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Roopoo · 03/08/2009 09:10

Hi
I have posted before about a couple of things but just wondered when I can expect to start enjoying being a mummy.
I really don't enjoy it... I don't think Im very good at it to be fair.. I don't really enjoy playing with her and the sound of her crying and screaming (which she does a lot of I have posted about this) fills me with despair....

I had high hopes for motherhood and feel a little bit cheated... I feel very resentful for a life that I loved that I will never get back again........
I have ok days and then bad days...

I do love her.... But if I knew then what I know now I don't think I would have had a child... People ask me when Im planning the next one and the thought of it makes me feel all cold and sick...

DH loves it all... he finds her amazing and they are smitten with each other... Maybe it's me.... I just wondered if it all got easier after a certain age??? She is 15 weeks.....

Sometimes when I think about my life and the way I feel... and I wonder if it will ever get better and when I think that it won't I just want to go to bed and never have to wake up...

I was soo happy before I became a mum.. The life and soul of the party... now I seem to follow my DH round like a shadow with tears in my eyes...

Please don't tell me I have PND as I don't think I do....

Please don't flame me for feeling this way, I just wondered if maybe when they get to 6 months they stop the constant screaming and fighting sleep and life becomes a little easier......

I had such high hopes and dreams of being a mummy... It's all I ever wanted...

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MIFLAW · 03/08/2009 11:22

Roopoo

It's sounding a bit like part of your problem is you're expecting things to happen at certain dates and, when they don't, you are feeling discouraged. All changes, even the big ones like walking and talking, are gradual, and the timing will vary from baby to baby.

Before my daughter was born I had real worries about whether I would be a great parent or not. What helped me - and i mean this, I'm not just being flippant - was to think, "I know some genuinely stupid people from my home town. A lot of them have kids and even they've managed not to kill/injure/lose their babies. Surely, if they can do it, then I can be at least an adequate parent." And I can. Every day I am at least adequate, and some days I'm great. But knowing that adequate is enough helps with the being great, if you see what I mean.

iwouldgoouttonight · 03/08/2009 11:38

Sorry for making you cry! But hope it helped. I've just tried to find posts I wrote on here when DS was a baby but I can't find them (think I might have changed my name because I felt ashamed of not liking spending time with my baby), but I remember sitting in tears reading everyone's replies and realising I'm not the only one to feel like this.

Have you got friends or family near by? My parents live nearby and although I'm close to my mum I've never felt as though I can tell her about feeling down or as though I'm not coping, but just going round to see her every so often and letting her do a bit of the rocking to sleep, feeding, or whatever just helps take the pressure off a bit.

I've always found structured baby groups, e.g. sing and sign, swimming, baby massage, etc much easier than ones where you just turn up and everyone sits around chatting. If you could find one or two to go to during the summer it might help. And even if you felt shy it doesn't matter if you don't talk to anyone because everyone is watching the 'teacher' anyway. Some of them are quite expensive so I went to some at the library, Sure Start centres, etc.

Also I put DD in a creche at the gym a few times too - if you don't fancy doing any exercise you could just sit and have a coffee for an hour, just so you feel as though you're not tied to DD all the time.

One of my friends also thinks she had PND, although it wasn't officially diagnosed. She didn't actually talk about it at the time, but when she felt better she realised how down she'd been. She said as her DH walked out of the door to work in the morning she just felt complete despair, stood at the top of the stairs looking forward to a day of her baby crying and screaming, and just wanted to fall down the stairs. She said she never would have done it but it just shows how people can feel down without anyone else knowing about it. To look at her at the time I had no idea she was feeling like that, she seemed really happy and as though she was coping really well.

So its probably a more common feeling than you think, keep talking to your HV about it. I found just talking about all the stupid little worries and things that went round in my head really helped. And keep talking on here, that really helped me too.

Good luck, it gets easier every day but you don't realise it at the time.

Roopoo · 03/08/2009 11:57

Thanks again... There is a class at the library I was thinking of going to....

My parents and my sister are nearby but we are a very "stiff upper lip - jolly hocky sticks type of family if that makes sense" and I don't think they would understand or sympathise with the way that I am feeling...

To be honest did me good to come and vent... I can put down here how bad Im feeling - it's almost like therapy and then get on with the day feeling like I have got a bit of it off my chest... Probably makes no sense whatsoever

I remember when I asked hubby if he would consider putting up DD for adoption when I was feeling really bad a few weeks ago... I just couldn't see a way out... So I'm guessing that Im feeling better than I did.....

