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Good vs bad mothers - warning, disturbing content

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TheMysticMasseuse · 23/07/2009 21:31

I have seen this on another forum, and thought it's something mnetters may like:

Good Vs. Bad Mothering

I have been thinking a lot lately about this whole mothering thing. This somehow
sacred ideal that there is a perfect way to mother, and that women who deviate
from this method are somehow inferior.

No matter what your taste, you can read a study or a book by a self-proclaimed
expert who will back you up. Want to Attachment Parent? Read this book! Want to
CIO? Read this book! Want to use cloth diapers? Read this study! Want to use a
bottle? Here's what this doctor says!

The Latest Studies show. Talk about a phrase that should be removed from all
languages. 30 years ago The Latest Studies showed that bottle-feeding and
starting solids at 3 weeks and using disposable diapers was the best way to
raise your child. Today, The Latest Studies show that breastfeeding and starting
solids after 9 months and using cloth diapers are the best way to raise your
child. The Latest Studies don't ever agree with each other, because if they did,
there would be no more money given out to actually do studies, and there would
be no money made in writing books.

Most of us survive childhood intact. Sure, we bitch. Sure we trot out our
parents' mistakes and brandish them with a vengeance as proof of our suffering.
Sure we rant and rave, promising ourselves and anyone else that listens that we
will be different, that we will never be the same kind of mother as our own
second-rate one.

And yes, there is such a thing as bad mothering.

But.

Bad mothering is not using disposable diapers. Bad mothering is not using
bottles and formula. Bad mothering is not putting a baby into a crib and letting
the baby cry until she learns to sleep on her own. Bad mothering is not giving
the baby a cookie to just shut up her whining, already.

Nor is bad mothering using cloth diapers. Or breastfeeding until the baby is 4.
Or letting the baby sleep in bed with her parents, even while they make love. Or
feeding the baby a vegetarian diet.

There are women out there who are bad mothers. There are mothers shooting up
while their children die of starvation and neglect in the next room. There are
mothers out there who stuff a pillow over their heads so they don't have to
listen to the whimpers from their 8 year olds while their fathers sodomize them.
There are mothers out there who abandon their children on the street because
they no longer wish to care for them. There are women who slowly twist their
children's limbs until they snap while their children cry and beg, promising to
be good.

Bad mothers.

Yes.

But most of us are not.

At some point along the line, women in the Western world stopped trusting their
instincts. We began to listen to doctors. We eagerly read studies and books that
would confirm to us that yes, we were good mothers!

And worse, we began to betray each other. We began to gather in camps, and we
set up rules for what constituted good mothering. And any mother who strayed
outside those rules was a bad mother. We'd sit together over tea and discuss in
outraged tones the ignorant woman down the street who bottle-fed her child from
birth, smugly asserting our superiority in breastfeeding our own children for
years. We'd converse over a power lunch about the poor deluded woman who quit
her high-profile job so she could stay home and finger-paint, rolling our eyes
and congratulating ourselves on our excellent luck in nannies. We'd snipe over
email and on message boards, on blogs and over the phone.

Look at me! I am a better mother! And I can prove it to you by surrounding
myself with other mothers who think just like me! I can prove it by shoving
these books in your face! I can prove it by demeaning other mothers who have
made different choices than mine!

Why are we doing this?

Why can't we feel confident in our own mothering choices? Why do we feel such a
need to prove ourselves through book after book and scorn directed towards other
mothers?

Ask yourself, and be honest. When was the last time you criticized another
mother in your mind? Was it today? Was it yesterday?

The next time you hear yourself making a nasty comment about another
mother?stop. Just stop. And ask yourself ? is she really a bad mother? Does she
abuse her child? Does she neglect her child? Co-sleeping is not abuse.
Bottle-feeding is not neglect. Think about what is coming out of your mouth.

Do not diminish the pain of a child who sleeps chained in a closet, ribs cracked
from her latest beating by equating her to a child who has learned to sleep by
crying it out for a few nights in her crib. Do not diminish the pain of a child
who has been sexually abused by equating her to a child that sleeps peacefully
between her loving parents. Do not diminish the pain of a child who has not
eaten for days by equating her to a child who is not fed meat or who drinks
formula.

We are the none of us perfect. None of us are. And we will all make mistakes. We
will learn, we will revise our thinking; we will throw up our hands and let go
of a long cherished ideal because we have just got to do it or collapse.

