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Really moved by reaction of faithful to the Pope.

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bamboostalks · 17/09/2010 08:29

Realise that there is a huge amount of negativity and vitriol on here atm with regards to the Pope's visit. However mumsnet is for all and there are plenty of Catholics who are pleased to see him here. This is a thread to celebrate this. I was really moved at the reaction of people in Glasgow yesterday. It was so emotional to see the babies hepd up for his blessing, he really did radiate a serene presence. Love his message as well, it is time to be proud to be a Christian. Hope all those going to see him have a fantastic time.

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FreddoBaggyMac · 20/09/2010 14:43

I'm back as I have a few spare minutes - just can't keep away Sad

I've been thinking about all the DP malarky and what really annoys me is the way is takes over nearly every catholic thread on here. It really is getting so tedious.

I spent a good long time thinking about my post this morning on why to be catholic is not to be homophobic... a quote was immediately pulled out of it and used to insult DP and the gist of what I was trying to say wasn't even acknowledged... and that's just irritating!!

POFAKKEDDthechair, it is not actually an irony that many Priests are gay and celibate. The church is well aware of this and does not have any problem with it. Can I make it completely clear that the Pope and the church state that there is absolutely no sin in being born gay???
With regard for your last question, I would say that any form of agression is oppressive by its very nature. Aggression is defined as behavior aimed at causing harm or pain, psychological harm, or personal injury or physical distraction.

daftpunk · 20/09/2010 14:45

lol aitch, y'know sometimes your posts are so crass I can't actually believe you're being serious......but just incase you are;

My "friends" on MN are more than capable of working me out for themselves, they're intelligent enough to not need a running commentary about every move I make from you.

My posts/threads are there for all to see.

So, I'm not trying to re-write my MN history to impress my new catholic friends, even you should know me better than that.

POFAKKEDDthechair · 20/09/2010 15:10

Well as far as I know Freddo the church does not acknowledge that people are 'born' gay. Most homophobic christians I know [and I know a lot who are not as well] believe that homosexuality is a 'lifestyle choice'.

If the catholic church did acknowledge that people were actually born gay, they would open a huge theological can of worms - if God makes people gay, how can he then cruelly deny them the chance of having a fully loving relationship with the person they were 'born' to love? Doesn't make sense and that is why the pope would never acknowledge that people are born gay. The irony in the fact that there are many gay and celibate priests is that alot of them are
a] in the closet, as coming out of the closet would mean having to leave their job
b] hate themselves for having those feelings and are therefore miserable and have issues which prevent them from carrying out their ministry and pastoral care properly.

Their are also gay priests who have relationships and people turn a blind eye to them. this is fine except there is a huge hypocrisy in only criticizing those relationships that are made public.

You are now talking about relative oppression. If you want to say that aggressive secularism is relatively oppressive then that is your opinion, but you cannot possibly say it is as oppressive as religious regimens where women are forced to retire from pulbic life, or to have no access to contraception or abortion, etc. That is just NOT TRUE.

POFAKKEDDthechair · 20/09/2010 15:11

regimes.
public.

Aitch · 20/09/2010 15:13

if you mean me, freddo, and this post, i wasn't insulting DP, i was still looking for an answer as to how she can use contraception (thus ignoring her pope) but is happy to be homophobic and will tell people on here that she is following the church wrt this matter. your post clarified that both acts were equally 'evil' (or not) in the eyes of the church, so i quoted it. i am still looking for an answer but now she has returned to form and is playing her victim card so i doubt it will be forthcoming. stick around, freddo, you'll see how it goes...

nothing else you said was new, or hadn't been said before tbh, except for the quote from ratzinger, and i found your explanation of that mealy-mouthed in the extreme so didn't want to respond to it as it was irritatingly pat.

Aitch · 20/09/2010 15:14

sorry by this post i should have said the post below.

POFAKKEDDthechair · 20/09/2010 15:17

By the way, the fact that Cardinal Newman was dug up from his grave by order from the Vatican, where he had been lying next to his lifelong male friend, Ambrose StJohn, as he had requested, to be buried in the Birmingham Oratory, says so much.

FreddoBaggyMac · 20/09/2010 15:53

One final point for POFAKKED, the church does in fact acknowledge that people are 'born gay'. It is in the catechism.

