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Good vs bad mothers - warning, disturbing content

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TheMysticMasseuse · 23/07/2009 21:31

I have seen this on another forum, and thought it's something mnetters may like:

Good Vs. Bad Mothering

I have been thinking a lot lately about this whole mothering thing. This somehow
sacred ideal that there is a perfect way to mother, and that women who deviate
from this method are somehow inferior.

No matter what your taste, you can read a study or a book by a self-proclaimed
expert who will back you up. Want to Attachment Parent? Read this book! Want to
CIO? Read this book! Want to use cloth diapers? Read this study! Want to use a
bottle? Here's what this doctor says!

The Latest Studies show. Talk about a phrase that should be removed from all
languages. 30 years ago The Latest Studies showed that bottle-feeding and
starting solids at 3 weeks and using disposable diapers was the best way to
raise your child. Today, The Latest Studies show that breastfeeding and starting
solids after 9 months and using cloth diapers are the best way to raise your
child. The Latest Studies don't ever agree with each other, because if they did,
there would be no more money given out to actually do studies, and there would
be no money made in writing books.

Most of us survive childhood intact. Sure, we bitch. Sure we trot out our
parents' mistakes and brandish them with a vengeance as proof of our suffering.
Sure we rant and rave, promising ourselves and anyone else that listens that we
will be different, that we will never be the same kind of mother as our own
second-rate one.

And yes, there is such a thing as bad mothering.

But.

Bad mothering is not using disposable diapers. Bad mothering is not using
bottles and formula. Bad mothering is not putting a baby into a crib and letting
the baby cry until she learns to sleep on her own. Bad mothering is not giving
the baby a cookie to just shut up her whining, already.

Nor is bad mothering using cloth diapers. Or breastfeeding until the baby is 4.
Or letting the baby sleep in bed with her parents, even while they make love. Or
feeding the baby a vegetarian diet.

There are women out there who are bad mothers. There are mothers shooting up
while their children die of starvation and neglect in the next room. There are
mothers out there who stuff a pillow over their heads so they don't have to
listen to the whimpers from their 8 year olds while their fathers sodomize them.
There are mothers out there who abandon their children on the street because
they no longer wish to care for them. There are women who slowly twist their
children's limbs until they snap while their children cry and beg, promising to
be good.

Bad mothers.

Yes.

But most of us are not.

At some point along the line, women in the Western world stopped trusting their
instincts. We began to listen to doctors. We eagerly read studies and books that
would confirm to us that yes, we were good mothers!

And worse, we began to betray each other. We began to gather in camps, and we
set up rules for what constituted good mothering. And any mother who strayed
outside those rules was a bad mother. We'd sit together over tea and discuss in
outraged tones the ignorant woman down the street who bottle-fed her child from
birth, smugly asserting our superiority in breastfeeding our own children for
years. We'd converse over a power lunch about the poor deluded woman who quit
her high-profile job so she could stay home and finger-paint, rolling our eyes
and congratulating ourselves on our excellent luck in nannies. We'd snipe over
email and on message boards, on blogs and over the phone.

Look at me! I am a better mother! And I can prove it to you by surrounding
myself with other mothers who think just like me! I can prove it by shoving
these books in your face! I can prove it by demeaning other mothers who have
made different choices than mine!

Why are we doing this?

Why can't we feel confident in our own mothering choices? Why do we feel such a
need to prove ourselves through book after book and scorn directed towards other
mothers?

Ask yourself, and be honest. When was the last time you criticized another
mother in your mind? Was it today? Was it yesterday?

The next time you hear yourself making a nasty comment about another
mother?stop. Just stop. And ask yourself ? is she really a bad mother? Does she
abuse her child? Does she neglect her child? Co-sleeping is not abuse.
Bottle-feeding is not neglect. Think about what is coming out of your mouth.

Do not diminish the pain of a child who sleeps chained in a closet, ribs cracked
from her latest beating by equating her to a child who has learned to sleep by
crying it out for a few nights in her crib. Do not diminish the pain of a child
who has been sexually abused by equating her to a child that sleeps peacefully
between her loving parents. Do not diminish the pain of a child who has not
eaten for days by equating her to a child who is not fed meat or who drinks
formula.