It's a shitter though, probably doesnt help that Im a bit of a perfectionist.....

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iwouldgoouttonight · 03/08/2009 12:16

I'm a bit of perfectionist too - I feel more comfortable with a bit of routine so I feel as though I'm in control, and with a new baby there is no apparent routine, even if you try to make one and it feels as though you have no control!

With our second baby I've tried to be a bit more relaxed and she has got herself into her own routine without me really doing anything, and I've tried to be less of a perfectionist. For example, with DS I didn't want him to have a dummy (not sure why now!) but with DD I gave her one straight away to help calm her down rather than having to keep rocking her. And with DS we tried to put him into his cot and expected him to just sleep happily there and then got all upset when he wouldn't. With DD I let her have naps wherever she fell asleep, and sometimes let her sleep with us in the evenings and then transfer her to her cot later. And now she's six months she'll happily sleep in her cot so it made no difference that we didn't try to make her do it earlier.

[whispers] I asked DP if we could give DS to his brother and SIL as he was trying for a baby and I didn't want ours! Looking at DS now I can't believe I ever felt that way!

artifarti · 03/08/2009 12:40

I'm guessing if you're a perfectionist, you are also a bit of a control freak (in the nicest possible way!) DP and I are both like that and had always 'controlled' everything swimmingly and then along came this creature that simply wouldn't do what we wanted it to do, when we wanted - it was a biiiigg shock! But they do start to fall into a routine and it really helped me - still helped me - to have a loose plan for each day. So I know that when he wakes up from his first nap, we'll go to the shops/park/baby group/ friends' house and likewise for the afternoon. It's physically more knackering than watching TV (what I used to do!) but mentally I find it really helps. The days can be relentlessly long with a small child, no matter that you love them. Getting out and about helps.

Glad you're feeling a bit better - MN has that effect (I too have been known to post on here under another name, saying how hard I found it all...)

Roopoo · 04/08/2009 09:13

Thanks againx
Artifarti - Took my DD for a long walk yesterday afternoon and felt tons better for it when I go back... It was better than being sat in the house....

Showed my DH this thread last night... And I feel so much better now he knows how I feel.

Fingers crossed the doctors appointment goes well on Friday x

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sheeplikessleep · 04/08/2009 09:46

Just to say I found the first 8-9 months the toughest of my life (and the first 6 months the worst).
Now DS is 21 months, I enjoy him and being a mum so much more. He doesn't cry that much (God the cry of a newborn!), I can interact with him, he makes me laugh, I get reciprocal cuddles, he 'grows' every day.
Having a newborn is incredibly tough, even the sleep deprivation aside. Things will get better. Sometimes things just take time. You aren't alone in feeling 'let down' by your feelings.
Good luck for your appointment

DjangoTheDjinn · 04/08/2009 09:46

Roopoo, just to add my voice to all of the others.

I was so excited to be pregnant and looked forward to being a mother. I was not naive about how hard it could be but was utterly shocked and overwhelmed by how different reality was from expectation.

Not a baby person is an understatement. I felt trapped by it, the sheer unrelenting, suffocating pressure of having a dependent baby whose needs were communicated by screams. I loved her, boy did I love her, there was no doubt but I felt trapped and frightened and like dh was a lifeline but one that I didn't know anymore. I followed him round the house desperately craving some kind of help but frightened that he was so in love with dd and smitten and as irreparably changed as I was that we could never be 'us' again.

Sorry, this is a bit waffly. I find it hard to describe it. I didn't have PND (though did have a touch of PTSD after a very traumatic delivery) but was shocked and unhappy. I did love dd, adored her but found myself lying in bed in the wee small hours wondering if I'd make the same choices again.

I'm a very shy, insular person and like to be in control of my own life. I felt out of control and couldn't even find solace in my own company because there was never just me anymore. I became stuck in this ridiculous situation where I was never away from her but refused to be away from her and insisted on doing everything myself.

I can relate to the idea of having another. My blood ran cold at the suggestion. I saw people cooing over little babies and couldn't understand it at all. All I saw was responsibility and pressure and the very idea filled me with dread.

Anyway, dd is 2yrs 3months now and from the time she could communicate effectively, play, entertain herself and emerge as a person in her own right it has been entirely different. She is a joy. An absolute pleasure every minute of every day. And my marriage? Just as it was before if not better because now we both sit back and enjoy our dd as a united front instead of me feeling locked away and isolated by it all.