So how about instead of attacking other mothers, we start feeling confident
about ourselves? How about we look to our own children instead of spending time
self-righteously judging everyone else's? Throw away your parenting books. Think
about what your doctor tells you and evaluate what it means. When other mothers
criticize you, shake it off and ignore the temptation to turn around and attack
back.

Let's try supporting each other for a change. I think it would make all of us
better mothers to do so.

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Mumcentreplus · 26/07/2009 01:42

Yes all parents are not equal just like anything in this world..some people will be better than others...but what i don't get is the preoccupation that the OP somehow conveyed that you are supposed to blindly wonder the world of parenting instincually parenting your child ?...it's both..you find information,you parent your child according to what you know as a mother will work instinctively using said information..you know your own child...don't you?...and once something has been written down does that automatically become the single idea and domain of it's author?..

Qally · 26/07/2009 02:11

"what i don't get is the preoccupation that the OP somehow conveyed that you are supposed to blindly wonder the world of parenting instincually parenting your child ?"

Probably because the OP said:

"At some point along the line, women in the Western world stopped trusting their
instincts. We began to listen to doctors. We eagerly read studies and books that
would confirm to us that yes, we were good mothers!"

Then there was the part where "latest studies show" should be banned from all languages, because the info was inherently meaningless.

Not sure what you mean by "once something has been written down does that automatically become the single idea and domain of it's author?.." If anyone said that, I missed it.

DidEinsteinsMum · 26/07/2009 04:08

I clicked this thinking it would be something else. Not sure what else but something else. I have been sitting here crying and feeling guilty because i felt i was a bad mum and yet this had jsut reminded me that i am not beacue i am doing just that. I tried to do something nice for my son and it backfired cos he is change phobic and left him distressed. but I tried to do something nice, and i am upset that it went wrong. Ulitmately i care and i try. It is the best any mum can do. These were the wise words i needed tonight. thank you. Now i might sleep.

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piscesmoon · 26/07/2009 07:17

I think perhaps we are over using the word 'instinct'. The problem sees to be that once upon a time, when the birthrate was high, people were brought up with babies and small DCs and they knew what to expect and they learned from their mothers, grandmothers, sisters, aunties, neighbours etc. I have 2 younger brothers but by the time I had a baby it was all very new and scary-and yes I read some books.
Now you get parents writing on here because they are so upset that their DC has said'I hate you mummy,they have no idea that it is fairly standard and meaningless!
You need information but that is all it is, I think it is a mistake to follow some theory fully-it is more important to adapt it to suit you and your DC.
One size never fits all. It is shown by DiDEinsteinsMum, she was giving a treat but she has a DC who can't cope with out of routine-therefore someone else, who does masses of exciting things with their DC could call her a 'bad mother' if they were judging, when she is actually being a good mother by providing routine and predictability.
I don't like the piece in OP-of course you can be a poor parent without actual child abuse but it does put it into proportion (in a rather brutal, unnecessary way)but people who post on mumsnet care and want to do well-and that is the difference.
Some people think they have all the answers-they will find when their DC gets to teens or adult hood that they didn't! If a parent is relaxed in themselves and happy with what they are doing they will, most likely, be a 'good enough' parent. My brother and mother were both here yesterday and we had a good laugh together over some of the things she got 'wrong', it makes her human-I wouldn't have liked to be sitting here with a paragon of motherhood!

spookycharlotte121 · 26/07/2009 07:33

surely its just common sense. I parent in a way I feel suitable for my children and that fits with my morals and beliefs. I rarely read parenting books but when I do its because Im seeking advice for an area of parenting I am either struggling with or have little knowledge of.
Most of these books have proved very helpful and supportive and again just convey common sense.

I sometime question other peoples methods of parenting because I dont necessairly agree with them but Im not labeling the mother as a BAD PARENT. We just all do things differently.

BonsoirAnna · 26/07/2009 09:24

"common sense", "instinct", "information", "education": there is a lot of confusion on this thread due to poor definition/understanding of these concepts.

ssd · 26/07/2009 09:38

good op

piscesmoon · 26/07/2009 11:24

I think you can boil all the concepts down to common sense. I agree with spookycharlotte-I would question other people's methods of parenting, but I wouldn't say they are bad or wrong-just not suitable for me.

pagwatch · 26/07/2009 12:11

nice one Qually needs a beautiful bird as background though. Your mum has excellent tat-o-meter .

