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It's ARSE! 🇬🇧

203 replies

BlowDryRat · 14/07/2024 08:17

Unless you're American, in which case it's "ass".

OP posts:
ODFOx · 14/07/2024 16:21

Surely, surely, it depends on context.
When I was a child there was a ventriloquist's dummy called Lord something who would call people a 'Silly Arse'. The joke was that it was fake 'poshness' which extended the word ass (correct in that context) into arse.
Thus: arsehole/butthole/anus are synonymous.
An ass is a donkey: famously stubborn and does stupid/foolish things.
So, behaving like an ass and being an arsehole may be synonymous. Further is it very common to shorten phrases in English, so, as language mutates and grows, perhaps, in some contexts, it is entirely correct to use arse and ass interchangeably.
On reflection, I think that we English sometimes use ass and arse interchangeably to mean ass, whereas American English (and those English people who embrace American culture to the detriment of our own, use ass and arse interchangeably to mean arse.

So 'stick it up your arse' becomes 'stick it up your ass (donkey)': a phrase that makes me smile every timeGrin.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 14/07/2024 16:27

TimeandMotion · 14/07/2024 14:15

I think you are getting mixed up with “attorney”. Lawyer is the umbrella term for solicitors and barristers/advocates. It’s absolutely standard use in every law firm in the UK.

Edited

I stand corrected! I recall seeing a poster using the term lawyer being rounded to use 'solicitor' as the proper term.

It is odd because thinking of it, 'lawyerly' is very much a word used in English, or I'm certainly familiar with it.

My comment about pedants' corner wasn't for you post, it was for the earlier ones making the thread very much in the vein of 'unpopular opinions', which I loathe.

marshmallowfinder · 14/07/2024 17:16

JaneJeffer · 14/07/2024 13:23

How do you say things like it's gotten very hot then?

It's got very hot, or, it's become very hot.

SerendipityJane · 14/07/2024 17:20

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 14/07/2024 16:27

I stand corrected! I recall seeing a poster using the term lawyer being rounded to use 'solicitor' as the proper term.

It is odd because thinking of it, 'lawyerly' is very much a word used in English, or I'm certainly familiar with it.

My comment about pedants' corner wasn't for you post, it was for the earlier ones making the thread very much in the vein of 'unpopular opinions', which I loathe.

How about "attorney" ?

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 14/07/2024 17:22

No not Americanaphobia. This is pedants' corner where you are allowed to come to express distate at using language incorrectly or inappropriately.

Yes, and people are also allowed to disagree with you.

Maybe as you are not British you didn't understand what the word pedant meant so I would forgive you that.

How magnanimous.

People who are actually knowledgeable about language tend to have a more dispassionate, intellectually curious and less judgmental and pearl-clutching attitude to variations in usage. I suppose that's probably why they don't tend to hang out in Pedants' Corner very often.

marshmallowfinder · 14/07/2024 17:22

Devilsmommy · 14/07/2024 13:09

I'm English and use gotten 🤷

Well, please don't! Got is fine.

blacksax · 14/07/2024 17:31

ramonaquimby · 14/07/2024 09:50

Wow, such dislike for expressions. Language evolves. I'm not British, my kids have grown up with me saying lots of these and others which they say now too.
americanophobia anyone?

You're not British. So perhaps you don't quite grasp why people who are British get wound up about other nations changing the English language to suit themselves and then sending their version back here to usurp ours.

We know language evolves. We just don't particularly want Americanisms (or other Forrinisms) evolving it for us and overriding our culture.

The French get equally cheesed off about other words entering their language.

JaneJeffer · 14/07/2024 17:43

Wow so clueless @blacksax

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 14/07/2024 17:58

You're not British. So perhaps you don't quite grasp why people who are British get wound up about other nations changing the English language to suit themselves and then sending their version back here to usurp ours.

I am British though. You do realise the Americans aren't forcing Brits to use Americanisms? Brits are choosing to use them of their own free will, I'm afraid. Usurping Grin.

ramonaquimby · 14/07/2024 18:00

blacksax · 14/07/2024 17:31

You're not British. So perhaps you don't quite grasp why people who are British get wound up about other nations changing the English language to suit themselves and then sending their version back here to usurp ours.

