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Graham, Gloria and Gossip! Religion Chat thread (part 4)

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nickelbabe · 06/08/2011 11:52

I know we've not officially finished the last one, but I wanted to get the link in before we ran out of room!

Everyone welcome - the aim of this thread is to generally chat about church life, or just gossip in general!
You don't have to be a regular church-goer, nor do you have to know what we're going on about!
It's not about debate, it's just about chatting
:)

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DutchOma · 10/11/2011 16:37

Soozi take some kitting, then hide yourself away with it. Sorry to hear you were cold and miserable.

ZipadiSoozi · 10/11/2011 20:47

Sorry, I wasn't miserable, just too quiet and dark, yes organ would have helped tremendously, and we did go to pub afterwards, and DO good idea to take knitting with me xx or my new 'Street Bible' I think its when I am comfronted with questions, my mind goes blank! onwards and upwards christian soldiers! xxxxx

ZipadiSoozi · 10/11/2011 20:48

Aw DO would be lovely if you were with me on Saturday!

ZipadiSoozi · 10/11/2011 20:51

PA - I though about that, but I'd rather spend the day with my beautiful noisy children - but, I will be going so get used to it sooz, I am not one to let a simple challenge in life beat me Hmm (being still with God) I can be noisy with God Grin

DutchOma · 11/11/2011 10:01

I think I would love to be with you, but not if we couldn't talk Smile

nickelbabe · 11/11/2011 10:40

I'm always full of blank answers when I'm asked a question too!
Grin

that's perfectly normal.

With respect to religious beliefs, I believe what I believe and I don't find it easy to express that to anyone else.

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DutchOma · 11/11/2011 10:57

And Soozi just thoiught: it might be easier for God to speak to a blank mind, rather than a busy one, like it is easier to write on a blank piece of paper.

TotallyUnheardOf · 11/11/2011 11:56

Wish I could swap places with you Soozi. I'd love six hours of silence at the moment. Wink Seriously though, you may find it gets easier the longer it goes on, counter-intuitive as that sounds. I was thinking about when (pre-kids) I used to do long journeys on the back of dh's motorbike. At first, not being able to listen to the radio or argue with talk to one another, like you can in the car, is weird and a bit boring. But after a while it becomes easier to just cling on for dear life sit there and let your mind go blank and think random disconnected thoughts and just 'be'. I find it hard to do that in 'real life', but when there is literally nothing else that you can be doing it gradually becomes possible to let go of the invasive everyday thoughts (Have I put the bins out? I'm cold. Must buy milk. That colleague really annoyed me yesterday. I'm really cold. What shall I wear tomorrow? Mustn't forget to hand in DD's school trip money. I'm freezing. Etc. Etc. Etc.). I'm not saying that I necessarily had any huge epiphanies that popped into my brain to fill the space left by all that nonsense, but I don't think that that matters: clearing the space is itself a positive thing. And obviously you're doing this in a specifically religious context, which is very different from sitting on the back of a motorbike.

Also what DutchOma said... in a fraction of the number of words and far more eloquently.

MHD Starting from scratch must be really tough. I am full of admiration for what you are doing there. I have been thinking about this, and I think you probably do need to start by building up the personal contacts first, at least in a small way, and then using them to help you to follow up after any larger events that you can organise. Will you be able to use Christmas (after all, the time of year when people who don't think about it at all between January and November do sometimes turn to the church) as a springboard for some events and maybe reaching out to some new people? Is there any scope for working with schools in the area, perhaps offering to support some of the things they'd be doing anyway for Christmas? What would be good would be to use Christmas as a way of reaching out to a larger number of people, but then having some sort of follow-up in January and February to try to maintain the contact with (some of) those people so that they don't disappear again till next December. What about a post-Christmas unwanted/duplicate present swap party? (This only works if the people don't know one another and are not going to come and try to swap stuff that other people in the room have given them... Get this wrong and it could turn quite nasty Grin) So you invite people to bring along any unwanted or duplicate presents, and for each one they bring they can, if they wish, take away something that someone else has brought. Alternatively they can just donate them (likewise if they don't see anything they like) and afterwards you give them to some local good cause (hospital, etc.). That keeps the Christmas connection, is Christian in a 'caring and sharing' way, and enables you to maintain the connection...

