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What do people think of these punishments?

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MogTheForgetfulCat · 08/01/2009 20:09

Bit of background... I work part-time (3 days) and have a nanny for my 2 boys on those days. She works the rest of the week as a nanny/housekeeper for another family (we don't know them, they live in another area) who also have 2 boys, 6 and 4.

Both boys are at school, and childcare on the other 3 days of the week for them is a local woman who does school runs and after school. This woman contacted my nanny this week to tell her that the mother had explained that they are using 2 particular punishments for the 4yo at the moment, because she wanted this woman to use them also, when necessary. They are putting him in a dark room, and putting him in a cold shower. This is because he is scared of the dark, and hates being cold, and so these punishments are designed to really "get through" to him.

The mother has not asked my nanny to use these punishments, and we suspect that this is because she knows my nanny (who is very experienced and very lovely) would say no and would express concern about their appropriateness.

I know all of this is third-hand, and my nanny has never witnessed anything of the sort, and doesn't know how long he is left in the dark/the shower (the woman didn't say how long it was meant to be for). She has also said that he is a very defiant little boy, who is fairly impervious to other sanctions, such as removal of privileges, sending to room etc. But the things he is being punished for are, to my mind, fairly trivial - back chat, throwing food, spitting etc. Hardly the crimes of the century, however infuriating they can be.

So my nanny is concerned, as am I - it's a bit bloody Dickensian, isn't it? I feel very sorry for him (a bit worried that, from what my nanny has said, he seems to be a bit of a family scapegoat, which is awful) and that these punishments are really very cruel.

Not sure what to do - think contacting social services seems a bit ott. Plus, this is an ostensibly very nice, middle class family (mum is a doctor) etc etc. But maybe if I contacted them, they could offer family therapy, or something? Or am I being a bleeding-heart sticky-beak? My gut reaction when my nanny told me this was that this was very wrong and upsetting, but thought I'd try to canvass some views from others.

Thanks in advance.

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youknownothingofthecrunch · 08/01/2009 20:11

Using a child's personal fears as punishments... words fail me.

KerryMumbles · 08/01/2009 20:12

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staryeyed · 08/01/2009 20:12

I would contact SS if I were you.

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nancy75 · 08/01/2009 20:12

dark room or cold shower? is she running a prison camp ? thats bloody awful.

MogTheForgetfulCat · 08/01/2009 20:14

Thanks for quick responses - my first instinct was to contact SS, but wondered if I was being ott. Also think that SS will not believe me/the family will be able to talk their way out of it. But think I will do it anyway. Feel so for him.

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curlygal · 08/01/2009 20:14

Thatis awful - I thought that punishments like that went out with the Victorians.

As you say it is third hand, what is the woamn who was asked to dole out the "punishments" doing? Could you ask your nanny to talk to her about it?

scifinerd · 08/01/2009 20:15

What you described actually makes me feel sick to my stomach, that poor child.

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TheHamstershouldbedeadbynow · 08/01/2009 20:16

SOunds appalling. Just because they are middle class and doctors doesn't make any difference.

Not sure what you can do though - maybe call the NSPCC for some advice?

CuddlysBumLooksBigInThis · 08/01/2009 20:16

Jesus, that is shocking! Bad, bad idea, irresponsible, neglectful, abusive even?

Thank god it's not my son, I would tear her a new arsehole.

Fluffybubble · 08/01/2009 20:17

If the mother has not asked your nanny to implement these punishments, because she knows that your nanny will (completely justifiably!) object, then she obviously understands that they are wrong! Can you nanny raise this as an issue with the mother directly? Maybe you could ring the NSPCC for some hypothetical advice? Is tricky, as this is all based on hearsay, but still and for the little boy.

MadamDeathstare · 08/01/2009 20:17

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youknownothingofthecrunch · 08/01/2009 20:17

If I was punished regularly by being locked in a room full of cockroaches (my own little fear) for any minor misdemeanour I have to say I could only class this as a form of torture. They are going to drive that child insane in a very literal sense. The more I think about it the more SS seems like a sensible course of action. This is not ok.

It's not just that the punishments are Dickensian it is that they are designed to instill abject fear in the child.

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TheHamstershouldbedeadbynow · 08/01/2009 20:17

BTW one of the worst cases of neglect I heard of was from 2 doctors - no-one is immune from being cruel just because of their job

MogTheForgetfulCat · 08/01/2009 20:17

Curlygal - yes, think my nanny is going to speak to the woman and get more info about what the mum has asked her to do, and for what "offences", for how long etc.

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TheHamstershouldbedeadbynow · 08/01/2009 20:20

Well that's another one then Kerry - this was in the UK - and from someone I know who used to doing cleaning for them - it was shocking !

MogTheForgetfulCat · 08/01/2009 20:20

Ringing NSPCC v good idea - will do that. You're right, it IS abusive - so glad people have agreed with me. I should have had the courage of my convictions and rung NSPCC or SS today.

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MogTheForgetfulCat · 08/01/2009 20:21

MadamDeathstare - that's right.

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liahgen · 08/01/2009 20:21

just

God, horribly, this goes on all over. If noone steps in, it will continue to go on.

Please do something

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CuddlysBumLooksBigInThis · 08/01/2009 20:21

Oh, just realised it's Mum not Nanny. She is unfit to parent. Clearly. Such bizarre behaviour.

onebatmother · 08/01/2009 20:21

SS.

Not fair to involve the nanny since it's her livelihood.

It's difficult, but you must step up to the bat, tomorrow.