I've accepted and know that it's okay for me to not like babies. I won't have more and I used to want a very big family. I don't want to do it all again and wouldn't be prepared to risk it.

My MIL became an unlikely ally. She has 4 children and admitted recently that each first year of each child's life was something she had to endure. She said it made her desperately unhappy but she did it to get to the good bit. She's wrong. It's not good, it's fantastic.

I hope you get a little help with the PND side of things. Keep talking. I found MN a lifeline when I couldn't be honest in rl.

Roopoo · 04/08/2009 12:00

I never realised that so many people would feel like this... I really thought it was just me....
Thanks everyone for letting me know that it's a fairly common emotion..

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carrotsandpeasifyouplease · 04/08/2009 12:40

for me it was around a year, I went back to work when he was 9 months and it was the best thing ever. I am pretty much a control freak and because there is no logic to babies i tore my hair out. Now he is 18 months, life is pretty boring when he's not around, he's such fun and i've never laughed so much in my life. If I had known when he was a baby how it would be like then it would have helped an awful lot (like you i also thought if I could turn back time I wouldn't have one). Now, he makes me feel alive - seriously.
Also, me and my DH have never argued so much as we did in the first year, I read an article at the weekend which said that work (i.e. housework) is the enemy not the other person and it really rang true as I thought I was doing everything related to baby, men do need to be asked though.

clemette · 04/08/2009 12:54

I could have written your posts myself, especially the part about asking to put the baby up for adoption. I recognise now that it was a symptom of my PND and wish I had got dome treatment (I waited it out and he feelings did go away but it took a long time.
With both of mine I didn't enjo. Being their parent until they turned one when something just clicked. Also going back to work really helped me (5 months with dd, 8 months with ds) as it gave me the structure I craved.
Just a word of reassurance- all of those I know who were not baby people REALLY enjoyed the toddler years and beyond. When they start communicating it becomes fun!
Keep going out to groups - filling your days will get you through this tricky time. And if the groups are postponed for the summer just get out and about - babies live shopping centres, lying under trees, going on public transport, supermarkets etc etc.
This soon will pass x

OptimistS · 04/08/2009 14:06

Hi Roopoo, I couldn't read this and not add my support to everyone elses. I really sympathise. Reading your posts took me right back there.

I just want you to know that it does get better. My DTs are 2.7now. I adore them, I love our lives together, I have a great balance between home/friends/family, I am very content in general, and I would even consider having more children in the future. If you'd asked me would I like more at 15 weeks though I think I might have quite happily picked up the nearest sharp implement and killed you!

My pregnancy was planned and much wanted. I had fostered a young child and had considerable experience with children generally (though not babies). I thought I knew what was coming and I expected sleepless nights, lots of crying, etc. However, NOTHING prepared me for the reality. I remember thinking I had made the worst mitake of my life and feeling sheer, utter panic that I couldn't give them back to someone. Don't get me wrong, I loved my DTs because they were mine and they were tiny and when they were asleep (not often) they looked adorable. But I'd be lying if I said I had a strong bond with them. For me it was impossible to have that bond because it's all one way when they are so small. I loved them but I did all the motherhood tasks of feeding, cuddling, soothing, changing, etc, because of a sense of duty and knowing that I had to, rather than because I wanted to or took any kind of enjoyment out of it.

The first 3 months were hell. At 4 months, I left the DTs Dad (he was abusive, but that's another story). The next 6 months were easier but still exhausting. I think one of the hardest things is that you are so tired and consumed by baby demands that you completely lose your sense of identity - just at a time when you badly need some self-esteem to carry you through. Then one day I woke up and realised that I felt 'normal' again. I guess this would have been about 9-10 months. And I thoroughly enjoyed the DTs between 1 and 2. It's mostly about sleep deprivation I think, but also the sheer unrelenting quality of parenting when you are the primary carer. It feels like you never get a break, and when you do you are so tired or so behind on everything else you never get the chance to enjoy the break properly.

15 weeks might be too early for you to make a sensible decision about going back to work. I went back at 12 weeks (though I did the odd hour here or there throughout maternity leave) but I now think it was too early. I wasn't getting enough sleep at that point. That said, the break from the DTs was exactly what I needed and gave me much-needed breathing space. The point I am waffling on about trying to make is that don't worry what other people think or say. If going back to work is the right option for you, then do it. Work has saved the sanity of many a new mother, myself included. My friends tell me I am one of the most patient mothers they know, but it's only because I value my DTs much more now I am no longer with them 24/7.

