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Graham, Gloria and Gossip! Religion Chat thread (part 4)

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nickelbabe · 06/08/2011 11:52

I know we've not officially finished the last one, but I wanted to get the link in before we ran out of room!

Everyone welcome - the aim of this thread is to generally chat about church life, or just gossip in general!
You don't have to be a regular church-goer, nor do you have to know what we're going on about!
It's not about debate, it's just about chatting
:)

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ZipadiSoozi · 02/09/2011 20:03

Yuhoo!!!!!! Grin

nickelbabe · 03/09/2011 12:10

you've been away, Soozi - how did it all go? Grin
Hope you feel relaxed now! Wink

a holiday would be great, but can't. :(

We started back at choir last night - DH has taken over the Junior choir on his own now (i've been ordered to take it easy now because of "stress"), and it felt very weird not being there for it. I was able to sit next to JC for the adult part of the practice, though, so I didn't miss out toooo much.
I still made DH a lesson plan (cos now he's worrying about being stressed over it all!), and it was odd not delivering it.
I can't seem to let go of it! GrinConfused

Also, we're doing Pitoni's Cantate Domino on Sunday morning - the last time we did it, it was at a village church Harvest service, and we ^mucked it up something chronic* - the organ wasn't loud enough (that might have been my fault for setting the swell wrongly....Blush ), and the sops couldn't get their note (well, i got mine, but everyone else sang something different and my nerves meant I couldn't keep my note, so I followed everyone else Blush )
anyway, so we're doing it this week, and I'm really, really worried about it. :(

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DutchOma · 03/09/2011 13:23

I'm sure it will be fine Nickel. I don't know that work at all, but I know the feeling of everybody else singing something different to what you are doing, usually my fault.
We are practising for the Free Church Choir Festival on the 15th October in St Albans with a Midland practice at our church next Saturday. There are things in the book that we haven't even looked at, let alone have any idea how to sing. Not easy things either.

nickelbabe · 03/09/2011 13:27

it's easier when it's a huge choir singing together though, isn't it!
I think that's easier than only 4 voices trying to get the right note! Grin

and you usually have quite an indepth rehearsal for those choir festivals.
you'll love it - the ones I've done have been amazing

(have you done one before?)

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DutchOma · 03/09/2011 13:36

Oh yes, this is the fourth big one I've been too. There is one every two years in a cathedral and one in the year between in some big church. Tha last one was in Coventry and then we had a singing workshop in Loughborough. I'm hoping that one of the other choirs has practised the one we haven't.
For some of the music we have just done the parts and not got the whole thing together (bit of Haydn's Creation) and yes, it will be easier when there are more people around.
What do you think AIBU to like standing next to the same two people so you know where their strength and weakness lies as well as your own? People seem to think that you should be able to sing anywhere, and move you around according to height, which I find very hard.

nickelbabe · 03/09/2011 13:54

well, technically, you should be able to sing anywhere - then you're working on your strengths and weaknesses (and eliminating your weaknesses, whic hcan only be a good thing!).
If you always tend to stand next to the same people, you will never improve, and it'll be harder when suddenly they're not there, or you're on your own for some reason.

I did fall fowl of that trap quite a few times, and found that it took me a long time to be confident in my own voice.
I noticed it a lot in the other singers too.
In our choir, it's much, much better not to stand next to a specific person too often.
we have an ex-professional singer who when she messes up, so does everyone else, regardless of how well they know the piece,
a tenor who cannot sing his own part - always deviates to the treble line when singing in harmony (not even following his own rhythm!),
another tenor who is brilliant, but has recently left us, meaning the other tenors are left floundering (ie they daren't sing stuff even that they know, especially exposed parts)
other sopranos who sing rather quietly, and when the afore-mentioned sop isn't there, it sounds like they daren't sing anything.
then you've got me, who is really unsure of her voice, and thinks it sounds dreadful, but has to sing up to encourage the others to sing a bit more self-suredly, and ends up being the loudest on the recording Blush (which is fine when I get it right, but when I get it wrong BlushBlushBlush )

so, yep, I subscribe to the practice of moving around regularly to help your own strengths and weaknesses .
John Bertalot suggests this very strongly in his books, too.

