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How do you pronounce turmeric?

217 replies

inshitsville · 10/04/2023 22:59

TER-muh-rik?

CHOOM-rik?

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Dassams · 11/04/2023 10:18

Do those saying Choo - mer - Ik also say

Turn as Choon?

Turnip as Choonip?

sashh · 11/04/2023 10:20

Haldi here as well.

shakeitoffsis · 11/04/2023 10:26

Chew mer Ic

Ontopofthesunset · 11/04/2023 10:44

As a couple of other people have said, the toomerick/choomerick pronunciation has come about because people have misread the word and haven't noticed the 'r'; they're reading 'tumeric', not 'turmeric', and so pronouncing it like 'tumour' and 'tuba'. Whereas in fact it is spelt and pronounced like 'turnip' and 'turn'.

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 11/04/2023 10:46

Dassams · 11/04/2023 10:18

Do those saying Choo - mer - Ik also say

Turn as Choon?

Turnip as Choonip?

No, they wouldn't. They'd do it with words like tune, Tuesday, etc. Words where there's a /t/ and a /u:/ but a semi vowel /j/ in the middle of the two.

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 11/04/2023 10:47

Ontopofthesunset · 11/04/2023 10:44

As a couple of other people have said, the toomerick/choomerick pronunciation has come about because people have misread the word and haven't noticed the 'r'; they're reading 'tumeric', not 'turmeric', and so pronouncing it like 'tumour' and 'tuba'. Whereas in fact it is spelt and pronounced like 'turnip' and 'turn'.

Yes, I'd imagine that's how it developed.

jaqueandjill · 11/04/2023 10:49

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 11/04/2023 10:11

In most, if not all, Scottish English variants (and others) R is always pronounced wherever it is in a word. It's called a rhotic accent. In much of the rest of the UK the accent is non-rhotic which means that R after a vowel but before a consonant is generally not pronounced.
So, in my non-rhotic accent I don't pronounce the first R in turmeric, but I do pronounce the second one as it's between 2 vowels. Rhotic accents pronounce both.

OK but that's not what I asked - it was said that ir/er/ur aren't homophones in Scottish.

In a Scottish accent, how do fir / fur / fer sound different to each other? As stand alone words, not within longer words where the rhotic accent would affect pronunciation

SwedishEdith · 11/04/2023 10:55

Yes, I remember noticing the r in it. In the 80s, people were probably seeing it on menus and reading it quickly. It certainly wasn't a spice my mum bought so people were probably just copying what they'd heard someone else say.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 11/04/2023 10:59

Why would Tur be pronounced Ter?

Do you not pronounce 'turd' with the same middle sound as 'were'?

I think it's a bit of a red herring here as to how people pronounce the 'tur' part, according to their accent, as (as I understand it) the question was basically whether you pronounce the 'r' in any way or ignore it and reframe the the word as though there were no (first) 'r' there at all.

I never understand why this commonly happens with February too.

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 11/04/2023 11:02

jaqueandjill · 11/04/2023 10:49

OK but that's not what I asked - it was said that ir/er/ur aren't homophones in Scottish.

In a Scottish accent, how do fir / fur / fer sound different to each other? As stand alone words, not within longer words where the rhotic accent would affect pronunciation

Ah, sorry.
I'm not Scottish so not sure about how fur/fir would be different as they'd seem to both have the same long vowel and the rhotic R. The vowel in Fernando is a short vowel though so that would be different (although it's a non English word to begin with which might muddy the waters a bit!) (both Spanish and Italian vowels would be slightly longer than an English short one, acoustically, and slightly shorter than an English long one!)

PurpleParrotfish · 11/04/2023 11:12

Joining the club, I now really want to know what Scottish pronunciation of er, ir and ur is if they aren’t homophones! We need the ability to attach audio files as well as pictures on this site…

I only recently realised that in most US accents Mary, merry and marry are pronounced identically.

ErrolTheDragon · 11/04/2023 11:17

Quite funny how this thread seems to have more discussion of ter/tur (surely fgs everyone knows some British people have rhotic accents and some don't?) but less about how the heck 'tur' can be pronounced 'choo'. Grin(I grew up in Essex so know it happens but it's odd!)

Dassams · 11/04/2023 11:17

Why would Tur be pronounced Ter?

It might be in some English accents?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 11/04/2023 11:22

Whatever your accent, does anybody (speaking English) ever call the things hanging next to your windows 'KEW-tuhns'?!

Dassams · 11/04/2023 11:24

Or Chootans?Grin

Softoprider · 11/04/2023 11:24

Double ditto on Haldi but then I call Cardamom - Elaiti and Coriander is Cotomili and Cumin is Jeera. I am English btw but my husband was from elsewhere and these names just stuck .. a bit like old friends :)

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 11/04/2023 11:26

Or Chootans?

They just sound like Doctor Who baddies Grin

Lougle · 11/04/2023 11:26

It's Ter for me (South East). I have the same sound for fir, fur, and fer(ment) But my Dad (Scottish) has different sounds for each.

JassyRadlett · 11/04/2023 11:33

I'm now slightly more obsessed with the idea that turtle and tertle aren't homophones in some accents. I'd never noticed it before but I can hear it in my head now.

For the record, I say it with a 'tur' that rhymes with 'fur' and 'cur'. Non-rhotic but I would imagine most rhotics would rhyme it with fur and cur in their accents?

SinisterKnitter · 11/04/2023 11:36

Term'rick

LizzieAnt · 11/04/2023 11:39

jaqueandjill · 11/04/2023 10:49

OK but that's not what I asked - it was said that ir/er/ur aren't homophones in Scottish.

In a Scottish accent, how do fir / fur / fer sound different to each other? As stand alone words, not within longer words where the rhotic accent would affect pronunciation

I'm Irish so also have a rhotic accent.
Fir/fur/fer all have different vowel sounds to me. From what a pp said I gather the difference comes about because I pronounce the r and many English accents don't.
So in the same way til, tul and tel have different vowel sounds, or fig, feg and fug do, fir, fer and fur have different vowel sounds in my accent.

LizzieAnt · 11/04/2023 11:47

And I'm guessing the vowel in fir, fur and fer is a schwa for non-rhotic accents?

HeadacheEarthquake · 11/04/2023 11:53

Dassams · 11/04/2023 08:23

How do people get from Tur to Choo??

Same way they'd get choo from Tuesday

Dassams · 11/04/2023 12:08

But @HeadacheEarthquake

Tue makes Choo - I get that

Tur does not?!Confused

dementedpixie · 11/04/2023 12:08

But is the Choo sound in Tuesday not from having Tue rather than Tu?

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