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Any one else mad we've lost sight of the real Christmas?

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slapheadsrock · 04/11/2005 11:21

There are people really hung up already on the trimmings for christmas dinner. Why?
The lights are on already in our town centre. Why?

I'm so fed up that christmas starts earlier and earlier. And do any of the people out there stuffing their faces and houses with things give a second thought to why they are celebrating christmas?

Perhaps this thread will make you think twice this year about what you are really taking part in.

If you are not Jewish, do you celebrate Hannukah?
So why celebrate christmas if you don't believe in Jesus?

Feel better now. Thanks for reading.

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nailpolish · 04/11/2005 11:23

you sound very christian-like

nailpolish · 04/11/2005 11:23

not

Angeliz · 04/11/2005 11:23

grin[ nailpolish

slapheadsrock · 04/11/2005 11:23

Good!!

Proud to be a Princess and a daughter of The King.

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Angeliz · 04/11/2005 11:23
nailpolish · 04/11/2005 11:24

and i am not "hung up"

slapheadsrock · 04/11/2005 11:28

Wasn't talking about you in particular. Did you think I was?
Just life in general.
We are having mega arguements at work over who is working christmas. A new person who is a christian and tried to book two weeks off. NO!!
We work 365 days of the year. She has to get used to it like the rest of us, so it's the usual fight over the christmas rota.

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nailpolish · 04/11/2005 11:31

i know exactly what you mean about working christmas. i am a nurse and i have worked every single christmas nearly since i qualified (12 years ago) and nearly every christmas before that since the age of 14 because i worked in a restaurant but this year im not. should i flog myself instead?

i think you need to get down off your high horse and get into the groove of the christmas spirit

(and it wasnt just co-incidence that you started this thread after posting on mine)

Catbert · 04/11/2005 11:31

OK - should parp myself at this. But what is "tradition"? Traditions evolve and grow over time. Including how we currently celebrate Christmas... This is what I found outlining Christmas and it's evolution, which describes a lot of why we do the things we do at Christmas...
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In the Western world, the birthday of Jesus Christ has been celebrated on December 25th since AD 354, replacing an earlier date of January 6th. The Christians had by then appropriated many pagan festivals and traditions of the season, that were practiced in many parts of the Middle East and Europe, as a means of stamping them out.

There were mid-winter festivals in ancient Babylon and Egypt, and Germanic fertility festivals also took place at this time. The birth of the ancient sun-god Attis in Phrygia was celebrated on December 25th, as was the birth of the Persian sun-god, Mithras. The Romans celebrated Saturnalia, a festival dedicated to Saturn, the god of peace and plenty, that ran from the 17th to 24th of December. Public gathering places were decorated with flowers, gifts and candles were exchanged and the population, slaves and masters alike, celebrated the occasion with great enthusiasm.

In Scandinavia, a period of festivities known as Yule contributed another impetus to celebration, as opposed to spirituality. As Winter ended the growing season, the opportunity of enjoying the Summer's bounty encouraged much feasting and merriment.

The Celtic culture of the British Isles revered all green plants, but particularly mistletoe and holly. These were important symbols of fertility and were used for decorating their homes and altars.

New Christmas customs appeared in the Middle Ages. The most prominent contribution was the carol, which by the 14th century had become associated with the religious observance of the birth of Christ.

In Italy, a tradition developed for re-enacting the birth of Christ and the construction of scenes of the nativity. This is said to have been introduced by Saint Francis as part of his efforts to bring spiritual knowledge to the laity.

Saints Days have also contributed to our Christmas celebrations. A prominent figure in today's Christmas is Saint Nicholas who for centuries has been honoured on December 6th. He was one of the forerunners of Santa Claus.

Another popular ritual was the burning of the Yule Log, which is strongly embedded in the pagan worship of vegetation and fire, as well as being associated with magical and spiritual powers.

Celebrating Christmas has been controversial since its inception. Since numerous festivities found their roots in pagan practices, they were greatly frowned upon by conservatives within the Church. The feasting, gift-giving and frequent excesses presented a drastic contrast with the simplicity of the Nativity, and many people throughout the centuries and into the present, condemn such practices as being contrary to the true spirit of Christmas.

