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Petition to take down Pro Anorexia Website

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BemusedMother · 17/01/2016 17:52

these websites do so much damage
There is a petition to take it down but it needs 10,000 and better still 100,000 to really be taken seriously.
Any UK resident or UK citizen living overseas can sign it
So in the interests of all those who suffer directly or indirectly from eating disorder, please can as many of you sign it and share it with friends.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/116648

At 10,000 signatures, government will respond to this petition

At 100,000 signatures, this petition will be considered for debate in Parliament

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BemusedMother · 18/01/2016 23:00

Pipistrella - if you are in favour of healthy debate - why not help encourwge this debate in Parliament?
In the real world, not the virtual one?

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OddSocksHighHeels · 18/01/2016 23:03

How exactly do you debate an illness?

The petition is wrong as it asks Parliament to debate pro-ana websites. It doesn't ask for anything to actually be done about treating ED's. That's the issue with it.

BemusedMother · 18/01/2016 23:09

The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.

Winston Churchill

Oddsocks - if the petition gets debated it MAY raise the profile of the illness, the inadequacy of support and numerous other associated issues

Airtime in Parliament MAY help

But for sure if it is not debated then it WILL achieve nothing.

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OddSocksHighHeels · 18/01/2016 23:12

If the petition was worded in a way about raising awareness then I would sign it. If you ask Parliament to debate websites then that's what they'll debate. And that will not help.

All the "pessimism" on this thread has come from those with ED's or those whose DC have had ED's. Think why that might be.

And, again, remember who sets up these sites. People with ED's. They don't need punishing.

BemusedMother · 18/01/2016 23:45

So will you do something positive or just shout down the petitioner's (not my) best effort?

Do you claim the moral high ground?

The petition was brought to my attention by someone who is anorexic with a request to support it ..

And as I am also a relative of someone still on the way down, I do support it.

I know these websites make it hard for some

And I will support it and I hope others will too.

It's not perfect but just perhaps it's good enough to make a difference?

Or would be if it gets to 100,000 signatures?

Shout it down if you like, I won't - because it might, just might, make a difference.

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OddSocksHighHeels · 18/01/2016 23:55

Will I do something positive as in set up my own petition? No. My life is, quite frankly, too exhausting for me to do that. I can't put energy into doing anything right now.

Not sure what you mean about moral high ground either. You're starting to sound extremely patronising and I'm struggling to keep myself composed in replying.

It isn't good enough to make a difference. If a petition asked for better awareness or more education or looking at funding then I would sign it in a heartbeat. This is asking to look at websites and will not make a slight bit of difference.

BemusedMother · 19/01/2016 00:03

Odd socks - you have the energy to shout it down

I too don't have time to start something but if the petition has a hope of getting airtime in Parliament for anorexia then I will support it.

As I said, it might - just might - make a difference if it gets to 100,000 signatures and gets debated.

So for anyone who wants to support that chance (and what's to lose?) then please comment on this thread, share it on social media and via email.

Why not?

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OddSocksHighHeels · 19/01/2016 00:10

You're really pushing me now. This is the last post I'll make on this thread before I lose it. You don't know me, don't talk about my energy to "shout it down" and assume that means I have it in me to set up my own petition. You have no fucking clue about me.

What's to lose? Criminalising the people that set these sites up ie people with ED's that you profess to care so much about. Asking for a debate on websites is NOT asking for a debate on support for ED's.

Pipistrella · 19/01/2016 07:35

God BM you sound like a bleddy car salesman.

I think it's fair to say that the stance you're taking (it might not be much use but hey, guys, sign it anyway!) will get you precisely nowhere on Mumsnet.

I have some sympathy with those who have posted from a position of personal experience with anorexia and support the petition.

Most people on this thread, however, who have said they have personal experience of it (and I'm not talking about a family member or friend, I'm talking about having it yourself) have disagreed with the petition in its present form.

It's not a statistically accurate measurement but it ought to give you an idea, at least.

Personally I don't give a stuff about the websites, and I don't want anorexia debated in parliament thank you - it's a personal issue and not a public one. There's not an awful lot that parliament can do about it IMO.

Pipistrella · 19/01/2016 07:38

And please don't ask people to sign it 'in the interests of those who suffer from anorexia'.

It's certainly not something I want signed in my name, and I find that wording presumptuous and offensive.

NeedAScarfForMyGiraffe · 19/01/2016 07:52

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RancidOldHag · 19/01/2016 07:59

"Is a petition that could get support for anorexia debated in Parliament not itself worth supporting?"

Yes, that might be.