My other tip is to talk. Friendship is what kept me going through the sleepless nights and moments spent collapsed on the floor in a sobbing heap when, for example, I realised that I'd set the minifridge to hot instead of cold and destroyed 5 bottles of ebm. No man (or mother) is an island...

Sorry to go on and on, but really, you are not alone. Even mothers with perfect babies who love their lives have days where they feel like you. It's a shame more people can't express it openly rather than peddling this myth that it's all roses all the time. It is wonderful, but like many things in life, the best rewards result from hard work.

Hope you feel better soon.

RedDeadFail · 04/08/2009 14:14

Please also remember that your hormones won't settle for about 12 months. Often people don't realise that and you just feel so different and altered and weird for so long afterwards.

poshsinglemum · 04/08/2009 14:26

I totally understand you op. My birth partner told me that you have to grieve your old life when you have a baby and I couldn't agree more. Grief goes through various stages, denial, depression and acceptance. Sooner or later we will reach acceptance and then enjoy being a mum more.

HensMum · 04/08/2009 14:31

"all of those I know who were not baby people REALLY enjoyed the toddler years and beyond. When they start communicating it becomes fun!"

I agree. I felt a lot like you I think, it was way, way harder than I thought and I always felt like I wasn't doing enough for DS, that I had to entertain him constantly etc. I made a lot of work for myself!

I had a lot of anxiety. There were days when I made DP stay home from work as I just felt like I couldn't cope with DS. I had mild PND I think - I scored badly on the questionnaire, saw the GP and she said I could go onto anti-depressents but I didn't want to so I just got through it (not saying that this is the right way to do it, or that anti-depressents are bad, it just worked for me). I remember I had a really good long talk with a nice HV once where I was really honest about how I felt and that helped loads.

But it does get easier all the time. I can't say when it really became fun but we settled into a way of doing things at around 6 months. Having something to do each day was really important for me even if it was just walking into town to look round the shops. You said that you enjoyed your walk - keep doing it. Get out of the house every day.

DS is 22 months old now and I can honestly say it is now really lots of fun. I love the fact that he can talk, we can have conversations. I know and understand him as a person. We can play games, I make him laugh, he makes me laugh. Living with a toddler can be really frustrating and is still hard work but I get so, so much back now.

macaco · 04/08/2009 14:58

Totally sympathise. 15 weeks is really early, I was tearing my hair out at sleepnessless and crying a lot at this stage, but it does get better. Once you get a bit more sleep and they become more mobile and their little personalities develop it's a whole new ball game.
hang in there. and don't worry about another, who on earth is thinking they'd like another at that stage??

KSal · 04/08/2009 15:01

just wanted to add my support to the pile.... i felt the same as you - i was desperate to be a mum and 'knowing' that it was going to be hard never prepared me for the emotional upheaval i went through. I thought that blind love for my baby would get me through but in reality it took me a good three to four months to even feel like i loved her and i thought i had made a terrible mistake. It definitely does get better, she is 11 months now and so much fun to be with, i think a lot of it is down to getting feedback from her and being able to interact more.

i certainly think i had PND (and if i'm honest i'm not sure i am over it yet) and it wasn't helped by my husband denying that anything was wrong with me, so i hope that by seeing this thread your other half will be able to support you through this bit and see you to the other side.

Renwein · 04/08/2009 15:10

Hey, hang on in there. I'm on DS2 (now seven weeks - DS1 is nearly four) and was looking back over some of my old posts on the babywhisperer site to try to figure out when things got easier with DS1). I had posted at 15 weeks about spending all day inside trying to get him to sleep and how frustrating it was. I can't remember when things started to get better - the first six months are a blur - nature's way of making you do it again! But I can see that I had given up posting on parenting websites by about five or six months! And as everyone else says, it's completely different ball game having a toddler. It does seem like everyone else is doing brilliantly and has perfect babies. But, in fact, everyone feels shit in the first few months and, for some reason, they don't seem to admit it until their babies are settled. I remember being the only one at my NHS postnatal group who said during the introductions that I had felt like I wanted to sell my baby on ebay when he arrived! I did find it much easier after I went back to work (when DS1 was ten months) and had a bit more of my own identity. It's perfectly alright to feel that way.

I am finding it tough second time round as well (though that is partly DS1's challenging behaviour and sabotage work!). DS1 at least started off being able to get to sleep OK, whereas DS2 has been a sleep fighter from day one! I think I have had mild PND both times but have been much more proactive about seeing the GP and health visitor this time round and I am really glad you are going to your GP.