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nickelbabe · 03/09/2011 13:54

oops, that was longer than i meant it to be! Grin

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nickelbabe · 03/09/2011 13:57

like, last night, we were learning some new stuff, with exposed men parts, so I was helping along by singing the tenor part (more voices gives confidence to those unsure - in my old choir, we were all encouraged to learn all the parts when they were done on their own- that also helps you with your own part), anyway, when the treble line came in, i carried on singing the tenor line - i know my notes weren't always perfect, but I did notice that the tenors were singing notes and rhythms that did not appear in their own line! Shock
it was an eye-opener - they deviated to the treble line in notes and rhythm, every time. It felt very strange - singing as close to the tenor line as poss while the tenors merrily sang the soprano part! Grin

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DutchOma · 03/09/2011 14:19

I suppose...my voice is very thin, but I can get up quite high. Discovered this when we were practising Mendelsohn's Hymn of Praise with just a few people, just two I think with a keyboard. It goes up to a b flt, which I sang and then thought that the keyboard was tuned lower than a regular piano, so I took a tuning fork to it and it was dead right. But I can't do it without support. Maybe I cannot do it at all and it is just the accompaniment that plays it.

nickelbabe · 03/09/2011 14:28

mine sounds very weedy up high - it depends on volume too.
I find that if i'm exposed, i sing a lot weedier than if i'm with others, or even accompaniment.
there arne't many people who can hit a really high note without feeling nervous about it! Grin

(best to practise on your own with a piano, that one!)

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DutchOma · 03/09/2011 14:47

Haven't got a piano, but I see what you mean.

nickelbabe · 03/09/2011 14:49

i can definitely sing higher when I'm taking junior choir Grin

I can get to C or D, but when I then sing with the rest of the choir, it falters down to the B.
it's weird Confused

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madhairday · 05/09/2011 13:08

Hello

I am also weedy on the upper notes. I am a natural alto and always find an alto line in whatever we are singing as it feels so much more comfortable for me. I can still just about do those christmas carol descants if I'm feeling strong but they are hard!!

Got the licensing tomorrow, and dc started school today, so all feeling so strange...just doing a prayer video for the licensing.

nickelbabe · 05/09/2011 13:12

it's rare for an alto to be able to get that high, so I'm impressed! Grin

oooh, you must be getting so nervous now!

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madhairday · 05/09/2011 13:15

I can get that high but it sounds pretty crap, so I wouldn't be too impressed Grin

Yes am nervous and a bit sad today too.

nickelbabe · 05/09/2011 13:15

why are you sad?

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madhairday · 05/09/2011 15:43

Sad because I miss my friends and it's so hard walking into a playground full of people I don't know. I've forgotten how to start with it all - keep telling myself I made some v good friends in stoke so just need to get on with it really.

nickelbabe · 05/09/2011 15:43

ah.
:)

you'll make friends soon enough. and your old friends are all still there for you! :)

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DutchOma · 05/09/2011 15:44

I can understand sad:- end of everything and new not quite yet established. It soon will be and you will be so full of it that you won't have time for sad.

madhairday · 05/09/2011 15:48

aw thanks :)

thanksamillion · 05/09/2011 18:20

hugs from here too! Will be thinking about you with the licensing tomorrow. How did you decide to do it in the end?

Going back to the singing, I sang in church on Sunday evening - on my own, unaccompanied Shock. There's a section in the service when the kids sing, the youth sing and the ladies group sing, and other people can too but only very rarely do. So I decided to take the plunge! I had shaky legs by the end as I hate 'performing' but people said they enjoyed it Smile

DutchOma · 05/09/2011 20:04

Well done Milly

nickelbabe · 06/09/2011 10:49

ooh, milly you are brave! Grin
well done!

mhd - good luck tonight, have fun and don't worry about it all! :)

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madhairday · 06/09/2011 12:29

oh well done milly! :)

Am looking forward to tonight. We basically wrote the service as there are hardly any models of pioneer minister licensing services around and the traditional anglican vicar licensing wouldn't suit the context at all (eg churchwardens welcoming etc, hard when there aren't any!!) We have a worship band from a local big church and we're doing it in the school hall. School head is kindly doing some refreshments - she seems really supportive. So we've written some responses etc for dh that suit the post, still have to do all the oath-y bishop-y bits but not so longwinded, I've done a presentation (good old powerdirector) on the local area for prayer points and we're having some interactive prayer too. Should be good :)

Kids loved school - so happy :)

MaryBS · 07/09/2011 11:29

How did it go, MHD?

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