The earliest English reference to December 25th as Christmas Day did not come until 1043

HerRoyalLovlinessMaloryTowers · 04/11/2005 11:33

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aloha · 04/11/2005 11:35

I am a non-Christian who celebrates Christmas.
Christmas existed long before Jesus. It actually is a Pagan festival. A winter festival. It was hijacked by Christians who realised that people would never give up their winter festival so attached it to Christianity. So you could say, why do you celebrate Christmas if you are a Christian?

WigWamBam · 04/11/2005 11:36

Christians nicked Christmas from the pagans anyway ...

Does it matter if people don't celebrate Christmas in the way and for the reasons that you think they should? It means different things to different people. For some people it's just about giving the children a special day, for others it's about giving a little to people less fortunate than themselves. For some it's an excuse to get drunk, for others it's time to spend with their families. We should all celebrate Christmas how we want to, not how someone else thinks we ought to.

slapheadsrock · 04/11/2005 11:36

Hey Nailpolish - snap! I am a nurse too!
I'm not on my high horse - well maybe just a little one. I just hate the fact that it gets so out of hand and huge and the pressures on everyone, when it really doesn't have to be like that.
Just my opinion. (And a rotten night at work!)

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expatinscotland · 04/11/2005 11:36

I love it, too. This will the first Xmas I have gotten to spend w/my family - who live abroad - in 4 years. We're all so excited! Even DD, who is just 2.4, knows something is afoot.

I love baking and cooking and freezing things to bring out as the season approaches, making cards, buying gifts, etc.

It's about family and being grateful to God for all He has blessed us with for us. We are grateful all the time, but even more so this year.

It's about re-inforcing how wonderful the world is to our child. How beautiful most people and animals are.

tiredemma · 04/11/2005 11:36

nailpolish, do you find that you are literally forced to work xmas in nursing, or is it like a rolling rota kind of thing, if you work xmas one year, you may get part of xmas off the next year? that kind of thing.

only reason i ask is im hoping to get into uni next sept to do nursing and want to know kind of how the xmas set up works. ( i have no problems working xmas by the way- only reason i dont now is because our office closes.)

flamesparrow · 04/11/2005 11:38

I'm gonna be grumpy - as a pagan - sod off and get your own festival

slapheadsrock · 04/11/2005 11:39

tiredemma,
we operate on a year on Christmas,the next on at New Year, so that you don't ever work both, just one or the other. Does depend on where you end up working though.

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weesaidie · 04/11/2005 11:39

I just like it. I associate it with seeing friends and family, having a few drinks and a nice meal, and hopefully giving and receiving a few gifts.

So no, it doens't bother me!

nailpolish · 04/11/2005 11:40

hi emma

where i worked everyone got to choose xmas or new year, and i always chose new year (which is bigger with my family round here)

it was first come first served (for example if everyone wanted xmas off there would be names in a hat) but it usually worked out fine for everyone

some places have turn about, some places give priority to those with children (which can be a little unfair imo)

if you do have to work xmas a good idea is to do nightshift, then you can sleep til about 1pm, then get up and enjoy an afternoon with the family and friends and go back to work at night

nailpolish · 04/11/2005 11:42

slapheadsrock - i believe those under pressure for xmas only bring it on themselves.

we are skint and dont spend too much money, presents are not top priority in this house

slapheadsrock · 04/11/2005 11:42

What pictures do you guys buy on yourchristmas cards? (Oh pagan people.) Do you deliberately buy the granny ones with robins and poinsettias?

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slapheadsrock · 04/11/2005 11:43

nailpolish - if you aren't under pressure, then why worry about chrimbo dinner now?!

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slapheadsrock · 04/11/2005 11:44

This is so much fun!!

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flamesparrow · 04/11/2005 11:44

pmsl - I tend to go for snowmen . Or avoid Christmas cards at all costs - I always forget to write and/or post em.

Stupid bloody things - fall off the side and get in the way.

WigWamBam · 04/11/2005 11:44

Mine are Oxfam this year, with a picture of a dove of peace. I'd prefer them to have a picture of Avebury stone circle in the snow, but sadly there aren't too many of those around.

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