To ask you to sign this petition about women's prisons

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You may remember recently the case of Karen White, who is physically a man but self id'ed as a women. White was sent to prison after carrying out a vicious attack and was subsequently housed in the female estate. Within days White raped 2 women and thank god, is now housed in the male estate.

However, there are simply no guarantees that this situation would not happen occur. If self id became the law over here, women in prison,l who are often vulnerable & as a group are statistically to be more likely to have experienced sexual assault will be most at risk. In Ireland where self id is already law transwomen are housed in the male estate. Over here, where self id isn't even law, we have gone one huge step further than Ireland by allowing fully in tact males into the female estate.

In prison showers and getting dressed is open and shared. Personally I could not imagine personally having to shower naked in front of a male bodied stranger. It's bad enough in front of women. I think it says a lot about a society that carefully considers the privacy, dignity and safety of it's most vulnerable members. As I understand it, there are currently male bodied prisoners in every female estate.

If you feel, as I do that prison rules should reviewed, please take a look at and sign this
petition.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/228767

Blah blah blah you're just like Nazis...

Yawn.

Whether you see largely left wing radical feminists as akin to Britain First rather depends on whether you think male feelings should trump women's rights to privacy and dignity and safeguarding.

Maybe you should think about why all these left wing, erstwhile labour voting/lib dem voting women are pushing back so hard on this issue rather than wasting everyone's time making stupid comparisons to Britain first.

wasting everyone's time making stupid comparisons to Britain first

Bit close to the bone was it?

Let's be very clear, I DO NOT want dangerous predators of ANY sex or gender in women's prisons.

I also DO NOT want perfectly harmless post-transition trans women with full gender reassignment to end up in a men's prison, or in some "you're not like the other women" unit if they don't pay for their TV license.

The group behind this petition agree with the first, but would not agree with the second, unless anyone wants to tell me otherwise? Thought not.

If you agree with the first, you may be inclined to sign. If you would also agree with the second, perhaps just think again....

As soon as you compare an organisation as moderate, respectful, tame & decent as FPFW to Britain First, you expose yourself more clearly than a fully in tact transwoman in a female prison shower.

Honestly, all you are doing here is making yourself look desperate.

FYI when I joined this debate, I was concerned about self id but I was determined to read everything I could on both sides & was ready to change my mind. I did that & it didn't happen. That's because without doing Olympian style mental gymnastics the pro self id argument does not make sense. It defies all common sense & wilfully dismisses worst case scenarios. Every situation that can go wrong sees women & most likely marginalised, vulnerable women get the shitty end of the stick. The women least likely to be effected are white, middle class, atheist women who have never been abused. Bizarrely this is who we are accused of being!

Bit close to the bone was it?

Haha. No.

Nah not close to the bone at all. I just think you're being ridiculous. You're no better than any other MRA who will grasp at any old straw to paint women's concerns as transphobic, and to try and suggest that groups like FPFW are right wing intolerant otherwise why else are you trying to align them with Britain first? I actually think your allies in the MRA/TRA cohort are much more in line with Britain first. People disagreeing with you doesn't mean FWR is an echo chamber. Maybe it means you're wrong.

Signed. It also said I could contact my local mp about this. Not sure what to say though, anyone got a good email idea?

As soon as you compare an organisation as moderate, respectful, tame & decent as FPFW to Britain First, you expose yourself more clearly than a fully in tact transwoman in a female prison shower.

I've spent enough time on FWR to know FPFW is thought of as the "entry level" organisation, and A Woman's Place UK is the graduate level group who take things that little bit further.

I assume you know this too.

Moderate, respectful, tame and decent. Yeah, they take care not refer to trans people as parasites... Except when they totally refer to them as parasites, like, in meetings, with pictures and everything. Look at both of them, all hanging out together at the same meetings. Totally nothing to do with one another.

Do keep bumping Rat so more people sign.

You're no better than any other MRA who will grasp at any old straw to paint women's concerns as transphobic

Hilarious!

YOU are painting THIS woman's concerns as MISOGYNISTIC!!

