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Would you vote to end the monarchy?

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Trezo · 09/03/2020 08:51

At the end of this month Republic is heading to Plymouth and Truro to host screenings of the documentary The Man Who Shouldn't Be King.

The film highlights the real problems Duchy of Cornwall tenants face becaues of the feudal way Prince Charles runs the estate. Making the film has spurred us on to get the Duchy taken off Charles's hands (it's not his private property) and to ensure all Duchy tenants enjoy the same rights as the rest of us.

All our events around the country are part of Republic's Where You Live programme. You can find out more and help us organise more events by donating at www.republic.org.uk/whereyoulive

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Medievalist · 09/03/2020 12:25

Never thought I'd say this but yes. Absolutely not whilst the queen is alive. She is wonderful. But the rest of them need to be put out to grass.

Reginabambina · 09/03/2020 12:26

Yes, but only if they weren’t replaced by something worse. I don’t really see the point tbh. Obviously the monarch has a constitutional role to play but you could keep that without needing to have the whole circus.

MangoFeverDream · 09/03/2020 12:30

Worth every penny not to have a president

Presidents have term limits you know.

Considering we have two generations of uninspiring men ahead of us, I say get rid after QE dies

MissSueFlay · 09/03/2020 12:39

Removing the monarch as our head of state will mean a whole lot more than just not paying for a royal family. The whole constitution of our country and its structures will have to change - we'd probably need to have a written one with all the headaches that brings. More campaigns and elections for a President / Head of State (regardless of how much power they would have), the monarch sits outside all that -

I'd certainly vote to modify the size of it, but not the basic thing that the monarch is the head of state and government and justice is done in her/his name. I don't like the idea of politicians at all levels, no thank you.

I don't like the celebrification of the royal family though.

Trezo · 09/03/2020 13:01

I would want an elected head of state not the hereditary Royals You get to choose.
Who are the Royals what have they achieved a mediocre bunch Loads of money spent on one family and they with the most perpetrate the awful class system we have.

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slipperywhensparticus · 09/03/2020 13:07

No

But even if they did get voted out it makes no difference to them they have money and land of their own people would still flock to see them we would still end up paying for security because of the press 🤷‍♀️

Charles wants a stripped down monarchy he is not supporting his brother he sacked him he is supporting his son which is what parents are supposed to do

Until andrew is proven guilty we really cant treat him as such

AgentProvocateur · 09/03/2020 13:12

Yes, I’d vote them out

Trezo · 09/03/2020 15:17

In what way are the Duchy tenants different?

Every six months or so, Alan Davis sets out from his seaside bungalow on a far-flung island off the southwestern coast of England carrying a rent check of 12.5 pounds (about $16) for his landlord.

But this is no ordinary landlord, and no ordinary rent check.

Mr. Davis lives on a tiny corner of the Duchy of Cornwall, the property empire controlled by Prince Charles, the heir to Britain’s throne, who has quietly turned an inheritance of rundown farmland into a billion-pound real estate conglomerate. By a quirk of British law, Mr. Davis has to pay the prince for the privilege of living on his land, piddling as the checks may be.

“It’s a feudal way of carrying on,” Mr. Davis said. “They put their finger in and demand money. They’re a law unto themselves.”

People like Mr. Davis own their homes there, but the duchy owns the ground on which they are built. Such an arrangement is not uncommon in England, but homeowners would usually have the option to buy the land. Not on some duchy land.

That enables the duchy to charge small ground rents to homeowners grandfathered into long leases, like Mr. Davis. Once those leases lapse, it can also raise rents to thousands of pounds per year, making it difficult for people to sell or mortgage their homes.

In one case, a couple built a house on the Isles of Scilly, only to have the duchy force them to sign a lease bequeathing the property to Prince Charles’s estate upon their death, said Lord Berkeley, a Labour peer in the House of Lords.
“They set up an arrangement where tenants are too frightened to do anything, for fear of losing their property,” said Lord Berkeley, who tried unsuccessfully to push through a bill in 2017 ending the duchy’s special landlord status and removing its tax exemptions. “In what we like to think of as a democratic country, that doesn’t seem fair to me.”

