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Good vs bad mothers - warning, disturbing content

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TheMysticMasseuse · 23/07/2009 21:31

I have seen this on another forum, and thought it's something mnetters may like:

Good Vs. Bad Mothering

I have been thinking a lot lately about this whole mothering thing. This somehow
sacred ideal that there is a perfect way to mother, and that women who deviate
from this method are somehow inferior.

No matter what your taste, you can read a study or a book by a self-proclaimed
expert who will back you up. Want to Attachment Parent? Read this book! Want to
CIO? Read this book! Want to use cloth diapers? Read this study! Want to use a
bottle? Here's what this doctor says!

The Latest Studies show. Talk about a phrase that should be removed from all
languages. 30 years ago The Latest Studies showed that bottle-feeding and
starting solids at 3 weeks and using disposable diapers was the best way to
raise your child. Today, The Latest Studies show that breastfeeding and starting
solids after 9 months and using cloth diapers are the best way to raise your
child. The Latest Studies don't ever agree with each other, because if they did,
there would be no more money given out to actually do studies, and there would
be no money made in writing books.

Most of us survive childhood intact. Sure, we bitch. Sure we trot out our
parents' mistakes and brandish them with a vengeance as proof of our suffering.
Sure we rant and rave, promising ourselves and anyone else that listens that we
will be different, that we will never be the same kind of mother as our own
second-rate one.

And yes, there is such a thing as bad mothering.

But.

Bad mothering is not using disposable diapers. Bad mothering is not using
bottles and formula. Bad mothering is not putting a baby into a crib and letting
the baby cry until she learns to sleep on her own. Bad mothering is not giving
the baby a cookie to just shut up her whining, already.

Nor is bad mothering using cloth diapers. Or breastfeeding until the baby is 4.
Or letting the baby sleep in bed with her parents, even while they make love. Or
feeding the baby a vegetarian diet.

There are women out there who are bad mothers. There are mothers shooting up
while their children die of starvation and neglect in the next room. There are
mothers out there who stuff a pillow over their heads so they don't have to
listen to the whimpers from their 8 year olds while their fathers sodomize them.
There are mothers out there who abandon their children on the street because
they no longer wish to care for them. There are women who slowly twist their
children's limbs until they snap while their children cry and beg, promising to
be good.

Bad mothers.

Yes.

But most of us are not.

At some point along the line, women in the Western world stopped trusting their
instincts. We began to listen to doctors. We eagerly read studies and books that
would confirm to us that yes, we were good mothers!

And worse, we began to betray each other. We began to gather in camps, and we
set up rules for what constituted good mothering. And any mother who strayed
outside those rules was a bad mother. We'd sit together over tea and discuss in
outraged tones the ignorant woman down the street who bottle-fed her child from
birth, smugly asserting our superiority in breastfeeding our own children for
years. We'd converse over a power lunch about the poor deluded woman who quit
her high-profile job so she could stay home and finger-paint, rolling our eyes
and congratulating ourselves on our excellent luck in nannies. We'd snipe over
email and on message boards, on blogs and over the phone.

Look at me! I am a better mother! And I can prove it to you by surrounding
myself with other mothers who think just like me! I can prove it by shoving
these books in your face! I can prove it by demeaning other mothers who have
made different choices than mine!

Why are we doing this?

Why can't we feel confident in our own mothering choices? Why do we feel such a
need to prove ourselves through book after book and scorn directed towards other
mothers?

Ask yourself, and be honest. When was the last time you criticized another
mother in your mind? Was it today? Was it yesterday?

The next time you hear yourself making a nasty comment about another
mother?stop. Just stop. And ask yourself ? is she really a bad mother? Does she
abuse her child? Does she neglect her child? Co-sleeping is not abuse.
Bottle-feeding is not neglect. Think about what is coming out of your mouth.

Do not diminish the pain of a child who sleeps chained in a closet, ribs cracked
from her latest beating by equating her to a child who has learned to sleep by
crying it out for a few nights in her crib. Do not diminish the pain of a child
who has been sexually abused by equating her to a child that sleeps peacefully
between her loving parents. Do not diminish the pain of a child who has not
eaten for days by equating her to a child who is not fed meat or who drinks
formula.

We are the none of us perfect. None of us are. And we will all make mistakes. We
will learn, we will revise our thinking; we will throw up our hands and let go
of a long cherished ideal because we have just got to do it or collapse.

So how about instead of attacking other mothers, we start feeling confident
about ourselves? How about we look to our own children instead of spending time
self-righteously judging everyone else's? Throw away your parenting books. Think
about what your doctor tells you and evaluate what it means. When other mothers
criticize you, shake it off and ignore the temptation to turn around and attack
back.

Let's try supporting each other for a change. I think it would make all of us
better mothers to do so.

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snigger · 25/07/2009 17:42

CIO?

Qu'est-ce que c'est?

bibbitybobbityhat · 25/07/2009 17:51

Bloody hell!

Having been a mumsnetter for 3 years I think I've got a bit of a feel for the place. You know it never would have occurred to me for one second that any of the people who contribute to this site think that parenting choices they don't personally agree with can be likened to sickening child abuse.

I have seen some filthy but enlightening rows between people (and taken part in some of them myself) but never once has anyone screamed at another poster "You are a child abuser" and nor would they need to.

So what is the point of the op? Are we saying we are shocked that child abuse exists? Its tragically not a surprise to any of us - is it?

The "message" of that piece is a non-message imvho. I think you could have spared the people who read it the upset, OP.

MilaMae · 25/07/2009 18:03

Errrm Bibbity the 'abuse' word is quite common on cc threads. I had to use cc briefly when I had 3 under 18months(the only other choice was insanity).