We are the none of us perfect. None of us are. And we will all make mistakes. We
will learn, we will revise our thinking; we will throw up our hands and let go
of a long cherished ideal because we have just got to do it or collapse.

So how about instead of attacking other mothers, we start feeling confident
about ourselves? How about we look to our own children instead of spending time
self-righteously judging everyone else's? Throw away your parenting books. Think
about what your doctor tells you and evaluate what it means. When other mothers
criticize you, shake it off and ignore the temptation to turn around and attack
back.

Let's try supporting each other for a change. I think it would make all of us
better mothers to do so.

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clemette · 25/07/2009 20:25

"Unconditional love and security are all that is necessary." Sorry but this comment symbolises what winds me up about this line of thought.
These are not enough. A good parent needs to know about nutrition, health care, education (formal and informal), the implications of different discipline methods etc etc etc.

stroppyknickers · 25/07/2009 20:38

Oh I am obv a cold hearted fish who read it and wanted to barf at the twaddly sentimentality of it. Let's all just love each other etc etc and never comment on a bit of crap parenting when we see it.

Mumcentreplus · 25/07/2009 20:51

Challenging someone is different from Judging someone and challenging is and of itself is quite a confrontational word/action tbh ...the OP did not say anything about parents not finding out information that benefits parents and children... and that information is not only found in books or in studies

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Mumcentreplus · 25/07/2009 20:57
clemette · 25/07/2009 20:57

The OP didn't - later posters implied that it was fine to rely on instinct and love.

Sheeta · 25/07/2009 21:00

VALID studies should be funded. There are plenty of double-blinded carefully planned studies that are incredibly important, but there are hundreds and HUNDREDS of ridiculous 'studies' that only inclue a handflu, maybe hundred of participants, that are completely invalid and should never be reported by the national media (autism linked to MMR, par example!!)

discuss

Sheeta · 25/07/2009 21:02

and meant to say... finally, some fucking sense spoken true on the internet.

thank you for your OP.

MilaMae · 25/07/2009 21:10

Clemette it's been pointed out several times. The issue isn't mothers seeking out advice for themselves but mothers being given advice that isn't needed or asked for.

Mumcentreplus · 25/07/2009 21:12

But is fine to rely on love and instincts when appropriate...just like it's fine to find out information and knowledge and canvass opinion when appropriate..both are compatiable with each other and both just as important to having a healthy balanced child..imo

clemette · 25/07/2009 21:18

I agree - both are just as important.

MilaMae · 25/07/2009 21:25

And if you've got a happy,healthy,secure child (however you've achieved it) isn't that enough?

clemette · 25/07/2009 21:28

But who has children who are happy, healthy and secure all of the time??

Mumcentreplus · 25/07/2009 21:41

lol no one on the planet clem..at least no one I know..but we try our best

MilaMae · 25/07/2009 22:12

Most of the time is enough for me as is the bigger picture.

Mine are healthy pretty much most of the time(touch wood),they have a healthy diet most of the time with a small amount of crap eg Sat sweets etc, they get loads of sleep,exercise,fresh air etc.

They go through stages of being a pita or showing the odd bit of insecurity (eg starting school) as they all do but they are happy kids and are going in the right direction. It's hard to put a figure on it but I'd say 70/80% of the time they're fine and that's enough for me. I've taught several who weren't fine over the years so I'm grateful for my lot.

It would be too much pressure on them and me to be perfect 100% of the time.They're just fine and believe me having had 3 under 18 months I've had to do pretty much everything different to the way text books tell you and just survived the moment. To be frank extreme parenting such as this makes you realise how pointless it all is obsessing over every detail.

KiwiKat · 25/07/2009 22:32

Boy, you've all got your knickers in a twist, haven't you? What I'm taking from the post is to be less judgemental about the behaviour of other mothers when they have a different parenting style from me, and for us to be more supportive of one another - global village etc.

End o' story.

SlartyBartFast · 25/07/2009 22:41

it is like one of those dreadful chain emails i receive at work,
santimonious claptrap.
and american no less

piscesmoon · 25/07/2009 23:17

' A good parent needs to know about nutrition, health care, education (formal and informal), the implications of different discipline methods etc etc etc.