But this petition isn't that. It asks for the criminalising of certain websites (unspecified but pro-anorexia).

yuckie · 19/01/2016 08:59

It is being presented by a parent on a parents website asking for parents to sign.I sympathise with sufferers on here who have suffered or are suffering from this illness. I think you will see that there are 7-8 posters on here and about half are pro this petition. One of the posters asks why all the talk about mums? That is because the recognised gold standard of treatment with the highest success rates, and currentlt being rolled out across Scotland is FBT. This it not Family therapy - it is Family Based Therapy - which is a method that puts mums and dads firmly in the driving seat to try to treat at home. It is a tough road but for the lives of children it is always worth it. I don't expect a 27 year old who suffered as a teen to try understand the devastating natures of these sites as they were not as prolific back then. Instead of arguing why don't the non-supporters move on - so much effort in trying to stop something that might effect change instead of doing something about something. Young girls and boys are being hurt by these sites. The petition is over 4k less than 3 weeks after starting it which is great. Long may it continue.

Pipistrella · 19/01/2016 09:17

I don't see any of us trying to stop what you're doing. We're just not actively supporting it. That's not the same thing at all.

Pipistrella · 19/01/2016 09:23

I also don't get where you are finding your 'half' who support the petition.

I have read through it again; eight people, I think, have declared personal experience of having an eating disorder. One of them has supported the petition.

yuckie · 19/01/2016 16:50

Well - if that makes you happy...

Pipistrella · 19/01/2016 17:48

What?

BemusedMother · 19/01/2016 18:49

To those who don't wish to support the petition - that's your choice, of course.

But I'm posting to keep this thread going so that anyone who sees the thread will be made aware of the petition and thus will be in a position support it if they wish to.

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BemusedMother · 19/01/2016 19:38

And scarf, I know rather more about anorexia than you think.
I wish I didn't.

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NeedAScarfForMyGiraffe · 19/01/2016 19:45

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BemusedMother · 19/01/2016 19:48

One thing for those who may wish to sign.

Your name will NOT show - it tracks by area but names are not published.

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Pipistrella · 19/01/2016 20:14

I wouldn't bother Scarfy, it's not worth it.

makeadifference123 · 20/01/2016 13:03

I am the mother of an 18 year old girl who nearly lost her life to Anorexia. She lost more than 2 years of her life as she became ill when almost 16 and had to come out of school with all that follows on from that . She has paid a huge price in many ways on her health but she is alive and for that we are all grateful .She is now working hard at recovery.

There is not a lot I don't know, from a parents perspective on this illness.I meet regularly with expert professionals in this field, am part of a supportive network of parents of ill children, and my own recovering daughter involves me in what she has experienced and the experiences of many of her peer group, both ill, in recovery, and occasionally, recovered.

The use of these sites was very much part of her illness and those of her friends. They fan up, encourage and motivate young people to starve themselves, give advice on dangerous 300 cals per day diets, tutorials on how to vomit, advice on how to abuse laxatives, psychologically abuse fragile vulnerable young people with taunts of being "to weak to starve properly" and so on. They give advice on "how to be a better (ie stricter) anorexic. The charity BEAT, who do amazing work have cited research on how these sites are increasingly linked with pornography (another poster mentioned this correctly) as they show pictures of very ill young women in various stages of undress. There are some very sick people out there.

I can repeat, that my daughter and many of those she knows , lived on these sites for THINSPIRATION. It is not easy to be anorexic - you are in fact hungry - but you are eventually too sick to take food and efforts by parents and professionals to help are compromised by these sites. This is now an issue that did not exist 15 years ago - the sites I mean.

I am signing this petition because something has to be done. Internet providers will not host them if they are not allowed to France has banned these sites and Italy are currently campaigning to have them stopped. Yes, it will drive them underground perhaps - this is what happened with child pornography, sites that encourage suicide etc, but much better that, than right in the face of our vulnerable young people.

It could happen to you, it could happen to anyone. It hit us like a train.

Please help bring this issue to the fore by signing - from one mother to another It will highlight the issue of Eating Disorders generally with the government and help make a start on improving treatment options, funding, etc. In a way, that fact that the petition might be slightly comtroversial is a good thing - gets more attentions and hopefully headlines.

I nearly lost my daughter. I am still trying to rebuild myself too after the experience but I am one of the lucky ones .Let's help stop this happening.

BemusedMother · 20/01/2016 20:59

Amazing post, thank you for sharing - makeadifference - and hoping for long term sustained recovery for your DD.

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makeadifference123 · 23/01/2016 16:21

This petition is still growing. Share it please and help make a difference.

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