Religion Chat thread number 1

[nickelbabyjesus]

I wanted to put some random thoughts and stuff regarding church, without it having to be a debate or a specific topic (and not prayers, either)

It's basically, a "what happened at church (or in my musical/spiritual life) this week" thread.
Please join me!

I'll start:

We had Midnight Mass (on Christmas Eve, would you believe!), and it was half past 11, everyone was sitting and ready for the service to start - I waved the organist to give me my notes: he was just about to plat them when:
" TAXI FOR suchandsuch " came blaring out of our speaker system.
There's a Wetherspoon's over the road and looks like the DJ's mike was on the same frequency as our radio mikes.
So, all the congregation started giggling and we had to wait 5 minutes until everyone was calm and collected enough to carry on.

nah - they had that just the other week didn't they?

From Heaven you Came?

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Meekness and Majesty?

Wow - this thread moves quickly!

BA - I don't think you are ever too old to learn an instrument. There are a few things though that you may want to take into consideration when choosing what instrument you want to play. One is what you'd like to do with the instrument and what opportunities there may be locally for adult players. I learned to play piano as a child but don't really play at all now, despite having a piano in the house. I just don't really enjoy playing for myself and don't have anyone to play with or for. I also play another instrument and there is a very good adult group locally to me. As a result, I focus very much on that and I get much, much more enjoyment out of it. It just feels so much more fun when I'm playing and performing with other people.

Something else to bear in mind if you have neighbours is the sound that an instrument will produce. I woudn't want to have someone learning to play a brass instrument living upstairs or downstairs from me!

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Just popping in to say hello! We've had a night away in order to have a bath so not been around to keep up with this thread!

re The Lords my Shepherd, I love that and have taught it to some of the girls here. I want to translate it into Romanian but haven't quite got round to it. I often do it Verse, Chorus, Verse, Verse Chorus because with the tune being the same for both it can get a bit samey.

Blessed I totally feel for you with the DCs and not getting to hear a sermon. My three are all 5 and under and it's so hard if there's no creche or they won't stay. I also get because if they're with DH without me they sit still and quiet the whole time! But he's often preaching so up at the front and it's just me.

Agree with the snacks, drawing, no cars etc. We also have resorted to shameless bribery, whereby they start Sunday morning on the promise of 2 extra stories each at bedtime and these can be lost by being noisy at church. We do have a 2 hour morning service and 1 hour in the afternoon so there's plenty of time to loose them .

I have also been known to sneak off home in the middle and come back towards the end on a really bad day

I should have said yoghurt covered raisins are also really good for keeping little ones quiet. I take them out of rustly plastic wrappers and put them in small tupperware pots.

good point jaffa i would like to play in a church, i am in the worship team and i'm one of the few who can't play, the drummer is a lady, my friend, another friend plays the bass, so i feel i am missing out, but i guess we have to move to the country first so that i don't make noise for people...

I suspect we won't agree on this, but there is nothing wrong with the grammar in "I the Lord of Sea and Sky". We won't need to quote grammatical credentials to each other, but amongst the many hymnbook pedants I have come across (and I count myself as one in part), and many choir-directors and clergy, no-one has ever debated the grammar of that hymn before. It is "whom" because "whom" is the object of the sentence, for example.

Its composer might be American but he is also one of the foremost modern Catholic liturgical composers of our day.

"I am a sheep, baa, baa" is an excellent song for children - every schoolchild I know who has come across it has loved it and remembered it. We always change the phrase "stupid in the head" to "silly in the head" though.

DandyDan - my grammar is appalling (even at the best of times) - yet even I think it's grammatically wrong.........and so does the majority in our church (including the vicar........and me the - the choir director)

And if that's the best example of Catholic liturgical composing then I dread to think what the rest of it is like . It is not a fine example of composition. He has indeed written some good stuff, but for me I the Lord of Sea and Sky is on a par with Graham Kendericks "Like a Candle Flame"........just not one of his finest moments.

I didn't say the I am a sheep was a bad song . It's among the favourites in our Sunday School - but come on - you may change the worlds to "silly" - but if you give the kids printed copies of the books as many churches do they see stupid

Well, we'll have to disagree. "I" is the subject of most of the sentences, the one doing the verb. "Me" is used as the object. All is present and correct in that hymn. Some confusion is caused by the fact that the verses are from the POV of God, and the choruses from the POV of a follower of God/Christ.

Where did I say it was the best example of Catholic liturgical composing? I said the composer was one of the best, not the hymn.