As you can imagine reading comments like that is pretty pointless when you are doing something that benefits your whole family immensely.

No idea what CIO is though.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Mumcentreplus · 25/07/2009 18:05

well people were warned..they chose to read it surely?...

PrincessToadstool · 25/07/2009 18:08

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Mumcentreplus · 25/07/2009 18:17

I don't think the OP was trying to make people feel good because they did not abuse their children tbh (tad over the top)...just not to think every decision they make is friggin abuse or tantamount to it and to stop judging each other so fiercely perhaps?

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edam · 25/07/2009 18:20

Cry It Out, I guess.

I think it's a really vicious piece, actually. So it's only women who are ever bad parents? And women are solely responsible for men who abuse children? And heroin users are not addicts, they are thinking entirely rationally and just doing it because it's fun?

I doubt very much there is ANY woman in the world who abandons a child on the street because she can't be bothered.

Read a book or an article about The Long March, about Zimbabwe, about Darfur, about the war in Bosnia, about Pol Pot, about heroin addiction. Anything rather than just assume people in terrible circumstances are monsters. Some may be. But many are not. And it's a bit sickening for those of us lucky enough to live much more fortunate lives to get our rocks off by feeling superior to them.

Mumcentreplus · 25/07/2009 18:22

...don't understand the reason to get so bent out of shape tbh

PrincessToadstool · 25/07/2009 18:23

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Mumcentreplus · 25/07/2009 18:25

I don't think it's about feeling superior at all...I suppose it all about how you read the piece and interpret it..

more · 25/07/2009 18:26

Can't I just ask what Mumcentreplus agrees with!?

edam · 25/07/2009 18:28

I think it is smug - the piece says quite clearly that 'Bad Mothers' include those who somehow allow their children to be abused by men.

The point about not overusing the term 'child abuse' is fair enough but could have been made far more succinctly without all the graphic detail.

bibbitybobbityhat · 25/07/2009 18:30

I'm almost as angry as you are Princess Toadstool.

I am a long-time contributor to the controlled crying threads. I suppose some of those most vehemently opposed to cc might lazily have said that it is abusive to use cc on a baby. Mostly I have seen them arguing that they think it is damaging or distressing to the baby. And they feel they have the right to have their say (and I think they do, too).

But people just need challenging on bandying about the "abuse" word, surely?

I generally credit Mumsnetters with more maturity and intelligence than to need this questionable piece offered up as a thought-provoking or enlightening message.

Mumcentreplus · 25/07/2009 18:50

Put ya pitch-forks away ladies ..lol...I agree with the sentiment of the piece not saying it's a masterpiece of literary thought..I do believe some mothers are judgemental but I also believe mothers are very supportive too .. (not only on MN but RL)i also believe some women judge other women about Bollocks ...personal choice...and get worked up about it..tis all i'm saying ...

hercules1 · 25/07/2009 18:52

I couldnt read the whole thing. I hate those sort of drippy, tacky, mindnumbingly boring type dribble.

edam · 25/07/2009 18:56

And schmaltzy, Hercules, don't forget schmaltzy...

edam · 25/07/2009 18:57

Wouldn't The World Be Nice If We Could All Just Get On A Little Better...?

Mumcentreplus · 25/07/2009 19:03
pagwatch · 25/07/2009 19:17

ah Edam. Do you have a child with a disability? You would so enjoy this aspect .

Along with diagnosis you get a compulsory instant sign up to every schmaltzy well- intentioned loon who has a poem that will meet all your emotional needs.
If you are very lucky some will send their cliche laden words of wisdom to you with a pastel background picture of some fictional sunset or a mother and child thingy or ( if you really need help) an angel.

And it will tell you how God chose you because you are special.

Those almost never totally fuck me off.
( not least why would god make my childs life more difficult to show the world how marvellous I am. Most of the world already knew I am fucking marvellous)

Although in fairness no one has actually sung to me yet

nooka · 25/07/2009 19:26

I'm never totally sure why there is an expectation on mothers to be so bloody lovely anyway. Seems a bit tyrannical to me. Why shouldn't we rail and fight if we want to? People in general are judgmental as well as supportive - sometimes even at the same time I reserve my right to have opinions on a whole range of things and people and situations without anyone suggesting that it's because I am not confident. What has confidence got to do with anything? It always seems a cheap jibe to throw to me (ie you are disagreeing with me because really really you know I am right)

I also think our response to hearing about child abuse should be to try and do something to stop it, not just think, oh I am a lovely mum really and then forget about it.

piscesmoon · 25/07/2009 19:59

People seem to be reading all sorts of things into the OP that I don't think were intended. I think that MilaMae has very sensible posts. Unconditional love and security are all that is necessary. You can't even parent two DCs in the same family the same way-everyone is an individual and one size never fits all. The best parent is the relaxed parent who follows their own personality and instinct IMO.

clemette · 25/07/2009 20:19

I have never bought the claim to "instinctive parenting". Of course people need to seek advice. And on some issues, not seeking advice could be seen as negligent.

For example, if you decide to wean your baby at 9 weeks onto spag bol and chocolate pudding and are aware of the potential damage this could do, this is not a decision based on "love". It is not abuse, but it is potentially damaging and thus not "good" parenting.

So my problem with the OP remains two-fold:

  1. It is sensationalist, crass and lacks sensitivity (and it only has a warning because I, and maybe others requested one - the OP wanted no warning)

  2. It is overly simplistic and draws a distinction that discourages all parents from challenging each other - which I for one find very important in my constant quest to be a better parent (I have a long way to go!)