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Really moved by reaction of faithful to the Pope.

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bamboostalks · 17/09/2010 08:29

Realise that there is a huge amount of negativity and vitriol on here atm with regards to the Pope's visit. However mumsnet is for all and there are plenty of Catholics who are pleased to see him here. This is a thread to celebrate this. I was really moved at the reaction of people in Glasgow yesterday. It was so emotional to see the babies hepd up for his blessing, he really did radiate a serene presence. Love his message as well, it is time to be proud to be a Christian. Hope all those going to see him have a fantastic time.

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FreddoBaggyMac · 19/09/2010 19:46

It was never going to happen though SWC... I agree it's a shame but have to admit I would have been surprised if the OP's request had been respected to the end of page 1... This is actually not a bad thread as they go, probably the nearest we'll ever get to a Papal praise thread on here Smile

daftpunk · 19/09/2010 19:48

Agree SWC, even when I pointed that out to a certain person she carried on being a prize dick.

daftpunk · 19/09/2010 19:49

intact, she was so embarrassing I felt sorry for her.

Aitch · 19/09/2010 20:05

good lord, WHO are you talking about now, dp?

daftpunk · 19/09/2010 20:19

Oh god typo alert, sorry, on my phone

daftpunk · 19/09/2010 20:21

Doesn't matter aitch, let's end this thread happily, popes last day and all that..... don't you ever get tired of arguing? ..... I do x

Aitch · 19/09/2010 20:23
bamboostalks · 19/09/2010 20:30

Shall we really end on a fun note? My dd is so fascinated by his red shoes, she has a real fixation with them. Very cute.

Our church community has been strengthened by this visit, hope that this continues. We are a community and self criticism and reflection is our powerful tool, long may it continue.

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Aitch · 19/09/2010 20:35

absolutely, bamboo.

daftpunk · 19/09/2010 20:35

Yes, we must end this thread happily Smile

dollius · 19/09/2010 20:37

I am amazed there are people still defending the Pope on here. He was in charge of dishing out canon law for 25 years. He was directly responsible for those priests not being punished.
On what planet is this acceptable?
On DP's planet la-la land apparently.
And in what world do Christian values translate into gay-bashing? I thought Christianity was about compassion and understanding and realising that the only being allowed to sit in judgement on others is God.
Do you really not understand what that means DP?
Can't quite get over you labelling "the atheists" as bigots, either. Extraordinary.

TotorosOcarina · 19/09/2010 20:37
FreddoBaggyMac · 19/09/2010 20:37

I like his red shoes too bamboo! My DD (aged 4) said today that she wants to marry the Pope when she grows up Grin

rainrainrainsun · 19/09/2010 20:40

Appalled by this evil man and his immoral views .In any other area of public life he would be unlawful.

FreddoBaggyMac · 19/09/2010 20:40

Dollius could you go back and read the thread so we don't have to repeat ourselves yet again?
please have a look at my Catechism quote re ''Gay bashing'' and FaithandReason's link if you TRULY want to know why people are defending the Pope... which I suspect you really don't!

FreddoBaggyMac · 19/09/2010 20:41

def time to go. Nice to talk to you Aitch, Bamboo and DP...

dollius · 19/09/2010 20:52

Yes Freddy, completely agree with you on Catechism. I was referring to DP's gay-bashing.
Is it correct then that the Pope did not refer to homosexuality as "evil"?
I realise not everything in the press is correct.

daftpunk · 19/09/2010 21:09

Time for me to go too FBM..

Nice talking to you Smile

daftpunk · 19/09/2010 21:12

Determined to leave this thread happily

whenever I hear it it reminds me of my faith in God.

Night everyone

x x

Hullygully · 20/09/2010 08:27

You are insane.

FreddoBaggyMac · 20/09/2010 10:02

This thread is pure lunacy Grin

Dollius, these are the words of the Pope which I think have caused so much uproar re homosexuality:

"Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder."

It should be pointed out that he said this around 25 years ago and I think perhaps his words would be slightly different if he re-issued the statement today. However he does not say that homosexuality itself is evil but that it leads to evil, there is a huge difference if people would only open their minds and look at the words properly.

He is saying that homosexuality leads to sexual acts which are not for the purpose God intended (ie. purely for the sake of pleasure and not for reproduction) such acts are considered 'evil' (which is a bit of an antiquated word to use) by the Church whether they are committed by homosexuals or anybody else.

He has never said that homosexuals are evil. While the above view may seem unfair it is the one that is given in the Catechism, the Pope did not make it up! It's a very difficult area as the Church is never going to change it's teaching to say that sex is OK for any purpose other than to make a new life (it's fine to enjoy it, just as long as you're open to a new life). Sex between homosexuals obviously does not have this primary purpose so it is difficult to see how the Church can say it's OK without changing their entire teachings.

However, the act of homosexuality is no more ''evil'' than a husband and wife using a condom and my own view is that it is up to the individual to use their conscience in that respect and decide for themselves how they can square what they are doing with Church teaching and what God asks of them.

None of us live exactly in accordance with what the church teaches (unless we are Jesus Christ). Jesus said that love is the most important thing: "Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins'' (1Peter 4:8), if people have that in their mind then I think their conscience should not trouble them too much over any act which is borne out of true, genuine, unselfish love. Whether an act is truly unselfish I think we know ourselves if we think carefully enough about it.

Aitch · 20/09/2010 10:10

"However, the act of homosexuality is no more ''evil'' than a husband and wife using a condom and my own view is that it is up to the individual to use their conscience in that respect and decide for themselves how they can square what they are doing with Church teaching and what God asks of them."

hope dp paid close attention to that para.

FreddoBaggyMac · 20/09/2010 10:18

We're not here to judge DP though are we?!
I don't think DP has ever claimed that she is Jesus (???) and like I said we all do things which are against church teaching except Jesus!

Aitch · 20/09/2010 10:24

lol, i don't judge homosexuals, i judge homophobes who justify their bigotry by pretending that they are behaving in accordance with the church's teachings, freddo.

FreddoBaggyMac · 20/09/2010 10:35

Fair enough Aitch, DP is more than capable of defending herself. Tbh though I've never seen anything homophobic coming from her... in fact I never seem to see her say much apart from ''No, I am not homophobic'' in response to other people's accusations, so realy I can hardly judge her on that basis Smile Do you think my post above is homophobic? If DP said she agreed with it (which of course she may not) would you say that she was not homophobic?