keep hold of - she is Godmother to DS, and I am Godmother to her DD. Much appreciated! We are loving our new house, already had 2 lots of overnight visitors, and my parents are coming on Wednesday 'til Sunday!

Off to plan more Ikea purchases to create storage for our clutter!

nickelhasababy · 01/05/2012 12:11

yeah, DD will beat her. Wink

It's a bit mean only allowing her to wear one!
(on this occasion I mean - not every time - there would be chaos!)

madhairday · 01/05/2012 12:24

Panda enjoy your Ikea trip, our house is kitted out in the stuff Grin

nickel do you have ambitions for dd to become the youngest child to get a rscm medal? Grin

nickelhasababy · 01/05/2012 12:47

ooh, that's an idea! Grin

Thought she could be the youngest person to enter the KCOA Young Organist award.

MaryBS · 01/05/2012 15:29

Happy birthday nickel :o

madhairday · 01/05/2012 15:40

Happy Birthday nickel!

Flowers [tea] Wine Biscuit

The biscuit is cake really Grin

madhairday · 01/05/2012 15:41

Oh I am so crap at this

Thanks Brew Wine Biscuit

nickelhasababy · 01/05/2012 16:10

thank you!
that's so sweet Thanks

i feel very touched today by the number of birthday wishes Grin

gingercurl · 01/05/2012 17:37

Is it your birthday, Nickel? Many happy returns! BrewThanksCake

thanksamillion · 01/05/2012 17:49

Happy birthday nickel!

Am very Envy at the Ikea trip. I LOVE Ikea but our nearest one is Bucharest which is a good 6 or 7 hours drive away. That's too far even for me!

nickelhasababy · 02/05/2012 13:31

thanks :)

i love talk of furniture Grin
(feel guilty for not commenting)

madhairday · 03/05/2012 15:33

Hello :)

We're playing with this idea and wondered what you think. A local business has a room for hire and can be hired for say one afternoon a week. we are wondering about the possibility of hiring it for some kind of service to the community such as a listening ear, place to ask questions, counselling/direction, prayer space etc etc - all aimed at those of any or no faith (for those who don't know dh is an ordained c of e priest, a pioneer minister which means we are finding new ways to set up/be church in our community) - so being upfront about dh being a Rev, and giving a neutral space for people to talk? Would this work do you think at all, or turn people off, or be a non starter? Or any other ideas? We're not at all sold on it, just considering pros and cons and ideas and would value any you lot can throw into the mix :)

DutchOma · 03/05/2012 15:50

We had a space next to the church which we set up as a coffeeshop. Was open every day and never attracted many visitors. We changed it to a charity shop where coffee was served, still being open every day and the place is buzzing. We have now expanded it to a place where people can have emergency food and help of a practical and spiritual nature. Having it for just an afternoon a week seems a bit pointless.
The charity shop pays for itself and makes a profit, basically because we don't have to pay any rent or electricity etc, all that comes from the church and all stock is donated. We pay a manager and an assistant manager, both part time and the place is still buzzing.
It is an amazing success story.

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nickelhasababy · 03/05/2012 16:11

it is a good idea.
dunno about it only being for 1 afternoon a week, but i'm sure if it was well publicized it wouldn't be problem.

We've got a local community cafe in our town which works well for things like that :)

nickelhasababy · 03/05/2012 16:12

and what Oma said

thejaffacakesareonme · 03/05/2012 16:18

I think it is a good idea. I think it might encourage people who would maybe not want to go into a church building. It was only fairly recently that it dawned on me that churches don't always hold positive associations for some folk and that some people avoid them because they remind them of funerals.

madhairday · 03/05/2012 17:55

That's it jaffa. A lot of people are turned off church for various reasons.

DO that's good. This however is a back room in a local business so not suitable for a cafe/shop scenario. Quite a small room - could have 3 or 4 chairs - so more a listening/direction type space.

The 1 afternoon a week thing would have to be due to cost atm - no funds for more - but could be expanded I guess if it takes off.

If we did do something, how would we publicise it? Do leaflets through doors work any more or go straight in the recycling as ours do ?

nickelhasababy · 04/05/2012 12:55

okay, do this as a start - maybe look out for a local cafe that has a bit of space you can use.
maybe after hours?

It's always worth doing it in a cafe, because you can ask them to use their space in exchange for people buying drinks/food. It pays for itself in theory.

with leaflets - they have an expediency of 3 in a 1000. :(
you need to put posters up around town, have it on your website, put it on events websites and get a free editorial in your local paper

(invite a reporter and photographer to your first one)

MaryBS · 04/05/2012 15:22

MHD Something I've thought of doing is offering a debt counselling service. There's a church in our diocese that does this and also offer to train others to do the same...

Tuo · 06/05/2012 00:05

I like Oma's idea. I think that the beauty of it is that it doesn't put the people you're trying to get to come in into a position of vulnerability before they start. I know that's not what you're wanting to do... I'm not explaining it well... What I mean is that if people are a bit scared of the whole idea of 'church' or 'religion' then they might well feel doubly scared about going to see a member of the clergy with their 'issues' or problems... (they might feel that it would be used as an opportunity to preach at them about where they've gone wrong, rather than to help, iyswim), whereas the people going into Oma's shop are in a position of relative strength - they feel as if they are the ones doing the helping, rather than asking for help.

I don't know... Now that I've written this down, I can see the flaws in what I am saying. I know that people, say, in hospital open up to chaplains in useful ways even if they are not normally church-goers. But it's about getting people through your door, isn't it? I would try maybe a cafe or maybe a book swap type thing (sorry Nickel... don't want to put you out of business Wink) to get the people in first. But, who knows... maybe people would come if you could offer something that they thought would be useful. (In the current climate, debt counselling would be really useful, I'd have thought.) Any possibility of doing something in partnership with other groups locally (CAB, any local charities, etc.)?

Good luck!

Can I ask, on a different subject, if anyone has any experience of 'tween' (hate that term, but hey ho... will use it as shorthand) Bibles? Was thinking of getting one for dd2 (who's 10) for her confirmation... I've been looking at the IShine Tween Bible and the Kids' Life Application Bible... Any knowledge of either of these? Mary? (I think your dd is a year older then my dd2, isn't she?) I want a 'proper' Bible, not a 'children's Bible' kind of thing (with just a collection of the obvious stories). Oh, and I am of a (very) liberal persuasion, so anything that suggests that gay people/single mothers/divorcees/whatever will burn in Hell would not be my style. (Not sure if such a thing exists - would like to hope it doesn't, but (a) I have spent some time in the US, and (b) I did see something on Amazon that rang some alarm bells...)

MaryBS · 06/05/2012 07:33

DD has got the NCV Youth bible, because that is what they use at church. I keep meaning to check out the "life applications" to see what they say, but the translation itself is reasonable enough...

www.amazon.co.uk/NCV-YOUTH-BIBLE-PURPLE-COVER/dp/0718027736/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336285934&sr=8-1