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Two-word tautologies

239 replies

MoleAtTheCounter · 12/04/2023 11:48

Past history
Free gift
Aromatic smell
Mass exodus (a BBC favourite)

Please post more examples.

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PedantScorner · 22/06/2023 16:09

@ColonelNobbyNobbs , yes, that's right.

MoleAtTheCounter · 22/06/2023 16:11

Thank you both, I understand now.

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littlequestion · 23/06/2023 22:18

Self-isolation

PedantScorner · 23/06/2023 22:46

@littlequestion , is that a two-word tautology?

littlequestion · 23/06/2023 23:06

Ok then- self isolation

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 24/06/2023 07:46

But you can isolate someone else. Schools have isolation units for the purpose.

PedantScorner · 24/06/2023 10:11

@littlequestion , it's still not tautological.

Random789 · 25/06/2023 07:49

'The reason is because ...'
Younger MNers might not realise that this formulation is relatively new. It crept in somewhere around the 90s. Before that, everyone said 'This reason is that ...'

There is no need for 'because' because 'the reason' for X already contains the idea that X is true on account of whatever reason is specified.

The reason that I went to the shop was that I needed bread = fine

The reason that I went to the shop was because I needed bread = not fine.

Literally, what you are saying when you add 'because' is that I needed bread is the cause of the reason, rather than actually being the reason. (Which is particularly irksome if you are a Kantian because in Kant's view reason is the only thing that is uncaused. But that's another issue)

Random789 · 25/06/2023 07:55

I also hate the warning in front of TV programmes "Content contains ... [e.g. sex, swearing, etc]. Not strictly a tautology, but still an unnecessary double use of the same concept. The 'content' is 'that which the programme contains'. The programme is the container. Why, then, describe its contents as [sub]containers of their own content. Bizarre and ontologically extravagant.
Why not say 'Programme contains ...' or 'Contents include ...' Angry

pigsDOfly · 25/06/2023 16:23

Apologies if someone has already mentioned: comprises of.

It cropped up several times in a book I was reading recently; it's very irritating.

Fairislefandango · 25/06/2023 16:44

[on the train] "We are approaching our final destination"

What other sort can there be?

I'm not so sure about that one. Is the definition of 'destination' 'the final place you're going to' ot just 'a place you're going to'? I think it's the latter, which means that you can have multiple destinations en route to your final destination.

JenniferBarkley · 26/06/2023 06:59

Fairislefandango · 25/06/2023 16:44

[on the train] "We are approaching our final destination"

What other sort can there be?

I'm not so sure about that one. Is the definition of 'destination' 'the final place you're going to' ot just 'a place you're going to'? I think it's the latter, which means that you can have multiple destinations en route to your final destination.

Exactly. Every train station is a destination on that journey.

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 26/06/2023 09:59

‘Final destination’ sounds a bit ominous though.

JenniferBarkley · 26/06/2023 10:41

Agree with you there Grin

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 26/06/2023 15:09

That reminds me ‘station stop’ always sounds wrong to me. I mean a train can stop between stations but it’s surely understood that they only announce scheduled stops. I think ‘destination’ would be an odd way to refer to every stop, though.

Babdoc · 26/06/2023 15:15

“Return back” always annoys me. To “return” means to “come back”, so return back means to come back back. Bloody stupid.

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 26/06/2023 16:00

And ‘reply back’.

pigsDOfly · 06/07/2023 19:58

Bit late in the day but had to add the very annoying: 'hence why'.

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 07/07/2023 07:08

And ‘equally as’

Konfetka · 09/07/2023 15:42

Faroe Islands

Konfetka · 09/07/2023 15:48

And of course the River Avon.

unnumber · 09/07/2023 15:54

WhatWouldJeevesDo · 26/06/2023 09:59

‘Final destination’ sounds a bit ominous though.

Yes. I always start hearing "Final Countdown" in my head at that announcement. I think trains should play it, actually :)

unnumber · 09/07/2023 16:01

I don't mind most such things - lots of set phrases and common usage. But I am driven to fury by the trailer for "The Crown" which Netflix insists on showing me constantly. King dies, clipped vowels, self-restraint, and "let's not over-complicate things unnecessarily", suggests the new Elizabeth II.

I am supposed to admire her stoicism and her strength of character, but all I can think is no! Drop the "over" or the "unnecessarily". Every day ...

ErrolTheDragon · 09/07/2023 16:21

Konfetka · 09/07/2023 15:48

And of course the River Avon.

There are lots of 'hill hill' - 'Torpenhow Hill' is rather spoilt by there not really being a hill there.

Wiki of course has this.... enjoy,Grin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listofftautologicalplaceenames