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Doxologies, Delirium and Discussion: Religion Chat Thread number 3

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nickelbabyhatcher · 05/04/2011 16:49

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It's basically a "what happened in church/spiritual life/anything else you want to chat about that's vaguely related (or not) to churchy stuff.

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PandaG · 12/05/2011 21:54

wasn't meant to be a brag Blush , but I was pleased! He can be a little so and so however, we certainly haven't got it anything like all right, but I know God can cover and redeem our failings!

DS has just done his SATS, they're having a celebratory picnic tomorrow afternoon. I forgot to buy the food requested (german sausage - each child in his group is bringing food to represent a different country so they decided!) but fortunately DH came to the rescue on his way home!

nickelbabe · 13/05/2011 11:47

of course it wasn't a brag, Panda Grin

It's lovely to hear when children appreciate their parents! (so hoping mine will at some point in their lives....)

Have emailed Messenger to all who asked - anyone else want one, PM me your email address.
:)

MaryBS · 14/05/2011 19:07

LOL Panda!

Have finished my sermon for tomorrow, and checked the notice sheet - its got me down as celebrant at the Eucharist Shock! Have now changed it so it says Officiant at Morning Prayer :o (would it be too cruel of me to say at this particular church, they probably wouldn't know the difference - some of them call me "vicar" anyway!)

PandaG · 14/05/2011 20:07

emotional day today, been to the celebration o fthe life of a 6 yo today. Didn't know the child at all,m but had been in cell group with his mum about 11 years ago, and as a church and a couple we have been praying for him. God didn't heal him here on earth, but we celebrated the fact he is fully healed and fully whole in heaven. DH was doing the visuals, so we were there really early. Was an amzing service, I've never done actions at a thanksgiving or funeral service before, but we sang 'Great Big God' with enthusiasm. I cried a lot too, can't imagine what the parents are going through. Sad

hotcrossSES · 15/05/2011 21:14

Panda - that does sound very tough. I went to the funeral of a 2yo a few years back and the pain on the parents' faces was so raw :(

Nickel - thanks for the copy of "Messenger". I was really impressed as it was much fuller than I thought it would be. A proper magazine :)

We had a good sermon this morning about "Jesus the Shepherd". I'd never thought before about an important role of the Shepherd being that of constantly helping the flock to move to find new pasture so they don't die of starvation. The Shepherds of the church (Jesus/Bishop/Priest/Lay) therefore have an important role of always moving the church forwards.

DutchOma · 15/05/2011 21:23

We had a sermon about the Good Shepherd too. Emlyn Williams from the Scripture Union preached. 18 minutes and he had us spellbound. I can't remember the five points he made, but one of them was, like yours, that He leads from the front and doesn't drive from the back. One of the other points was that He knows His sheep by name.

PandaG · 15/05/2011 21:41

our sermon was very timely today too - on the second beatitude, blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. I thank God that the parents of the child yesterday know Jesus, and know personally the Comforter. I also want to be His arms practically here on earth for them.

thanksamillion · 16/05/2011 07:17

Oh Panda it must be such a difficult time for everyone.

The good shepherd is interesting isn't it - Dutch we had a seminar on that at college, but looking at how in different cultures the image of the shepherd is different and how that impacts on our understanding of the bible. In some cultures the shepherd does drive from the back so the understanding of the image of Jesus as Shepherd is totally different. I think it's really interesting how much our culture informs our reading of the bible.

MaryBS · 16/05/2011 07:31

:( Panda

My sermon looked at the context too - about shepherds leading from the front, and how Jesus referred to 2 types of sheep fold - the first, a communal one where sheep from different flocks mixed and how important it was for the sheep to recognise the shepherd - that one has a gatekeeper. The second is "in situ" as it were, in the hills etc, where there are walls, but no gate, and the shepherd uses his body as the gate. I used William Barclay's commentary on John 10:1-10, as it always explains it so well :)

DutchOma · 16/05/2011 09:19

Also I remember from yesterday's sermon that Jesus addresses his words about the GOOD Shepherd to the Pharisees and how they would immediately have flashbacks to the Old Testament where the prophets fulminated against bad shepherds. So the Pharisees would have heard Jesus say (as no doubt he fully intended) "you are the bad shepherds that come to rob and steal, but I am the Good Shepherd". No wonder they hated him.

nickelbabe · 16/05/2011 10:39

:( Panda's friend.