It is better than last time, though, partly because I expected the first few months to be grim so don't have this feeling of disappointment in motherhood. And, to be honest, I don't care so much if DS2 cries or if he isn't in a routine. DS1 used to get overtired and I used to be really anxious about fitting the day round his sleeps but that just isn't practical with two. If you can (which is easier said than done) try not to worry about it so much. The worst that can happen if it all goes wrong is that your DD gets overtired and has a big meltdown at the end of the day. That's not fun but not the end of the world. First time round, I was an obsessive reader of parenting books and scourer of the internet looking for magic solutions. I am a bit like that this time round too but I try not to be because I don't find it helpful and, frankly, the books make you feel shit. All babies are different and it's not your fault if your baby doesn't do what she's "supposed" to do.

You will survive, honestly. Off to try to persuade DS2 he wants to sleep for longer...

clemette · 04/08/2009 21:03

Renwein I agree I also voraciously read parenting books and was quite pleased when I could buy the Jo Frost book in preparation for the arrival of number two. When I read her confident statement that most babies sleep through the night at around 4 months I literally threw it out of the window in frustration!

K999 · 04/08/2009 21:10

Sorry - havent read all the posts! For me, it became fun when I had dd2! I spent the whole the first part of dd1's life, wishing it away and before I knew it, it was!! Having dd2 was so fantastic. I appreciated that everything was a 'stage' and that nothing lasts forever. I never bought any books the first time round as was very young and just went with the flow.....dd1 is still a terrible sleeper!! Bought a book wiht DD2 - fantastic and appreciate every minute with her now....they grow up too fast! I think the secret is getting a good nights sleep....and I am glad I bought that book!!

Roopoo · 04/08/2009 22:34

Can't believe that there are so many of us out there.
Sitting in my baby group looking haggard with greasy hair and a screaming baby all the other mums just looked so happy and perfect and I thought it was just me who wasn't enjoying being a mummy........

I think I will hold off going back to work until DD is 6 months and see how it is then. We are booked to go away for aweek then so will see how Im feeling when it gets nearer.....

I look at her sleeping and just feel like such a shit for not enjoying her... she is so little and helpless and probably deserves so much more....

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artifarti · 05/08/2009 07:10

Don't beat yourself up Roopoo. You love her, you are caring for her and the enjoying bit will gradually come in the next few weeks/months. In the meantime, look after yourself, post on MN and remember that most of those 'perfect' mums at baby group are also probably thinking 'what have I done? why am I here? will I ever go on holiday again? will I ever have sex - or even a non-tired and uninterrupted conversation - with DH again? can everyone tell that I haven't washed my hair for four days?!' Honestly! Hope you're feeling okay today and, as ever, my top tip, leave the house often!

HensMum · 05/08/2009 09:11

You are definitely not the only one. Do you get on with the other mums at your group? If you get to know them you'll probably find out that others are finding it hard too - they're probably just better at hiding it, which is not necessarily a good thing!

IsItMeOr · 05/08/2009 09:33

Hello Roopoo - I can't answer your original question, as I am still going through some of this myself (DS is 21 weeks and teething).

I think the only reason I haven't got quite as low as you sound is because I expected to be rubbish with babies. Expectations are so important to us perfectionists, aren't they?

I totally understand why you aren't rushing out to lots of groups and you find it hard to talk to the other mums when you do get there. I have two things, one I'm always terrible in a group and don't know what to say. The other is that a lot of the things on offer I really couldn't be bothered to get out of bed for in normal circumstances.

One thing that really helped me to feel more normal was reading this book. I am only reading it very slowly a page or two at a time, but it is so reassuring to find that everything I have thought, somebody else has thought too.

And the adoption thought you mentioned - I used to work on adoption/children in care, so when ds wasn't sleeping I would be thinking "I can't do this" but also "But I couldn't go through with adoption". I haven't found myself thinking that for some weeks now, and he has been sleeping better, so I think the others who say this is the link must be right.

I also snapped at my DS yesterday evening, and felt totally crap. Apologised this morning, which made me feel a bit better! I did have a good day with DS on Friday last week though.

Hang on in there, and remember that with babies it seems to be two steps forward, one step back rather than steady progress.

IsItMeOr · 05/08/2009 09:36

And meant to say, we put DS into his own room at 13 weeks, and things did get better after that, felt a bit more normal iyswim. He's only just next door and house isn't big, so we can hear every noise he makes in night anyway.

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