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GiddyGirl · 27/04/2009 14:22

Not sure if I have posted in the right section. Bit of background. I moved from London to a new area 6 months ago and was pregnant when I got here - I since had DS and he is 3 months old. Apart from DH's family, I don't know anyone at all and I hate it here. I miss my friends, I miss work, and I miss the hustle and bustle of London - I now live in a village. I also live very close to DH's family and have realised - well, it has been confirmed -that I have very little in common with them. They talk about eastenders like it is real, they don't watch the news, they don't read books.

In an attempt to try and settle here, I took DS to a local baby group. But again, found that I have little in common with the mums there - they are all about 10 years younger than me for a start, don't have careers, married early, all they ever wanted was kids. They seem nice, but I struggle to make conversation with them unless it's about babies - I don't want to talk about babies all the time though. The one time we have talked about anything else - holidays - one girl said " oh no, we've never been abroad, we like Great Yarmouth." Which is up to her, but why did I feel myself turning my nose up at it. I am totally pissed off with myself because I want DS to mix with other babies in preparation for him starting nursery in 6 months, and I want to get to know people too but I feel like I pick holes in them as soon as I look at them - like their clothes, or their hair or the way their babies are dressed (tracksuits for example). I feel so guilty and am asking myself, if I can't mix, how is that going to be good for DS' development. I haven't been to baby group in a week and feel like a terribly bad mother holding my DS back because I'm a stuck up cow.

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goldrock · 29/04/2009 09:48

I can sympathise with the OP, I live in a v small village and am an older mum and I would definately struggle to make friends in the situation you describe and its not being snobby its just being different and there's nothing wrong in that.

Giddy - is there a larger village or town near you where you could try different groups ? I've found that GP surgeries and your HV will have details of groups that you can try until you find the right one. I'd agree with Jo Jingles as being a good place, I found Tumble Tots to be cliquey but my DC enjoyed it so I still went. Have you thought about a baby swimming class or even just going swimming at a local pool, I find that people always talk if you have a small baby in a pool and anyone else with who's there with a baby is likely to be of a "similar mind" to you.

Going back to work will really help as you're likely to meet mums you can relate to more at a nursery which might have a mums' group and if it doesn't you could always set one up.

It can be boring being at home with a baby but now the weather's better maybe try going out for more walks and talking to whoever you bump into. I've lived in my village for a few years now and luckily have made good friends but also have loads of aquaintences just through being open and always ready to talk.

Good luck and don't give up - there will be mums you can click with out there it just takes a bit of time and effort to find them. Maybe I missed it as I read the thread quickly but did you say which part of the country you're in ?

halfwaythere · 29/04/2009 12:34

You don't have to be best friends with the womem at the baby group. Just accept them for who they are. Ok, so you might end up just talking about babies but does that matter? That's why you're there. Just like if you went to a book club you'd presumably talk about books.

bumbly · 29/04/2009 13:32

not read replies just OP

but i know EXACTLY what you mean

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honeydew · 29/04/2009 14:44

Giddy -I had the same problems as you three years ago. We moved into Kent from London to a large village. I had a newborn and an 18 month old.

I was alone all day, didn't drive and had no family or friends in the area.

I did join the mother and toddler group but it was only once a week and there was nothing else to do in the whole area. Not driving made it more isolating and I confess I hated it.

My way of trying to find support and a community atmosphere was to join the local church. I don't know if you're religious and although I am, I originally went in order to get my son christened as a way of breaking the ice so to speak. Everyone loves babies so I used my son as a focal point and took it from there.

Eventually, we moved back to London. I realise you are not in a position to move, but would definately recommend joining a local church for community support and a friendly face, if not the religious aspect.

Most churches do try to be inclusive of everyone and you might feel less out of place and accepted. You really don't have to have a strong faith to go to church! I go as much for the social side of things as I do for my beliefs. I'm sure people would welcome you, no matter how little faith you have.

They do coffee mornings, charity work and fund raising events which also gets you involved with something else apart from your baby until you return to work. I know it all sounds rather twee, but that support certainly helped me through.

You will probably find people of all ages and backgrounds at church who are more likely to be sympathetic to your situation. I found some older mothers in their fifties and sixties who've gave me a shoulder to cry on and advice when I needed it far more helpful than any mother and toddler group.

I have made some good friends at my church here in Bromley and there are always other children for my 3 to play with, at Sunday School, events etc.

I would keep going to your playgroup if only for your son's sake so that he has some interaction with other children.

As for some of the comments I've read on here about you being a snob- well, I don't agree. My understanding of a snob is someone who has money but looks down on those who do not.

Respecting others treating all you meet with same polite approach is a mark of good values and upbringing. Just because you do not have anything in common with these other women does NOT automatically make you a snob. It only becomes snobbery if you consider them beneath you which is not at all what your post suggests.

I don't have anything in in common with my neighbour who is a childminder, but she's a nice girl, I respect her and always say hello. Just because she doesn't read Jane Austen and I do, does that make me snob or do I think any less of her as a person? NO!