Disclaimer This may be a totally mad idea. This is not really my area of expertise. Feel free to say 'There there TUO!', pat me on the head and shoo me away...!

As you can tell by the length of this essay post, I am doing work-avoidance. Blush

nickelbabe · 12/11/2011 10:32

Quiz nights always work well as events - they're a good plan in Jan/Feb to keep the connection when there's no obvious religious event happening.
People always seem to come out of the woodwork at christmas and easter, because they're the more visible occasions. (well, we'll have to see for christmas this year - i've never seen so few people at midnight mass as we had last year. :( )

On a lovely, positive note!
Our junior choristers (did I tell you we now have 2?) have been driving everyone mad with their finding hymns - basically, they were given the privilege of calling out the hymn numbers in practice, and have abused the position. Instead of looking at the number, announcing it and then finding it, they've been looking for the number and finding it while they're supposed to be singing the previous hymn - So, so many things wrong with that - not only are they cheating (in order to be able to shout "beat you!"), which means they're having an unfair advantage, they're also not doing the job they're paid for (ie singing, and learning the music)
I told DH to give them a final warning on this last night.
I told him to say "This is a warning, there will be no more after this - if you look for the hymn while you're supposed to be singing the previous hymn, the task of calling out he hymns will be taken off you. It's cheating, unfair and unchristian to find the hymns while you're supposed to be singing, and it means that you aren't learning the music, which is what your job is".
And for the first time in god knows how long , they were pretty well-behaved all the way through.

and I was sitting behind them, and I could hear them sing and everything!
It's lovely to have children back in the choir, and ones that are now making an effort to sing the stuff, it's great Grin
(okay, so the new one has only been with us 5 weeks, but it's promising!)

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madhairday · 12/11/2011 16:34

Great ideas TUO and nickel, noted :)

One big problem is nowhere to do anything. zilch community space - no centre whatsoever, so anything on a larger scale will have to be in the school hall, We are getting alongside the school and dh has been invited in for assemblies etc so all good there. we are considering christmas events and wondering about carols round the streets and mulled wine etc, just if anything to almost 'raise the spiritual temperature' in the area and let people know there is something going on.

We could do with a nice community centre I feel, but council don't see the need....but because of that there is hardly any community groups we know of which is a shame.

nickelbabe · 12/11/2011 16:43

maybe you could conduct a massive survey asking people if they felt the need for a community centre and asking what kind of groups would use it?

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MindtheGappp · 12/11/2011 16:51

Your church is so different from mine, Nickelbabe :)

madhairday · 12/11/2011 16:51

Similar has been done nickel, everyone said yes they do but council say no, they will only give funds to poorer areas, tis all new build and land is all sold to developers for more souless boxes houses, no community centre in sight.

nickelbabe · 12/11/2011 16:54

Gappp - howso? :)

mhd - that's the problem with all these new housing estates - they're just thousands of houses - no new doctors, no new shops, no new schools, no infrastructure.

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nickelbabe · 12/11/2011 16:57

(without me ignoring how busy your church sounds from the Vicar thread :) )

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MindtheGappp · 12/11/2011 17:10

I was just thinking that we used to have a couple of young teens in the choir about 15 years ago, but now it is all older people.

Because of our expanding church, we split our main morning service into two congregations and all the families went with the 'music group' service rather than the 'choir' service. Young people don't tend to get involved with leading worship until 16+ unless it is a service run by the Children's and Families worker.

I don't think we lose any teens because of the lack of choir in their service, but it would be nice for them to have an easy way to join the other one (they are welcome in the choir, but the choirmistress doesn't really know them now that her own children are adults and we know that the success of ministries is all down to personal invitations). Miraculously, anyone (with talent) from church family who is still around at 18+ is very eager to be involved in the music group (ah, all those peri lessons that we pay for!).