Mr. Davis says that among people on the Isles of Scilly around where he lives and pays his rent to the duchy, the mood has hardened against Prince Charles.

“They hate him basically,” Mr. Davis said. “Most people can’t abide him. All the money he gets goes out of the island. And that’s how he can afford to give Harry £2.3 million to live his lifestyle.”

www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/world/europe/harry-meghan-charles-duchy-of-cornwall.html

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Trezo · 10/03/2020 08:15

I am glad to see that there are more who woukd like to see the end of the monarchy, about Royals don't bring tourists the total cost.

We don't need a monarchy and I hope that there will be some debate when Queen goes possibly a vote one day

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SilverySurfer · 10/03/2020 12:23

No and I'm sure the country would vote no if there were a referendum, unlike on here which is left wing biased.

Trezo · 10/03/2020 14:04

Prince Charles’s pledge to help support the couple as they forgo public funding has put a spotlight on his own sources of wealth, including a billion-pound real estate conglomerate.

These people do absolutely nothing except devour or enjoy the things produced by the Labour of others.

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jenthelibrarian · 10/03/2020 14:13

Yes, absolutely. Bunch of parasites.

The European country with the highest number of tourist visitors is France - look what they did to their monarchy!
If ours were abolished then tourists, and the rest of us, would have far greater access to the properties and the treasures we never see.

The idea of Charles being king makes me shudder.

JellyfishandShells · 10/03/2020 14:15

No, I wouldn’t .

DjenneJen · 10/03/2020 14:19

Yes I’m all for phasing it out. It’s archaic and irrelevant as well as ridiculous. Why do we have to replace it with anything? It’s not like they have any actual power. Boris wasn’t stopped by her maj from proroguing parliament a few months ago. Which imo if she did have the power she should have done.

ApplesinmyPocket · 10/03/2020 15:30

Yes, like a shot.

All this bowing and curtseying and bobbing and Ma'am-ing and your royal majesty-ing to people who are just other humans like ourselves. They can do it to each other if they like. But leave the rest of us out.

SerendipityJane · 10/03/2020 15:37

At school, UK:

"Work and study hard, and you can be whatever you want to be."
"How can I get to be King, please ?"
"Fuck off you peasant"

At school, US:
"Work and study hard, and you can be whatever you want to be."
"How can I get to be President, please ?"
"Here's a list of inspirational tales about those that did."

Admittedly not perfect. But at least there's a principle being honoured. Anyone who likes a hereditary monarchy (and it's worth noting that pre-Norman, the Anglo Saxons elected Kings ...) is also quite happy in being a second-class citizen. Which isn't what I'd ever want for my children.

BretonKitten · 10/03/2020 15:43

Yes.

I could maybe be ok with the Royal family continuing in a very much slimmed down ceremonial role, with nominal expenses and stipend, for a transitional period whilst a new constitution finds its feet.

Mintjulia · 10/03/2020 15:54

No

pilates · 10/03/2020 15:58

No

ageingdisgracefully · 10/03/2020 16:02

Yes.

GeraltOfRivia · 10/03/2020 16:02

Yes. But that's a recent change for me. I don't see a place for an hereditary ruling class in a modern society. The fact that people exist who would expect me to bow and curtesy to them subserviently, and not as a society wide cultural protocol, just for them irks me. They aren't better than us. They just have a shit ton of money and a title chucked at them because of their parentage. What really tipped my over was Prince Andrew.

Purplecatshopaholic · 10/03/2020 16:03

Absolutely yes. Would have got rid of them years ago.

bodgeitandscarper · 10/03/2020 16:04

Yes. I don't wish to be a subject of anyone just because of how they happen to be born.

DustyMaiden · 10/03/2020 16:05

No

balletpanda · 10/03/2020 16:06

No