You simply have had a different upbringing with your own tastes and interests. Village life can be very insular and hard to adjust to, so take heart.

I would advise you to try and pursue your own interests while remaining on good terms with the girls at playgroup as you say they are nice. Just talk about babies, have a cup of tea and leave it at that.

Join a book club, check the local library/newspaper for adverts and events which interest you, surf the internet for local groups, etc. If there is an adult education college near you, what about a short course on a Saturday or weekday evening? Try History of Art, Cookery etc.

I think you should try and persevere, as adapting will take time. Going back to work will really help and focus you again on the future. Get out for walks as much as possible! Good luck

applepudding · 29/04/2009 16:30

Giddygirl - do I understand correctly that you will be returning part time to your old job when your DC is 6 months old? If so, when that happens you will find life so different - you will be back some of the week with people you know and have something in common with. If your DC goes to nursery at this time, as mine did, this will be time for your DS to mix with other babies, and you will be glad of the two days per week to spend at home just doing things with your baby. At 3 months old your baby does not need to be mixing with other babies in preparation for going to Nursery! Are you planning on using a nursery near to your work, or near to where you live?

lunamoon2 · 30/04/2009 22:54

I agree with a lot of what has already been said.
Even if you had stayed in London though, would you have been happy during the day on your own? Who would you have talked to there? All your old work colleagues would be at work, along with your partner. I think it is quite the norm to feel a bit depressed and out of it with your first child.
Don't forget this image of tremendous happiness at being a mother is not necessarily true, it is ok to feel unhappy sometimes.
btw if I had my time again I wouldn't bother with mother and tots groups either. Take a previous posters advice and join an evening class based on something you actually like doing.

RUNFORLOVE · 30/04/2009 23:10

Giddygirl - when I first read your post I thought you were being snobby and arrogant... but actually you sound very down to me and I know that when I have PMT at peak time or when I'm just having a shit week I find faults in the air my dh breathes

Its obvious you are not happy in your new area and you done a couple of the most stressful things in life moving and having a baby at the same time.

Its different to what you know, it will take awhile for you to find the people you click with. Just be open minded with everyone you meet. It may not be until the 20th time you meet the same mum until you find common ground.

I moved to a new are when 7mths pregnant, i did not join any antenatal clubs, when my baby was born I did not meet anyone until she was 4mths. I was younger than all the mums I met and I held back from making friends and accepting invites. I said to my partner that I had nothing in common with any of the mums and i didnt want to be friends with someone just because we are mums.

In the end I gave in and met up with this group of people, many i never clicked with but 6 years later, four of those mums are now my best friends. We are from total different backgrounds, thought we had nothing in common. But as we all got closer and began to confide in each other we realised we had alot more in common than thought, in fact we had been through similar experiences, family problems, shared similar hopes and dreams etc.

We always laugh about our first meetings because I didnt like them when I met them and they didnt think much of me and now I love them.

Its a new place, different to what you know, just be open and make yourself fit in.

Take care
x

Rollergirl1 · 30/04/2009 23:36

Giddy: I don't think you are a snob either. I feel exactly the same. We moved from london to surrey, actually 2 days after i gave birth to dd. I was living in clapham at 34 weeks pregnant, went to ante-natal class one sat morning and my waters broke on the way. To cut a long story short i never went back to our london flat and ended up coming home to a 4 bed surrey house with new baby 3 weeks later. It was our decision to move otut of london when we had kids and i am from surrey myself. But precisely all of my london friends have had kids since and have all resolutely stayed put. I really wish i was back there, despite not being able to afford the house and garden that we have now. I make it sound like we are in the sticks. We are just outside weybridge, so still within the commuter belt. But i miss all my like-minded friends. Have made an effort with ante-natal/nct lot and see people on a regular basis but not anyone that i would be a proper friend with outside babies.

My hubby is okay cos he still works in london, gets to do the 4 hour lunch thing and sees people after work so he still has the connection, whereas i just feel like my life is totally and utterly different.

Giddy, you are not being a snob. I wished you lived near me!

cory · 30/04/2009 23:56

I am glad I persevered with the mother and baby groups when I started out. As a foreigner, with a different background and a different education, there was perhaps little I had in common with the other mums- but at least they were people, I am now part of a community, there are people I could call on and people I would help out in an emergency.

My Mum in a similar situation never made the effort to get on with people she had nothing in common with and she was horribly lonely and unhappy long after her last child had left home.

I just wasn't going to take that risk. Any boring chats about nappy contents would be better than that. And of course I found out after a while that people aren't necessarily boring because they are different. Some of them were fun. They were company. I learnt a lot.

poshsinglemum · 01/05/2009 19:09

I find that when I am with any group of mums no matter what the background is all we talk about is babies. It can get a bit dull. I have found that when I feel I really like one of them I open up and talk about other issues but this is very rare.

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