Religion Chat thread number 1

[nickelbabyjesus]

I wanted to put some random thoughts and stuff regarding church, without it having to be a debate or a specific topic (and not prayers, either)

It's basically, a "what happened at church (or in my musical/spiritual life) this week" thread.
Please join me!

I'll start:

We had Midnight Mass (on Christmas Eve, would you believe!), and it was half past 11, everyone was sitting and ready for the service to start - I waved the organist to give me my notes: he was just about to plat them when:
" TAXI FOR suchandsuch " came blaring out of our speaker system.
There's a Wetherspoon's over the road and looks like the DJ's mike was on the same frequency as our radio mikes.
So, all the congregation started giggling and we had to wait 5 minutes until everyone was calm and collected enough to carry on.

hello mhd, with your mad, mad taste in music

I like I the lord of sea and sky, too, but it has to be corrected - wait till i have to do a sheet, and i'll put a little explanatory note on it!

heheh. I like to think of my taste in music as ermmm....varied. After all, I love some of the oldest hymns, and can't stand 70's/80's cheesy choruses, but love a lot of contemporary stuff. I'm a mix, me. A mad mix possibly

I feel like I am coming across as Kendrick's Biggest Fan. It is far far from the truth, I do promise you!! I reckon he's had his day and was groundbreaking in his time. And I babysat his daughter once :)

I like I the Lord of Sea and Sky, however I think it's grammatically incorrect and not particularly well composed. It's bit like those cheesy 80's and early 90's songs, you know they're a bit naff - but you love anyhow (or is that just me )

Like A Canle Flame however............well I suppose if it's sung well with the echo done properly it's "ok". It wasn't one of his finest composition moments, all those clunky chords trying to be like a traditional hymm but failing badly.

psst MDH - Candle Flame is 80's,

What a claim to fame MHD. I was trying to think if I had one to out do you but I can't top babysitting GKs daughter

you know, at my old church, we hated the bad grammar so much that the choirmaster said that the choir would only sing the verses and let the plebs congregation sing the chorus like an echo/reply.
worked quite well actually, and we didn't have to sing the crap grammar!

don't know like a candle flame and i will not google it.

I love some of the hymns in the original A*M - the circumcision hymns are pretty gruesome - there are only 2, but they both speak of jesus being wounded to prepare his poor baby infant body for the cross and the nastiness that would happen to him. :(

nickel - Like a Candle Flame is in the Hideous Orange Book

lalalalalalallalalalalallalala i can't hear yoooooooooou!

he's unlikely to choose it, though, because he only chooses ones he knows and ones he likes. so nur :P

hehe thanksamillion. Used to be on the children's teams at Spring Harvest in my student days and we got called up to babysit all sorts of Famous Christian Bods' delightful sproglets

Baroque yes LACF is 80's, but not quite so cheesy as some (Father we adore you, Jesus we adore you, Spirit we adore you repeated verbatim for several hours/days/years )

I agree Bernadette Farrell is great.

I am genuinely following up on this grammar business because all my "learning" tells me it is correct. Indeed Isaiah 6 in a variety of modern translations tells me "whom shall I send" is correct: 'whom shall I send and who shall go for us' is the quote - 'whom' in the first clause because "I" is the subject there, but not in the second..

"Is it I, Lord?" Technically this is grammatically correct - it should be the subjective pronoun. An example of this form comes in Mark 14 v 19 when the disciples are asking Jesus which of them will betray him: they say in various translations "Is it I?"

Some translations have put this in more modern idioms - surely you don't mean me? etc.

With English/American losing its sense of the case system, we mostly do say "is it me?" but "Is it I?" is still technically correct.

problem is, Dandy, that a lot of modern translations are done by American publishers, and that means "is it I?" is correct for them - it doesn't translate into British English, because it's wrong for us.
"whom shall i send?" is wrong - I haven't seen that rule written down for Americans, but it can't be Whom if it's not possessive - and Daniel Shutte's hymn have who.... later on, in exactly the same way as he had "whom" earlier...

I don't see how "whom shall i send" is different from "who shall go for us" - it's the same rule
okay, in the first sentence, who is the object and I is the subject (ie the person doing the sending).

in the second sentence, who is the subject

(we should be doing this in Pedants' Corner, really! )

heheh - yes we should go ask them to demolish it

Hi everyone,

I have been lurking and nodding in agreement with much said on here, but have not had the courage to post because you all natter sooooo much.

I noticed a quiet couple of hours - you must all be out at choir practice or something, so have plucked the courage up to pop my head in and say "hi" . Can I lurk and pop my head in every now and then?

oooo hello PA

we do natter a lot yes

Of course you can lurk and pop your head in every now and then.

Hi PA, come and join the natter, you're more than welcome but you're not allowed to like Graham Kendrick

Exactly, nickelbabe - it is "whom" in the first sentence because it is the 'object' in that one.

And no, I'm not talking American translations of the bible. This is English-English and its grammatical rules. Just that modern English has lost some of its sense of "cases", which makes something like "is it I?" sound weird to modern ears. It is however correct English, if not bang-up-to-date modern idiom.

To move on, music from the St Thomas More Centre is usually worth its weight...

You're ok, I am not a Graham Kendrick fan.

I like Graham Kendrick . Is there any hope for me?

nonononononononononononononononononnoooooo
-it's only whom when it's possessive"!

and modern English hasn't lost its sense of cases.
put "is it me?" into the form of "can it be me?"
then try to replace the "me" with "I"
it doesn't work does it?
"can it be I?"
noooooooo.

now behave yourself - it's my thread, therefore if I have to play "house style", I will

Welcome to the Thread Positive Attitude - you are allowed to like Graham Kendrick, but i must have a 3000 word essay on my desk to explain the madness

this is all academical, as you say you don't like him, so you can sit with me

Choir Practice is Friday night for me.
I only post during the day because i am at work, and, being my own boss, I have more time.
evenings are for non-mumnsetty things

Feel free to post at whatever time of the day you wish though! :)

Mary - haven't seen you for a while!
how's it going?

Hi PA & welcome :)

Don't worry about keeping up with this lot, I've given up trying when they get on one about some hymn or other...

(...but must agree that the Orange Book is indeed Hideous )

I like the fact that we can have conversations over each other

even Baroque and I have two conversations running at once!