It does have quite the reverse result doesn't it when people tell you that God meant all ofthis. Ds2 got into a humungus barney in RE. They were talking about faith and the class were divided into those who believe in a benign force/god and those who didn't. When DS1 didn't join either he was asked to explain and he replied that he believed in God but felt he was a vengeful,spiteful shit.
Apparently it opened up an interesting debate
I remember him being with me when a well meaning loon religious type assured me that DS2 was severely 'damaged' because I, his mother, had lost faith. I suspect that is the source of some of DS1s antipathy.

I suspect most mean well and feel that mothers of SN will be made to feel special and therefore empowered to deal with the additional needs oftheir child. But I think others like to think of us as specuial because it increases the distance between us and them - if we are special then they are less likely to have the same experience IYSWIM

God - what a waffle

pagwatch · 26/07/2009 12:12

sorry Edam - I was waffling at you with most of that

suis · 26/07/2009 14:05

Good grief... this is turning into exactly what the OP was talking about... people getting very upset about someone else's point of view...

OP was saying that we should support each other rather than tear each other apart for the choices we make. She didn't say that our choices are unimportant or not worth careful consideration, just that it's not something to fall out over when people choose differently. She used shocking language to point out what is really harmful to children, and that it is a world away from whether it is breast or bottle, baby led or purees.

I feel that there is a lot of misinterpretation here.. to me, the OP was asking us to get some perspective... not calling anyone an abuser, not absolving men, not trying to upset people, not saying that psycological abuse doesn't happen or count, not saying that we shouldn't care about our choices.

Mumsnet is utterly invaluable to all of us on here, but I have to say that I stopped posting on here for a long time due to the level of vitriol that can come from some people when others express their own opinion... so I can see where the OP is coming from...

So please.... all chill out a bit.. no-one needed to read this.. there is a warning.. and no-one needed to post or keep reading if they don't like it.

Goblinchild · 26/07/2009 14:27

Pagwatch, you've made me giggle and remember why I like the more robust flavour of mumsnet.
One more angel, one more trip to Holland, one more 'What is a mother?' and I am likely to dismember the ridiculous bit of moralising fluff that is presenting it to me.
with added fangs.
Along with 'I don't know how you do it' said in a saintly and hushed tone.
And the alternative is?

MilaMae · 26/07/2009 20:06

Pieces your posts pretty much summed up exactly what I feel.

Both you and DidEinstein might be interested in the Sat Times Linda Blair article entitled Wasn't it a Great Summer Dad! It was kind of on the lines of the op acknowledging that parents are under pressure to be 'good parents' to raise perennially happy children and that we can't and shouldn't be responsible for their mood all the time.

I'd link but have no idea how to,it's quite lightweight but interesting- you may wish to ignore the 7 steps to make holidays fun though. Having a back to front day and getting my kids to all choose an activity of their own choice every day whilst on holiday sounds far to exhausting and stress inducing

MilaMae · 26/07/2009 20:08

Actually online it was entitled How to Make holidays Special For Children.

mammy2b · 26/07/2009 20:43

well said, I agree totally nobody is perfect by far, everybody is diffent thats the word different not BAD. Also I think the bluntness of the post was needed if it was put politly people wouldn't really take note.

Im worried about mothers looking down on my because im 16 and 5 months pregnant but im with a patner and have been for the past 3 years I have my own place. Not moved out my mothers and just moved in with my partner, its our own place before I moved out of my mothers he was living at his brothers we did it together with both our money and we are engaged its not just a silly relationship and will do the very best for our unborn child but will people on the street look at it like that! Dont be quick to jugde think before you open your mouth!..

piscesmoon · 26/07/2009 22:16

This is the Times article here
I thought it excellent and it really sums up my whole attitude to parenting. It was saying that in years gone by parents just went on holiday and assumed that DCs would enjoy it-they didn't feel they had to work at it and that if parents go somewhere they want to go an relax and enjoy it then the DCs will enjoy it.

DidEinsteinsMum · 28/07/2009 00:05

Had had a really bad time and was feeling very low. Feeling better as desipte situation ds declared me to be best mum in world because of his treat. Change is necessary and trips out ok. But people to visit plan to repeat next year to help ds with life skills in coping. We do stuff when on holiday as it helps ds cope with being on holiday. But i am lukcy that my 4 yo likes musuems and this year requested to visit stonehenge. We have a something for me something for you within coping boundries and it works for us and means we both get to enjoy the hol.

We now have 4 weeks to return to normal before he starts school [gritted teeth grin]

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