AIBU to think you should sign this petition to ask the government to consult with women about Self ID?

[MIngerDynasty]

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

Your details remain private, I don't want to start yet another trans thread but I thnk we can all agree that there needs to be more discussion with the people affected by the changes in law!

If the Equality Act is doing its job why are there male rapists in prisons? Why are women being presented with a transwoman when requesting a female HCP carries out their smear? 'Legitimate aim' is open to interpretation it seems.

*That should say 'male rapists in female prisons

Also I am genuinely inviting suggestions from people as to what impact self-ID would potentially have. I really do want to hear what those are in case there really are any things that would change for women as a direct result of any changes to the GRC process.

It is giving credence to the idea that men and women are innately different in ways other than biology. (That they have different brains or souls or essence - however you wish to describe it).

It puts both men and women into arbitrary gender boxes which are harmful for all of society, not just women.

It is stitch, and that needs to be taken up with the people making that call in my opinion. On prisons, they do have to means to house a GRC holding transwoman in the male estate. They have to assess the risk she poses in the female estate and if they think it is too great they can house her elsewhere. They have a duty to keep women safe. We should be holding them to account on this, and if we feel they have failed women on any one instance or in general we should be taking our anger to their doors!

Rather than laying it at the feet of transpeople who wish the change their legal gender.

Thanks for bringing this to AIBU

Sorry jellyfizz I have to do the nursery run, but I'll be back!

If people can just 'self id' as men or women, how are we supposed to sort out things like male violence, rape etc? If we cant pinpoint who is carrying out these crimes, we can't go any way to solving them.

Isn't there already an issue with crime stats which claim that 6 women were convicted of rape last year, even though in the eyes of the law rape can only be committed by someone with a penis?

This shouldn't be a case of whoever shouts the loudest. Language matters. You can't just say you're something you're not and that be enshrined in law.

Well on that point I have to say it already is enshrined in law that you can be a legally recognised woman having been born a man. Personally I'm okay with that, but I don't think most people expect that to be repealed do they?

Yes, I'll rephrase: You can't just say you're something you're not without observing professional and legal processes and that be enshrined in law just on your say-so.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻Truscum

From what I understand it's been rejected by the government though and they're only proposing moving forwards with seld-ID.

I haven't seen any backing down on the original recommendations. Do you have any links?

We should be holding them to account on this, and if we feel they have failed women on any one instance or in general we should be taking our anger to their doors!

Women in the Labour party have attempted to have the law upheld on all women shortlists and have been called massive transphobes. See also anyone bringing up the unfairness in sports, health etc.

I'm a Swim Team Manger, and we have had some advice from Stonewall via Swim England

The term trans describes some people’s ‘gender identity’. We are assigned a sex at birth (male or female) but our gender identity is our
internal sense of our gender (male, female, something else). Our gender identity may, or may not, sit comfortably with the sex we are assigned at birth.
As a club administrator or activity coordinator, you are legally obliged
to protect against the discrimination and harassment of people on the
protected characteristics of sexual orientation and gender reassignment

So it can be argued that self ID seems to be protected characteristic, the same as sex.

In most situations, someone being trans won’t mean anything needs to change at all. The goal should be a positive experience for everyone at your club or session so be clear on what you are doing to support transinclusion from the outset.
The idea that you need to ask people to prove their gender when they join or start an activity is unnecessary, as well as off-putting for lots of trans people

"So, Miss 6ft 2in bearded swimmer, why are you coming in to change with my Under 12 girls team?"
-"Don't ask me, I'm a Lady!!!"

Signed
Thanks op

bump

Truscum - you mean like this chap calling himself Shirley? I don't think he would have called himself trans, though...

Signed. Thank you for the link OP.

Well done on the simple, clear and reasonable wording in the petition. Signed.

Thank you Truscum

I have already been personally affected by this. It is an issue and it will affect your average / every day woman.

Had a conversation with my lesbian daughter last night. I explained and showed her posts on twitter from a self acclaimed lesbian with a penis. She says but a lesbian doesn't have a penis. A lesbian has a vagina . Unless they wear a strap on then it's still not a real penis ( thank you daughter)

Signed, shared and shared again

Signed!

Fascinating & enlightening thread, thanks OP, thanks Truscum, signed.

And I'm sure that over 1300 people who have signed so far are concerned not transphobic

I've signed because self identification is stupid. Hth.

MNHQ used to say that threads to promote petitions were not allowed in any topic except 'Petitions'

But it seems that some petitions are treated differently.

Pity about double standards

Here's an example where the refuges aren't even waiting for the changes in the law.

If you'd been abused and raped by a man or men, would you really feel safe going somewhere for refuge where the staff could look and sound exactly like men, and still have a fully functional penis, but claim to be a woman? I worry that it might deter vulnerable women from seeking help:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/02/04/womens-refuges-set-to-overturn-ban-on-self-identifying-transgender-staff/