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To ask you to sign this petition about women's prisons

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kendoddsdadsdogsdead18 · 29/10/2018 15:28

You may remember recently the case of Karen White, who is physically a man but self id'ed as a women. White was sent to prison after carrying out a vicious attack and was subsequently housed in the female estate. Within days White raped 2 women and thank god, is now housed in the male estate.

However, there are simply no guarantees that this situation would not happen occur. If self id became the law over here, women in prison,l who are often vulnerable & as a group are statistically to be more likely to have experienced sexual assault will be most at risk. In Ireland where self id is already law transwomen are housed in the male estate. Over here, where self id isn't even law, we have gone one huge step further than Ireland by allowing fully in tact males into the female estate.

In prison showers and getting dressed is open and shared. Personally I could not imagine personally having to shower naked in front of a male bodied stranger. It's bad enough in front of women. I think it says a lot about a society that carefully considers the privacy, dignity and safety of it's most vulnerable members. As I understand it, there are currently male bodied prisoners in every female estate.

If you feel, as I do that prison rules should reviewed, please take a look at and sign this
petition.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/228767

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concretesieve · 01/12/2018 14:14

Wow! Broken another thousand barrier - 6,069

concretesieve · 02/12/2018 11:32

6,293 Really great to see the rate of signups picking up! Please keep spreading the word - these are some of our most vulnerable sisters.

ErrolTheDragon · 02/12/2018 11:55

Someone has put a link to the petition in the comments on this:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sex-offender-gordon-pike-helped-set-prison-trans-rules-q8n3lnksv?shareToken=ab08aa12128faf5602f2b7d0f1082411

Good!

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 02/12/2018 13:16

6,337!

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 02/12/2018 20:43

Andrew Gilligan's tweeted the petition!

6,476.

concretesieve · 03/12/2018 12:06

6,725! Keep those signups coming !

FruitCider · 03/12/2018 12:59

I've literally just been debating this topic with someone who said "women are subjected to violence from women in prison so the risk of violence from transwomen is irrelevant".

I've just peak transed all over again. It literally breaks me when I see women have such little concern for women's rights. Female prisoners are vulnerable, far more vulnerable than most can ever imagine, and we need to keep them safe so PLEASE SIGN.

go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=petition.parliament.uk/petitions/228767?fbclid=IwAR30knDH9VrfYA5ZMukg-d6jxI4JCJsZJ5tP8Zc0knrwQ2SxJi5EoW2asqw

RiverTam · 03/12/2018 13:00

bumpity bump

ErrolTheDragon · 03/12/2018 13:20

"women are subjected to violence from women in prison so the risk of violence from transwomen is irrelevant".

That's analogous to saying, children are at risk of injury crossing a 30 mph road, so what the heck, we might as well have a 60 limit. Whereas the solution is to reduce the limit to 20 (ie work to reduce what violence there is)

FruitCider · 03/12/2018 13:34

That's analogous to saying, children are at risk of injury crossing a 30 mph road, so what the heck, we might as well have a 60 limit. Whereas the solution is to reduce the limit to 20 (ie work to reduce what violence there is)

Your response is so thought through. I on the other hand went on a rant 🙈

ErrolTheDragon · 03/12/2018 13:57

I think if I came across that IRL or directly with an individual, I'd be too gobsmacked to even rant!

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 03/12/2018 20:40

6,860, we're almost 70% of the way to 10,000!

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/228767?fbclid=IwAR30knDH9VrfYA5ZMukg-d6jxI4JCJsZJ5tP8Zc0knrwQ2SxJi5EoW2asqw

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Ereshkigal · 04/12/2018 18:08

StarStar7002! StarStar

concretesieve · 04/12/2018 21:11

Yay!!

concretesieve · 05/12/2018 22:47

Bump for today. 7,064

concretesieve · 06/12/2018 18:21

Another century! 7,100

concretesieve · 07/12/2018 15:57

Friday bump. 7,245

concretesieve · 08/12/2018 15:57

7,277

Ereshkigal · 09/12/2018 11:12

Sunday bump at 7,319

concretesieve · 09/12/2018 19:47

Evening bump. 7,384

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concretesieve · 10/12/2018 18:19

7,482 - can we manage it by midnight!

concretesieve · 11/12/2018 12:21

7,521!!! Please keep it up!Smile