I think that you can do this instinctively-you know your own DC. It may be difficult if you have had poor role models but if you have had parents who have fed you a healthy diet from birth and you have done this for yourself before you had DCs it is a matter of common sense. You don't need someone telling you, surely you have found out about it for yourself long before you had DCs? You don't get a baby and think-'help I don't know what to feed it'. You don't cut yourself off from advice-you ask the HV and read books and then you take what you want from it. It is the same with health care. A lot has to be decided depending on the DC you have. You can't decide on education until you know your DC, what suits one may be the worst thing for another.
Discipline is one thing that I would prefer to rely on role models, my personality, the personality of the DC, experience from teaching and, lastly, books I have read. I take a bit from each. I would never read a book and think 'that is the way'-I just take the bits that suit me. There isn't a 'correct' way.
No child is going to be happy, healthy and secure all the time-and is it even desirable? How could you possibly know that you are happy if you have never been unhappy?
Most of the time is good enough.
I think that MilaMae's posts are very sensible and well balanced.
KiwiKat sums it up beautifully-we should stop being judgemental and be more supportive. A 'good enough' mother is fine-I personally think a 'perfect'mother would be a pain in the neck to live with!

edam · 25/07/2009 23:47

pagwatch - no, but have been educated by SN threads over the years and had enough relatives/friends with SN to watch and learn... the ruddy nuns who looked after my Great-Uncle were experts at the whole special thing. Like God had decided to strike him down as a toddler just to show everyone how wonderful He was.

Always puzzled me - they weren't really doing a terribly good job of selling their version of God to me, to be honest.

KiwiKat · 25/07/2009 23:48

Thank you, Pisces. While you may not agree with me, SlartyBartFast, I have to compliment you on your fabulous name. Am a huge Douglas Adams fan, and my brother and I found this name hugely entertaining when we were in our teens.

SlartyBartFast · 25/07/2009 23:57

thanks kiwikat

Greensleeves · 26/07/2009 00:05

What a pile of wishy-washy cow-eyed poorly-expressed meaningless horseshit.

Mumcentreplus · 26/07/2009 00:14
Greensleeves · 26/07/2009 00:35

it's a nasty little piece though

I love the insinuation that if I voice my disapproval on smacking/other loony practices I am somehow pissing on the headstones of the victims of extreme child abuse.

Tough shit.

paisleyleaf · 26/07/2009 00:40

I'm glad as I've read down the thread to see other people haven't liked this at all either.

Qally · 26/07/2009 01:21

I also disagree that all parenting is equal, short of abuse. The world, as Harry Potter so sagely opined, isn't made up of good people and Deatheaters. It's more a spectrum, no?

I screw up often, get it right other times. There will always be better and worse parents than me, but should that mean I don't try to do better? I don't think so. I'm not a big fan of books on things like sleep or routine, mainly because my theory is that books on diets, relationships and sleeping all proliferate because nobody really has the answer... but Unconditional Parenting and How To Talk were definitely helpful. Do I plan to be a full-on Unconditional parent? No. Did it challenge my ideas about how to talk to and engage with a kid so I showed them the respect and courtesy I hope to model, and point out that mindless praise can be a way to avoid actually talking with them? Yep. Very much so. Will I manage to apply it when they drive me bonkers and I'm tired and headachey? Almost certainly not, but it's still been a usefully challenging read. And studies on weaning age and so on are useful, IMO. I want my son to have the best start I can give him, and informed choice is the only kind worth having, surely?

There's a fascinating book called Dream Babies that discusses that the "instinct" thing is actually itself fashion. My grandmother goes on and on about following instinct, along with her theories on childcare which are pure Truby King (crying is healthy, no overnight feeds, strict 4 hour routine, babies are manipulative, breast is best) but she thinks are her own wisdom and expertise. She tells me that all these modern books are nonsense and indicative of a lack of common sense. We are, all of us, a product of our own time and influences, and instincts are pretty much too, IMO. My instincts told me to cuddle my son the second he cried, to seek to interpret what he wanted and try to give it to him - but another generation thinks that isn't what instinct dictates at all. Perhaps my instincts are just a product of my age, background and social circle?

Pagwatch - my mum's least favourite syrupy offering:

"A flightless bird called Faith
began to carry boulders
for years she took these weights
strapped between her shoulders
and as you might expect
the sweat poured like a fountain
but only time will tell
if Faith can move a mountain"