I can't even remember what our sermon was about - that's why I'm always so grateful for hymns and anthems! I get so much more meaning out of the readings by singing the words than I do out of the sermon (it's not that it's dull, it's mainly that my Junior Chorister talks a lot, and cos we have no Sunday School, he gets bored by the long bit in the middle between the Gospel and the Peace. Grin )

Obviously, the theme yesterday was the Shepherd, so we had:
Faithful Shepherd, feed me
The Lord's My Shepherd (Townend)
The King of love my shepherd is

and we sang Goodall's The Lord's My Shepherd as our Communion Anthem.

I think I got the idea of it, anyway! Grin

hmm, DutchOma - that's interesting about the bad shepherd Pharisees - I would hope that they would have also taken from that, that they could follow him as the good shepherd and put their bad shepherding behind them (oh, I love to oversimplify things....)

madhairday · 16/05/2011 11:47

Panda :( I just can't imagine anything worse than losing a child. Wow at singing GBG at the thanksgiving. What strong brave people the parents are :(

I was doing sunday school yesterday so didn't hear the sermon but I know it was good as dh did it Grin

(we did 'The Lord's my Shepherd' Townend version too nickel)

Tired this morning. Did a lot yesterday and paying for it now. Also worried about DD. She struggles a lot socially at school and seems to be going through a bad time. Also complaining of headaches and tiredness and is grumpy and moody most of the time. Normal for 10 yo probably but feel worried and don't feel I handle it well as her moodiness affects my mood and so on, and it's all the answering back, blaming her brother etc. It's hard going.

Have to go do the monthly What's on now. Joy.

nickelbabe · 16/05/2011 12:00

it made me laugh during CHoir Practice - last time we did The Townend version, it was new to us (requested by church warden), and everyone moaned about it.
This time, everyone just sang it straight off -they had remembered it! Grin

nickelbabe · 16/05/2011 12:01

The tiredness and grumpiness will all be part of it. :(
prayers for you all.

MaryBS · 16/05/2011 12:26

Our church had Goodall's version too for the communion anthem :)

:( re: DD, MHD...

thanksamillion · 17/05/2011 08:19

Hello all

Just saying Hi and that I'm going on holiday tomorrow! Very excited (as are the DCs - for which read hyperactive) just the small matter of packing and sorting everything out to do. We're going to the north of Romania where the famous Hmm painted monastries are. They're supposed to be very beautiful but I do feel slightly like I'm turning into my parents and will spend the whole time telling the DCs it's educational and they'll thank me when they're older Grin

nickelbabe · 17/05/2011 12:05

you're always away! Shock

Have a lovely time Grin
It'll still be cold this time of year, but you're used to that, anyway!
(and you are definitely turning into your parents. If they don't like it, tell them that I never got taken to educational places when I was a child, and I feel like there's a big empty hole in my soul because of it Wink )

thanksamillion · 17/05/2011 12:47

What do you mean I'm always away? Shock

OK we do away for weekends sometimes but it is a bit like living in a goldfish bowl and when we're here we're always working - people are in and out of the house from 8am to 10pm with no concept of personal space - and we always take the laptop and stay somewhere with internet! Grin

nickelbabe · 17/05/2011 13:34

i'm only teasing you, don't worry! Grin

MaryBS · 17/05/2011 19:25

We're all a bit Envy, which is a deadly sin Wink

nickelbabe · 18/05/2011 10:45

I'm a bit Angry today, another deadly sin.