Fine then if my attempts to explain my religion are ''mealy-mouthed and irritatingly pat'' I think that's me done here. I was trying to give a reasoned discussion in answer to a point someone raised about the Pope saying it was 'evil to be gay' but it seems that people just don't want to hear... Thank you Aitch for helping me to realise that discussing my religion on here is just a huge waste of time. Won't be doing it any more for a while.

daftpunk · 20/09/2010 15:59

aitch;

I use natural methods.... 99% effective.

FreddoBaggyMac · 20/09/2010 16:02

This thread started off so nicely and I was in such a good mood when I first came on here - it was supposed to be a thread for Catholics to celebrate the Pope's visit. Instead it has left me feeling utterly depressed... all I can do is learn from it I suppose.

Aitch · 20/09/2010 16:09

oh buck UP, freddo. you're allowed to say that i am irritating because i didn't answer your point but i'm not allowed to answer that i didn't answer because i found your point irritating? how does that work exactly?

dp you know what? i don't believe you, lol. you'd have been only too happy to say that in the first instance if it were true. Grin but nice try, lol. Wink

POFAKKEDDthechair · 20/09/2010 16:10

Sorry but there is a bit more at stake here Freddo than your feelings. And I think people have been very polite - if they disagree then you can't really be upset about that.

Er, this is what the catechism says about homosexuality:

'Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ?homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.? They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. '

daftpunk · 20/09/2010 16:10

I know FBM, I feel the same. The day this thread was started there were 4, maybe 5 pope bashing threads on the go.... so abosolutely no need to come on here and ruin it for us.

Sometimes I can't believe I'm on a site for adult intelligent women.

My 10 yr old wouldn't behave in such a way.

No manners.

And hullygully hasn't even had the good grace to apologise for starting it.

daftpunk · 20/09/2010 16:11

Not that I was expecting anything...

Aitch · 20/09/2010 16:14
FreddoBaggyMac · 20/09/2010 16:19

I did not say you were irritating Aitch, I do not find you iritating. I said the fact that catholic threads are consistently hijacked by talking about DP and the national front is irritating.

I do not see that your comments about my post which genuinely did take me a lot of time to think about are at all polite, in fact I would say they are downright rude.

With regard to the catholic church's teaching on homosexuality my thoughts on it are all summed up in the mealy mouthed post from this morning so I have nothing further to add here.

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bamboostalks · 20/09/2010 16:22

Do not know anything about DP and BNP affiliations, that would obviously against the spirit of this visit by the Pope which I was trying to celebrate.

I do wish that there had been more of a focus on the outstanding work that the church does in the developing world on poverty alliviation during the visit. CAFOD is hugely supported in this country. I am more interested in these areas of the church's work along with liberation theology than getting bogged down in discussions about sexual morals etc. I think that there is a fantastic opportunity to examine our society now and how we can interpret the Gospels in a radical light. The link with the school in the Gambia that was highlighted on Friday's Mass is a total reflection of catholic teaching in practice.

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Aitch · 20/09/2010 16:24

sorry, what? i am confused. what was rude? that i found your answer on the matter of ratzinger's evil homosexuals rather pat? well, look, i'm sorry about that but that's what i thought. i didn't answer at the time because i didn't wnat to offend you, but you were the one bleating about the fact that i hadn't. can't really win, can i?

and while it might be irritating that dp is the source of many a thread hijack, all i can say is 'welcome to our world'. she loves it, tbh. that's why she gave hully such a telling-off, rather than back off and let someone else deal with it. but you will learn this.

daftpunk · 20/09/2010 16:31

How do you know what I love aitch..?

If you're talking about my supposed "attention seeking" you couldn't be wrong if you tried.

It may have escaped your notice, but I keep a very low profile these days, for reasons I don't want to go into again.

POFAKKEDDthechair · 20/09/2010 16:33
Aitch · 20/09/2010 16:35

yes, you on a catholic thread, that's low profile, sure enough. Grin prior to that your low profile was down to the fact that you'd shit-stirred so much that mnhq told you to stay off all boards apart from music for three months, or get banned.

daftpunk · 20/09/2010 16:36

Er, incorrect...and you know it

daftpunk · 20/09/2010 16:37

It was my decision, and I'm more than happy for anyone from MNHQ to come on here and confirm it.

Aitch · 20/09/2010 16:37

what, in the sense that you didn't stick to your word and only stuck out your purgatory for a coupla months? yeah, i know that, but i'm surprised you want me to mention it.

daftpunk · 20/09/2010 16:40

MNHQ have not, at anytime told me to stay off all boards apart from music....that never happened.

We have exchanged quite a few emails (which are none of your business)...but they have never said that.

So shut up