Personally I think it's a good hymn but massively overused. I've been singing it since the mid-1980's but you get it everywhere like a rash nowadays, so it lessens its appeal. It's not my personal favourite of that strand of liturgical music but it's pretty good and well-written overall IMO.

ahh well I'll agree to disagree on the grammar then.

I still don't think it's very well composed tune nor that many of his other tunes are particularly spectacular.

Tim Manion, Bernadette Farrel spring to mind as being leagues ahead in composition terms.

On on other subjects, i am exhausted, had insomnia until gone 4am, and then DS2 was sick 3 times between then and 7 - need sleep, got so much to do urghh

DandyDan - sorry to disappoint, but in this case "It" is is the subject of the sentence, and "is I" is the predciate, which means it should be "It is me" - "me" being the object.

The rule to which you are referring only applies to American English - if you are American, then everything you say is true and correct.
If you are speaking/writing British English then you arewrong -
please see this page rule 2 - this book is written about American English and therefore doesn't apply to us.
see here BBC English grammar rules

The author of the hymn is American, but in our case, the singers are British, therefore the hymn is incorrect.

Sorry to rant at you, but this must be cleared up.

Now I'll go back and read the bits I've missed since yesterday.

No!
It was Beauty for Brokenness!
The only one we haven't had recently is Meekness and Majesty!

Three out of Four weeks with a Graham Kendrick hmyn!
I told our churchwarden (who's a bit happy-clappy) before the service that she would have a good laugh with the hymns - I wouldn't tell her why but she'd see when we got there.
As soon as the hymn started, I saw her poke her head out and point and laugh

I have now found that dandy also referred to "whom" - actually, WHOM is completely wrong in that sentence, because whom is the possessive mood - "to who does this belong?"
and he puts "who" in the very next line - that one isn't even a difference between English and American English - it's just plain wrong

bollocks! typo - "to WHOM does this belong?"

ah Beauty for Brokenness - I've don't mind that one actually. There's a lovely vid of it on YouTube that someone else has done.

we had fun at choir practice, though!
the version that DH has done with St Mary's singing group is different from the one in the Hideous book, and the choir had to stop him to ask what he was doing cos that's not what it says in the book (i think i was the only one who knew it - and he did it differently from both! cos I did it from SF and it's almost the same, but not quite (inbetween verses, i think))
anyway, he missed out the twiddle between verses and made the "love" bit on the chorus shorter.
very odd

It used to bug me, and confuse the choir (when we had one) with the whole verse, verse, chorus, verse, verse, chorus, verse, chorus thing. But I'm used to it now

\link{http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=ZqDOXfj9W0w\this is the version that changed my mind} or liking/not liking it

i think we did verse 1,2, chorus, 3,4 chorus, 5 chorus.
I don't know what it says in the Hideous words version, but that's what we did - don't think anyone got confused (well, noone told me! ) - thankfully, it's one that's obvious when you're going into a chorus.

That's a nice version, I like the video (but I can't explain why, but big-voiced tenor soloists freak me out... )

oh, yeah, Hideous version starts on B, and SF version starts on C, so it's nicer/easier to sing.

The words version does it as you did it (And I think what I said in my 10.35 post ).

LOL @ being feaked out by the big voiced tenor soloists

i know - i was confused with the "verse, verse, chorus, verse, verse, chorus, verse, chorus " - i couldn't work out how many verses you had put inbetween!
(smartarse :P )

God, just been looking through an RSCM suggested Good Friday order of service, saw My Song is Love Uknown, and the verse
Sometimes they strew his way,
and his sweet praises sing;
resounding all the day
hosannas to their King.
Then ?Crucify!?
is all their breath,
and for his death
they thirst and cry.

:(

it's ok I had to go back and read it 3 times to see if it was the same as what you'd put

It's really obvious in the words copy of how it's supposed to be sung (according to the Orange book) - but not so clear in the music.

yes, that's true - it doesn't give you the 2nd chorus in the music book.

I've just been doing my lesson plan for the Guides (i've done 2 in one, so we can repeat stuff)
fun!
I've printed them all out copies of the music, too, because they're supposed be able to read music for this badge.
Might have to do some proper homework soon, too, because some of them can't read it already.

I've also done a lesson plan for my junior choir - easier because i'm working through the Voice for Life with him and the RSCM has done a quarterly resource for it (and i'm one year behind so i've got 2 years to draw from)

Afternoon :)

I like Like a Candle Flame

(and I The Lord of Sea and Sky, grammatically incorrect or not :) ) (but I agree it is)

Hope you get better sleep tonight Baroque.