We had the PCC meeting last night, and I did my bit about the magazine, saying thank you very much to everyone who helped, provided articles and printed and distributed.
adn not thanks to those who didn't do anything. I even made it easy for you etc, giving ideas of what you could tell me etc etc.
explained that it's an outreach programme just as important as any other we do - Distributor confirmed that it goes to doctor's, funeral directors, dentist's, the hospital etc etc (all free for them).
and that it's really important that everything we do goes in there so that people think "ooh, that sounds exciting, I'll go along there"; that it's an advert for our church.
One lady (who always takes offence: she's just like me, flying off the handle at the slightest thing...) griped about the fact that noone's got time - so busy putting on evens that no time to write about them etc etc.
She was one who I asked for timesfor the uniformed groups, so I was able to say that she did give me important information. confirmed that all i need is dates and times, and I would make it look pretty.
then the man who did the St george's day article and photos started to have a huge go at me for not creditting him on the article or the photos. going on and on about the fact if he sends stuff to newpapers etc that they always put that he took the photos etc etc etc,( and that he was angry that he hadn't had his permission sought for putting the photos on the website: this isn't true, because I said to him in conversation that I would send them to the Webmaster for the website) and he was so nasty and vicious about his attack, I completely lost it and had a (i want to put tantrum, but it was completely justified and I can't think of a better word) benny about it, explaining loudly and between expletives that it was the first time I'd done anything like this, and that I'd spent 2 months on it (if you include all the research I did, looking at other people's magazines etc, it mounts up easily to 2 months if not more), and that apart from the people I'd already thanked, noone helped me. That the St George's day article was the last thing that went in (the copy date was held specifically for that article!), and that I had to format it, proof-read it etc, and that it didn't occur to me to even check that it was creditted (and if you look through the rest of the magazine, it's the only thing, apart from what I wrote, that hasn't been creditted) - it was literally copy+pasted from the email he sent me. ((and in actual fact, his document only has "DC" at the end of it, so I probably assumed that he didn't want his name printed or something)).
anyway, I ended up leaving after my burst, while one church warden sat there trying to bumble that he only wanted to thank me for all the hard work etc. to which I said that it didn't matter, that I didn't do it for thanks, and that it was hard work, and that I put in all that effort just to be critcized.
and that it was "really unfair that the whole thing was ruined by someone having a fucking mardy about his name not being put at the end of his article".

The office admin lady has just been in to say that the lady (who takes offence) really stuck up for me after I'd gone, saying that I had done lots of hard work, and that all that ever happens in our benefice is that we pick holes in what's been done wrong, without recognizing how much hard work has been put into making sure our churches are doing more and brilliantly during the interregnum, and that there should be more praise on what's been done well.

MaryBS · 18/05/2011 11:21

Am Angry on your behalf, but glad someone stuck up for you after you went. Everything you said is true, and you did put a lot of work in, and its awful someone only thinks of themselves. I wouldn't have bothered me one bit whether I was credited or not for my work, and it sound like he has huge ego problems! Don't let the buggers grind you down! You DID do a fantastic job!!!!

DutchOma · 18/05/2011 11:22

Oh Nickel, dear, what a horrible thing to happen. So sorry. Romans 12:18 springs to mind. Now that you have calmed down a bit you may find it in yourself to accept an apology. If one is forthcoming. If not, forgive him in your heart, but don't put yourself into the way of more grief. It's a shame because from what I read you quite enjoyed doing that magazine, in spite of all the hard work. Let's hope people will prevail on him to apologise and co-operate with you fully next time.
No apology, no more magazine.

nickelbabe · 18/05/2011 11:34

"If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone."

I will forgive him. It makes it worse that he is one who makes a big deal about talking to people in the right way and raising problems without making offence. If he'd approached me before the meeting and commented on his name being omitted, he would have got a very red face from me, and a huge genuine apology. But he raised it in anger, and that doesn't help his cause at all!

I also got a lovely email from that lady apologising for raising problems in the first place (to which I replied that she didn't need to apologise because I wasn't upset at her comments)

I did love doing the magazine, and I'm not going to stop doing because of that.
But I did spend loads of time making sure I creditted people etc through the whole magazine, and I only missed his out because of the rush to get it all done, checked and copied.

as I said before, I didn't expect or even want thanks, I just didn't expect a row because I omitted something.

madhairday · 18/05/2011 11:36

Oh nickel, also Angry for you. What is it about PCC meetings? I'm sure they are made up of people on power trips or something. Grrrrrrr. It's great that people stood up for you, I bet in the main that people were really grateful you had put all the time and effort in - as DO said, don't let this one person spoil your feelings about what you have done - you are right to be proud of yourself. I can totally empathise, I do our parish newsbooklet every month and it is such a slog getting people to contribute, then you get moaned at for not doing something how they wanted, leaving stuff out etc. It can be thankless! However there are many grateful people so it is good to think about them. Hope you get an apology very soon.

Grin

Don't let yourself steam over it...you've done a fantastic job :)

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