We know language evolves. We just don't particularly want Americanisms (or other Forrinisms) evolving it for us and overriding our culture.

The French get equally cheesed off about other words entering their language.

blacksax
Wasn't going to come back to this but got an email alert saying I'd been quoted (must stop checking emails on a sunny Sunday afternoon...)
I think the thing that stands out is this feeling of superiority, of never wanting to change and keep things quintessentially British. I mean the world is a small place, people travel, they bring back stuff including expressions and ways of talking. Cultures intersect, people borrow bits they like, and on it goes. Do you really believe that other nations are changing the English language to suit themselves, that they try to usurp 'your' version? That's quite a stretch.

It's not often that I've felt unwelcome in the UK since I moved here 20 years, but some of the posts on this thread smacks of an us and them mentality.

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 14/07/2024 18:07

I'm with you on the arse/ass thing OP. I hate ass - makes me cringe .

BarHumbugs · 14/07/2024 18:23

This has just made me think of the film (not movie) Sliding Doors where one of the characters refers to 'class 1' drugs, not 'class A'. It's always annoyed me because it's a British film with British characters and it's said by a British actor.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 14/07/2024 18:51

AlienShmalien · 14/07/2024 10:30

Unless you're Irish, in which case it's fillum.

😂

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 14/07/2024 18:55

chippylips · 14/07/2024 13:45

I mean language travels. I watched an interview with Jon Bongiovi where he repeatedly said "shite" not shit, shite. That's not an Americanism but he's so welcome to it. Made me love him even more

My adult American niece adores ‘up the duff’ (pregnant) - or rather it was ‘oop the doof’ when she first heard it from a northern UK cousin. 😂

SerendipityJane · 14/07/2024 19:19

A few Amercanisms are actually fossilised Briticisms. Fall and sidewalk spring to mind.

Oh, and "check",

Also "z" instead of "s" is fine. The Goddess Susie Dent herself says so ...

Dr13Hadley · 14/07/2024 19:21

It's
"I wrote to my mum"

Not
"I wrote my mum"

Doesn't even make sense. Not that anyone writes anymore, but still. I feel better now.

marshmallowfinder · 14/07/2024 19:22

Oh god, that reminds me of all this 'paycheck' talk. We don't have paychecks in the UK. Maybe a pay cheque, although that would be rare. The guff that people spout, thinking it makes them sound cool.🙄

logicisall · 14/07/2024 19:27

baroqueandblue · 14/07/2024 09:48

Hi!

(not "Hey" 🙄)

Isn't it both?

Hey! You in the front, you're blocking the view. Sit down!

Hi! What are you up to today?

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 14/07/2024 19:29

It's
"I wrote to my mum"

Not
"I wrote my mum"
Doesn't even make sense.

It makes sense if that's the way it's said in your language/dialect. Some verbs take prepositions, some pretty comparable ones don't. There's not necessarily much rhyme or reason to it. After all, you say 'I emailed my mum', 'I texted my mum', 'I phoned my mum', without any need for a 'to'.

BlowDryRat · 14/07/2024 19:32

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 14/07/2024 18:55

My adult American niece adores ‘up the duff’ (pregnant) - or rather it was ‘oop the doof’ when she first heard it from a northern UK cousin. 😂

My American colleague loves the word "wanker". He says it's the best British insult, along with "dickhead".

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LifeofBrienne · 14/07/2024 19:34

To continue the theme of the OP, I dislike ‘poop’. It sounds much more twee than ‘poo’.

I’m not 100% confident on this second one, but is ‘wee’ only used in the UK? I feel like it’s losing ground to ‘pee’.

BiscuityBoyle · 14/07/2024 19:36

I agree with the dislike of poop now overtaking poo.

NewGreenDuck · 14/07/2024 19:37

I agree with you 100% . It's arse. And the other American word that annoys me is, wait for it....
Burglarized.
It's burgled, for crying out loud!

Babbahabba · 14/07/2024 19:38

I'm in Lancashire and "gotten" is commonly used.

Wishimaywishimight · 14/07/2024 19:39

Reminds me of the Fawlty Towers episode with the americans - the american said "butt", Basil couldn't bring himself to use the word, saying "bottom" instead 😄