For those who haven't yet seen/ signed the petition for a 2nd Referendum..

[ParanoidGynodroid]

Here is the link:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

It may not do any good but, hey, it can't hurt.

Bangs head on wall.
The result is not legally binding so Parliament can do what it wants (well usually does anyway.)

Farage on referendum, May

As for leave lying well what about the remain crowd? WW3, Obama saying we'd be back of the queue buy yesterday he wants yo be our friend again. Junker saying it's OK to lie as sometimes it's the only way to get your point across, junker again saying we'd be ignored now he wants us as associate partners, everyone saying there would be tarrifs but German cbi saying they don't want tarrifs.
Oh and best one Alastair Campbell on Twitter saying leave lied, he off dodgy dossier and wmd's fame complaining about lies. You Goulding make it up.
Farage btw isn't even part of the official vote leave campaign but everyone's focuses on him. He's not even in govt.

Helsinki

Political suicide not to though?

Though Boris is now very deftly milking the new fears and doubts that the result has whipped up with his no need to rush schtick. He has played this brilliantly for his own ends.

My autocorrect is going crazy couldn't make it up not Goulding!

Both sides lied, we live in a democracy. UK voted out.
The End.

So what to what Farage said.

I sincerely hope that that his wish would have been ignored because overturning a democratic vote because you disagree, however sincerely with the outcome, sets a dangerous precedent.

I am confident that all those now calling for another vote would have soon pointed that out to him

ohtheholidays I am yet to hear of one credible reason from a leave voter as to why they voted leave so I would very much like to know what point you're making. Your post is very cryptic and I'm struggling to ascertain the fact you're making. Sorry, that's my bad, but I would appreciate you explaining your reasoning because I would genuinely like to know. Not in at all goady or shitty way.

The fact is the country is split, and when a country is split democracy needs to take a backseat and leadership needs to take control otherwise there will be half of a country up in arms; be that leavers or remainers. Another referendum with some cold hard facts and the whole immigration issue addressed properly is sensible. The U.K. can stay in the EU and have the immigration issues addressed, DC said he would be happy to renegotiate any immigration terms of that is what the sole purpose of leavers were voting for.

People keep saying 'we live in a democracy'.

We live in a parliamentary democracy. Parliament makes the decisions. The EU referendum was advisory.

There is more than one type of democracy. The original Athenian demokratia would be unrecognisable to us as a democracy today.

Thanks for the link Paranoid, I tried to sign last night but it took a bit of perserverence and another try due to having to click the link they send you back in your email (standard petition signing stuff)

Ooh, good one about the parliamentary democracy Liney, and the referendum being "advisory" .... a shred of hope there?
Personally I think 52/48 is pretty close. Too close to call I'd argue, especially considering the misinformation people were given during the campaign.

In my opinion there shouldn't have been a referendum in the first place as it is a very complex situation and clearly lots of people didn't understand the full ramifications of their vote. You can't force people to listen to experts. People will vote based on Farage's self-declared lies rather than listen to countless people with far more insight because he says what they want to hear and offers them hope of returning to this fictitious 'Great' Britain of yore. Everyone but Farage, Trump, Putin and Johnson warned the voting public how disastrous this would be. Now people can actually see the reality of how disastrous this is/will be, I think it is democratic to give the public another chance because I firmly believe that given the opportunity a majority would now vote remain, siding with world leaders and experts whilst having had the chance to show how dissatisfied they are with the status quo.

Juggling and Turtle

I think that noblegiraffe articulated it so well on another thread (the 'Remainers won't take it lying down' one):

"Those saying 'if remain had won, leavers wouldn't be calling for another referendum' have clearly missed what's going on in Scotland.

If it turns out that the vote which won was sold a lemon, then it seems a second in/out referendum is perfectly reasonable.

So leavers waking up to see their campaigners saying 'actually, the money won't go to the NHS, and immigration won't drop' and in fact there's no money anyway because the economy is screwed might be entirely justified in saying 'this isn't what we voted for'.

And of course Remainers waking up to a country which is being congratulated by Marine Le Pen and Donald Trump, with an economy in crisis and no one at the helm are going to cling to the thought that maybe, just maybe there's a way that this living nightmare can be wound back a little. Don't blame Remainers for being reluctant to accept a horrible situation."

I think a new referendum would be a good thing, if held at the appropriate time

Let the government and the EU come up with actual plans and cold hard facts about what the trade deals will be. Let economists get some actual data based on this. Let world leaders from outside the eu consider what this means in the face of the newly struck deals

Then give us actual facts, not propaganda and bullshit. Let us decide on a real basis. As in - you voted leave, this is what is actually going to happen. Are you happy to accept? Yes/no.

A second referendum now would be rather pointless.

And yes, I'm a remain voter.

I do understand the want for a second vote, it was very close and 28% of the population did not vote.

I think my concern is how some people would go about getting leave voters to change their mind. It has to remain fair and democratic. Some of the language I have seen since the vote has not filled me with confidence. I don't want not do I believe in a leave voter being abused with names or bombarded with remain shoved down their vote until they vote the same way if that makes sense.

That's why I agree with MardasSnails, I don't think another vote should have ASAP because it will be based on emotion and opinions and unlikely to change minds.

I think that's a sensible idea, MardasSnails.

it is a very complex situation and clearly lots of people didn't understand the full ramifications of their vote

Same can be said about any election

Even if we all were fully conversant with the ramifications there would be unforeseeable consequences which throw the whole picture completely

History only looks predictable iin hindsight

but to make sure those negotiating the exit are massively aware of the immense pro eu feeling in the country

Strange then that that wasn't reflected in the result. And I don't agree - as far as I can see Britain (politicians excepted) has always been eurosceptic.

HatHardOn it's cryptic because I'm not allowed to talk about it,posting about it on here at all could cause me dire concequences.

But I know for a fact that the urge to leave the EU control for this one paticular reason was the most immportant of all and it has nothing to do with immigration or money,but it has everything to do with keeping alot of people safe and honestly if the remain vote had won or they try to turn over the leave vote it will be a disaster for a larger number of people than the amount that won the leave vote by.

Sorry if this has already been said, but you have to click an email link to actually sign, so remember to check for it if your email account doesn't recognise the address or filters it out of the inbox.

I am sorry Ohtheholidays but if that was true, why leave it up to a referendum? Bit risky.

I was asked a question by another poster and I replied!I can't say anymore,not sure what you'd have liked me and all the other's that know about it all to have done.We are not allowed to engage with anyone anywhere about what was happening.

Possible conscription to a possible EU army? Yep I think all 28 member states will agree to that one

We are not allowed to engage with anyone anywhere about what was happening.

Don't tell me. European Army. Forced conscription to fight the Russian front. Tinfoil hats.