Would you let a young person climb a mountain in this weather?

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Opinion needed. 17yr old DD. Her workplace has had a hike up Snowden booked for the last few months for...... tomorrow. I've been keeping an eye on the weather situation and as most people are aware there has been an amber to red weather warning for extreme heat issued for Wednesday and Thursday. I spoke to DD earlier in the week about it, she the coach can't be rearranged for another day as they will lose the deposit for the coach but that they have all decided they will take it very slow and walk at the slowest persons speed and take lots of rest breaks
Last night I was looking at the weather and reports and hubby and I decided it wasn't safe..... she absolutely kicked off. Crying, palpitations, saying she wants to go blah blah blah. We tried to talk to her reasonably and showed her government advice about the weather, we were reasonable and gave all the evidence including that from hiking websites who advise against it and she was having absolutely none of it. She still wants to go. We ended up in a huge argument with her. She was sobbing and had a panic attack. We had to stop and we agreed to pick it up today and make the decision later. (She's not speaking to us this morning!!!)
I just don't know what to do?!?! She hates me right now, that's ok, I can take that. But even with all that here I am....still trying to find compromises even though every bone in my body says no!!!
Do I email the people she works with and ask for reassurances ? It's a social thing so not a work event.
She has 5litres of water she may need more, she's got to carry that though!!??! As well as everything else
She's never hiked like that before other than with DofE!!
She's bought all the right food (nutrition bars, couscous, dried fruit etc). Has sunblock and the right clothes.
She's argued the weather where we live is currently 'cloudy' but that's not to say tomorrow will be or will be in Wales. They're leaving at 6am so will arrive at 8am and it'll be walking through the main heat of the day.
At 17 she's still underage. We explained that we still have final say. Do I be the 'bad guy' or do I let her make her own decision? It's just a bloomin dangerous decision in my own humble opinion!!!! What are your thoughts?
Wishing for the toddler years ago...they seemed so much easier than parenting teenagers!!!!

Every time DH has climbed it fog has descended and has never seen the view!

it’s one of those events where, if things take a turn, it gets quite bad quite quickly. Is the person leading it a sensible sort, or an intrepid ‘no-one’s turning back on my watch’ sort of pillock? It’s all very well saying we’ll walk at the slowest person’s speed. When that becomes reality, folk can get pissed off and a bit nasty if someone is slowing the rest down.

Shes 17 for goodness sake!
She not a child, its her decision not yours.

If she's generally fit and sensible, she'll be fine!
Whilst any hiking up a mountain shuld never be underestimated, I think it's not as difficult or challenging as some hikes I have done abroad, many in the Alps are between moderate to difficult... in the UK they would be classed difficult or worse.

But it's obviously subjective!!

Find out what the local mountain rescue are advising, since it would be them put at risk if anything goes wrong.

if it’s is a group ‘walk’ arranged by her workplace, I’d really avoid forbidding her to join them.

They will have experienced leaders who will take everything into account.

If it’s one inexperienced individual, I’d react very differently.

It sounds like they are employing a mountain leader to provide the expertise.

Telling a working 17 year old they aren't allowed to do this and consider contacting her work is completely out of order. I don't think her reaction to that is particularly dramatic. She probably feels you treat her like a child. Do you restrict other things she does ?

@helpfulperson I thought coach meant bus not leader

She’s 17 she should be able to make her own decisions.

I got that impression as well

I’m inclined to think that if she is still at the stage where she has panic attacks if she is disagreed with, she doesn’t have the emotional maturity to make these decisions.

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond with details and reassurance.
I bought the electrolyte powder sachets.
Her response also took me a little by surprise. A chat about it is on the cards.I did wonder if her response was just her not getting her own way.

I wouldn’t be doing it but I don’t know anything about this individual place. I’m assuming it’s overseen by someone knowledgable and the work has proper health and safely in place? Surely it will be absolutely miserable? Send her out to buy some milk at midday and see how she likes that.

Snowdon isn’t that difficult a climb, relatively speaking. When we were staying with a group around there, one of our number went out early to do it and was back for a late breakfast.
I was 21 when I did it, in gym shoes and tracksuit bottoms (not advisable).
As others have said, proper clothing and equipment, plenty of water, a hat and sunscreen. You can’t forbid her and please don’t email her work.

this. And it's a work event. So unless she wants to look bad in front of her employer, I don't think she (or you) gets to call the shots.

She does sound very immature. More like a 13 year olds reaction rather than a working 17 year old.
If she insists on going all you can do is hope that she is sensible and stays with the group.
(Been there done that I know how stressful it is when teenagers are wanting more independence)

@Floppyearedlab its a social event organised through work so not a work event as such. And even if it is a work event if you don’t think it is safe you shouldn’t have to take part. I would think any reasonably strenuous outdoor team building event organised in the next few days maybe postponed by most employers.

I cannot regulate my body temperature very well, and overheat very rapidly and then get dizzy and potential to faint. No way would I be hiking in this weather no matter how bad it might look to my boss

Yr Wyddfa is right on the very edge of the amber alert area. It might be pretty warm in the valley but it cools off rapidly as you ascend and there is often a good sea breeze, especially on the western flank (which Rhyd Ddu takes). The current summit temperature is 21.5C and it won't get much warmer than that tomorrow.

The biggest risk is sunburn, so she should take and apply plenty of high factor suncream. As long as she is properly equipped, has plenty of water, and is reasonably fit, she'll have a great time.

https://yrwyddfa.live/

Here’s the live info for you.

PS she is a working adult, not sure why you’ve told her she is ‘under-age’?

They could always take the mountain railway up or down!

Looking at the mwis forecast for snowdon tomorrow - it’s hot and humid but not impossible for someone who is fit. It’s relatively short and easy

plenty of liquid before setting out

she won’t need 5 litres if the forecast is correct but having a few extra lites in the coach is a good idea

I don’t think you can rely on there being seats on the train, iirc you usually have to book well in advance.

She will be fine. Encourage water, suncream and a hat and let her crack on. Shes almost an adult and needs to make her own decision.

At 17yrs old in the UK you are still a child in the eyes of the law (e.g., in the criminal justice system and child protection laws)

I’d say with the right things and with the right people, she’ll be fine. But then I’ve done lots of hiking in very hot countries.
I think it’s been suggested already, but definitely make sure she takes good electrolyte tablets.
Hopefully people will be properly equipped and not turning up with a small bottle of water and flip flops.

The one thing I would be looking at is the local search and rescue advice. We are farmers in Scotland and we help when people need it, alongside search and rescue as we know the hills and can access them faster.

if they are advising not to walk, that would be when I said no.