In my involvement with church, choir is something that happens 3 or 4 times a year. Tomorrow is one of those occassions. We bump up our choir membership for Christmas and Easter each year by inviting 11 o'clockers to join temporarily. This has been running for 3 years now and has been a great success. I am waiting for my invitation :)

ZipadiSoozi · 12/11/2011 17:17

nickelbabe -aw spoil sport, Grin I used to find the next hymn whilst singing the last one (although I did still sing, knew the words off by heart) PAID? - now I never got paid, apart from singing at weddings for 50p, how times have changed!

Returned well rested from the convent, it was everything I expected, right down to a Gong! Nuns walking with their hands in their front hand warmer HmmGrin I thought, if they are going to trip they will bang their noses (always telling my children "never walk with your hands in your pockets" Grin

It was a very old building converted to a convent, so quite modern inside, the chapel was very clinical, white walls and beech pews/seats, managed to catch a 10 minute service which was lovely, but apart from that, sorry to disappoint, I may be in the crowd still waiting to be Baptised for life lived 'in Christ' - although I like to think Jesus is holding my hand guiding me to new pastures! Smile the company was good, the conversation/course was quite stimulating, I definitely would do it again, but I still can't see myself as a 'fully fledged christian' not got my stripes yet! work in progress!

xxx

madhairday · 12/11/2011 17:31

Awww Sooz aren't we all - not sure there's such thing as a fully fledged Christian. You sound like you're on the right road to me and living a life in Christ - nobody said it had to be perfect in every way. Sorry the day wasn't great - but you know it doesn't have to be for everyone, we are all different, my idea of a perfect church event would be nickel's idea of hell Grin and vice versa Grin yet we're both walking that path with Christ :) Don't beat yourself up if you can't find encounter with God in a convent with a bunch of nuns. Keep on walking along :)

Hey nickel I think we should be included in the MN Quiche list, don't you think? Shall I nominate you as our leader seeing as wot you started us up? We're all forgotten about over here.

here Grin

madhairday · 12/11/2011 17:32

...Though actually Sooz it sounds like you got a lot out of it...and sometimes the meeting with God is in the interactions with others as well :)

nickelbabe · 12/11/2011 17:36

yeah, we had just older people in our choir until very recently!
I went on a recruitment drive and got the one last year, then the new one joined this year after being to a few services with his dad (who is a regular congregant)
In fact, it wasn't long ago that our choir was in dire straits - all the children had left (most had grown up and gone to uni, but one family moved away and another one had to stop coming because the new service times clashed with the mums' work - oh, and she couldn't stand the horrid vicar)
in fact, i think a lot of people left because of him.
it's only since he went that we've been able to build again - it seems like a dream at the moment - we've had 2 new members this year, one of which is a lady who can sing contralto (she's properly trained too, so can sight-read)
last night at practice, we had about 16 people there!
the tower was full to bursting!

and all this from a stage where we were convinced we'd have to shut the choir down. (when it was normal only to have 5 or 6 of us at any one time)
it was mainly because we're all stubborn old coots that we've got this far.
(and music groups seem to fall by the wayside - they don't bother showing up to a service, so the organist does the work, then as happened with the evensong week, we just took it back, because there was noone else to do it)

and because of the way knobhead vicar organised the churches, most of the youth go to st mary's, and we're left with the oldies (but we still get all the baptisms Confused )

lots of churches these days do special choirs for the High occasions, so you're not alone.
:)

mhd - it was really annoying some of the older members - the new boy doesn't know the hymns and it kind of encouraged the other one to not pay attention.
we certainly don't want the new boy to think it's a piss of cake. it's a skill for life, and we take it seriously.

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nickelbabe · 12/11/2011 17:36

so nur [tongue]

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nickelbabe · 12/11/2011 17:37

not mhd - soozi !!!! Blush

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madhairday · 12/11/2011 17:39

Uh? I don't think I commented on the hymn book thingy

So what about it, you wanna be quiche leader or wot??

madhairday · 12/11/2011 17:39

oh haha

Grin
DutchOma · 12/11/2011 17:40

MHD What about Section 106 funding, where the developers undertake to put infrastructure in. No doubt they would like to wriggle out of their obligations, maybe they did not undertake for a comunity centre, but if you haven't already done so it might be worth enquiring what their obligations are.