Two-word tautologies

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Please post more examples.

It was 7am in the morning

Pre order is ok, but pre book?

I came on to say this. I gave it as an example of a tautology to an old boss who corrected me, saying that one can have other types of colleague, for eg someone who is in the same parkrun group as you would be a running colleague. He was a wanker though. And wrong.

@KimberleyClark

I wouldn't use pre-book!

Apple cider vinegar. It is cider vinegar.
Cider is made from the juice of crushed apples left to ferment, nothing else. And cider vinegar is made from cider. (and sometimes a vinegar 'mother', or starter, but this isn't always necessary. )
It's like saying grape wine vinegar but even worse, as 'wine' may also refer to alcohol fermented from other fruits. (Or vegetables. Shudder.) This is incorrect in my view but I think I've lost on that one. At least we don't say 'grape wine vinegar.' Yet.
Apart from the tautology, it seems to be an Americanism which is everywhere at the moment -- the Guardian had a whole piece on it last week, mostly bollocks and anecdotal of course.
And all this seems to suggest that fancy 'apple cider vinegar' is somehow better than plain old cider vinegar, which it isn't.

The extra oddity of this particular Americanism is that 'apple cider' there is just apple juice. Actual cider is 'hard cider'. So maybe they should call it 'hard cider vinegar' ?

@ErrolTheDragon OK., that's weird, but thank you.
What is the difference, if any, between apple juice and 'apple cider'?

Is apple juice, (a kids' drink?) sweeter, but 'apple cider' is not?
And as you say, 'apple cider vinegar' is not strictly accurate either, by their own definition!

I think it means fresh unfiltered 'cloudy' juice.

In the US, there are two types of apple cider, non-alcoholic and "hard" cider, which is fermented. Apple juice, which is filtered and unfermented, is different than both kinds of cider.

Different from not different than. This is Pedants Corner.

It isn't a pre order, it's a back order.

Pedants'.

Great thread ( that's not the tautology!)

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And the "c" in corner is lower case, according to MN style.

Really? Surely both words should be capitalised or neither, to be consistent.
And 'MN style' is not obligatory or set in stone.

Isn't "two-word tautology" somewhat tautological in itself?

A tautology can be expressed in a statement of more than two words. My favorite is the quotation attributed to the American baseball player Yogi Berra: "It's like deja vu all over again."

Muphry's Law strikes again.

I'm enjoying this marketplace. What chaos! Such fun! 😂😂

[That's not my part of the offerings - hate this term].

Ignore the 'my'. Typo.

The one that's annoying me currently is: 'lived experience'.

I'm puzzled as to how you can have any sort of experience without living through it.

@EyelessArseFace

I've only heard people use 'back-order' when they have ordered something that is temporarily out of stock, not for something that is not yet available to buy.

People can have vicarious experiences, especially through reading or listening to a good story teller.

All the ones you visit before you go to your final one (in the sky).

No matter how good the story teller, if you're reading, or hearing about someone else's experience it's not something you're experiencing. It's someone else's experience you're hearing or reading about.