I'm concerned you're fucking over women's rights by undermining the very principles of human rights and equality. How very dare I stand up for women's rights at its very foundation!

I've spent enough time on FWR to know FPFW is thought of as the "entry level" organisation, and A Woman's Place UK is the graduate level group who take things that little bit further.

What complete nonsense. You haven't got a clue. I assume you're thinking of WNTT, Mayday 4 Women or Standing for Women who are refreshingly uncompromising towards this male rights land grab. Unlike WP who don't call males men and think of some MTFs as pretty much women. I respect that's their view. It's all good, there are lots of different views.

Stop it ElectricMonkey, I'm afraid I'm far too thick skinned and self-aware for you to gaslight me so easily.

So many of you have tried over the course of this debate, and I hate to tell you I don't think it looks half as clever or convincing as you think it does.

How very dare I stand up for women's rights at its very foundation!

That would be good if you actually were doing that. But you aren't. Quite the reverse.

Have you never stopped for one moment to reflect on the fact that maybe all these people disagree with you not because you're a brave, brilliant, outspoken speaker of hard truths who's willing to go against the flow, but because you're wrong?

Yup.

Also i think if you're willing to centre males over women in the name of feminism then that is misogynistic and thats hardly standing up for women.

You're no better than any other MRA who will grasp at any old straw to paint women's concerns as transphobic, and to try and suggest that groups like FPFW are right wing intolerant otherwise why else are you trying to align them with Britain first?

What would be in that for her, sorry?

When I first came to this issue, I read lots of hyperbole & extremist language ascribed to groups such as Women's Place. I knew nothing about them but heard they'd received bomb threats. I assumed WP must be a really bad, transphobic hate group. I snort now, it's been a real eye opener to politics in general. I wasn't even apolitical before!

I met with local, long in the tooth feminists who told me women knit through WP meetings. I went home thinking, bad transphobic knitters. Fucking hell! Anyway, I got curious and started watching the videos. Omg! A month later i attended the Liverpool meeting. I was lied to on all sides, no knitting& no transphobia.

It was a lesson in how effective this dangerous Britain First rhetoric is. It works. Dickheads like me believe it at first. Others (most) will believe it to the end because they will swallow second hand beliefs.

I agree completely with kens last post

Youve no idea of the links and articles i havent read because someone i thought had good arguments and said some (some) sensible things, and seemed very moderate (like me) in their views said that the organisation was transphobic or akin to the nazis etc

Im thinking specifically of posters like daim, who actually said a lot of things i agreed with...at least at the start

Now obviously i read most stuff and i dont trust any poster

Everyone has an agenda, i was just daft for falling for some of them

Oh and i should say that the amount of links ive looked at and thought 'it doesnt say anything of the sort you muppet' are equally as innumerable

I hope that word means what i think it means...

I've spent enough time on FWR to know FPFW is thought of as the "entry level" organisation, and A Woman's Place UK is the graduate level group who take things that little bit further.

FairPlay for Women is run by Dr Nic Williams, the woman who exposed the fact that nearly half of all transwomen in prison are there for sex offences. She is exactly the person who predicted the likes of Karen White.

She has been persecuted relentlessly, as a result. She has recently been vindicated over accusations that her stats were false made by a TRA.

WPUK is run by socialist women who list five demands for the government to respond to. The demands uphold current law and ask for respectful debate. That's all they do.

womansplaceuk.org/our-5-demands/

Comparing them to Britain First is laughable. Anyone with a keyboard will see that for the drivel it is.

It's also immaterial. Parliament have been asked to review the situation in this petition. Any person wanting them to do more than that, is irrelevant. Parliament aren't going to suddenly say, but that's not what you really mean, is it? Therefore, no we won't review it.

Done

The parasite shtick again? Ya know, the videos are all up there on YouTube for everyone to see. Calling an ideology parasitic is not the same as calling individuals parasites.

Maybe clean out the nasty tra house before accusing feminists of not being nice enough. Bomb threats, rape threats, doxxing children, smoke bombing media offices...

We're talking about male rapist pedophiles being put in a women's prison and shockingly assaulting women there. But yeah, a woman was not nice enough, that's the real crime amirite?