Baby Preston Davey - Content warning concerns CSA (added by MNHQ)

[Sadmamma35]

I’ve just read about baby Preston Davey and I cannot stop thinking about him. I have a 13-month-old of my own, which is probably why this has hit me so hard — I can really relate and my baby is my everything.
I’m crying as I write this. Why does it hurt so much for a baby I’ve never even met? Has anyone else felt this way?
How do you cope with the negative thoughts that follow when you read something like this? 💙

Oh I see sorry I didn't read it properly.

It's just all so fucking horrible and the futility of knowing that it will only be a matter of time before the next case.

No worries it’s early

Unfortunately you’re right and they will put things into place that ensure what has already happened never happens again, and it won’t in that time and place but will somewhere else. That said, it’s been a long time since there’s been such a horrific situation.

I am not celebrating anything.

Can't see anything on line this morning

There are live updates on MEN again, starting with the cross examination by the prosecution of JV. No mention of yesterday.

It's disgusting. They were out of control.

Also did no one from any service check on that baby after he was adopted

Did you see the police interviews with Jamie Varley? What a terrible attitude

The interviews show how disgustingly arrogant he is, he honestly seems to think he can talk his way out of what he’s done without any alternative explanations for the injuries and death.

It happened recently in America with two gay dads who adopted their son. They were the Zulocks and what they did to their adopted child makes for abhorrent reading.

Given the preponderance of so-called "child porn" (real children and babies being sexually abused and raped, in other words) found in the thousands of images on so many men's computers, which our judges seem to be in the nasty habit of letting them off for, I would suggest, I'm afraid, that what happened to Preston will be happening to children and babies far more regularly than most of us like to think.

There is quite clearly a market for watching it and for making it. There are lots of men who clearly get off on it and would do it, horrific as that is to contemplate. So I'm sorry but, no, I very much doubt it's been a long time since this happened to a child or baby in reality. Shocking as it is, this is a case that only happens to be in the public view now because these this repellent pair got caught. But how many aren't? This should be a wake up call for everyone, it really should.

And as for those agencies who were supposed to be safeguarding this vulnerable little boy, but seem to have missed multiple red flags, I honestly have no words.

Juror was unwell that's why they didn't sit on Tuesday.

Not that it makes it any better for the child, but I can’t think of a case where a child appears to have been adopted purely for the purpose of sexual abuse. I haven’t heard of the American case though.

All over the world there are men buying surrogate babies. It is disturbing.

From what I’ve read the zulocks did exactly that. Like I say, abhorrent, but they do walk amongst us and you wouldn’t know it.

yes totally agree. I had an abusive childhood. I was bullied, physically assaulted and emotionally assaulted by my mother who just mirrored what her mother had done to her. I'm happily married, BUT made a decision not to have children. As you say, i can't guarantee that I wouldn't be an abuser myself. Interestingly my second cousin, who's mother (my mother's cousin) was just as bad as my mother has made the same decision. The abuse has to stop somewhere and we both decided (independently, interestingly) that the abuse would stop with us

yes and there is a heart-rending interview with his birth mother. Can't remember what Channel.

not surprised. I think i'd be unwell after listening to all that.

Mm, his birth mother (you can google her name) did some truly horrendous things in her youth for which she was, quite rightly, jailed. This isn't about her, and should not distract from what those two vile individuals did but afaik there are extremely good reasons that he was removed from her care at birth.

I'm afraid my sympathy is more with the foster mother who genuinely loved and cared for him for nearly a year and had to give him up to those monsters who then tortured, r*ped and murdered that baby within four short months. I can't help wondering if their knowledge of his background contributed to their thinking that nobody would really care about him.

If there is new prosecution evidence the prosecution has to declare it to the defence as I understand it.
But the defence doesn't have to declare new defence evidence.

Is this woman who did awful things his birth mother? I read something about on social media and some people were saying yes and others no as she would be too old (and others saying not possible as she is still in prison). So wasn’t sure.

I don't care what his birth mother did. If you can't care for your child safely it's reasonable for them to be taken into care and placed with someone who can, but it is not reasonable to have your child given to psychopathic murderous paedophiles who torture and murder him. To not have any sympathy for her after that happening is dreadfully cruel.

If it is indeed her (and there may be questions on that as she'd be around 40 now) she was a murderer who tortured an elderly woman to death. If not, then yes, of course I feel sympathy, I don't need a lecture on cruelty and humanity thanks; literally nobody has said, whoever she is, that it was in any way okay to have placed any baby, whoever his parents were, in the hands of two murderous paedophiles who it appears raped him to death and for numerous red flags that could have saved him to have been missed.

Which is the entire point of this thread and this case. Perhaps we should get back to it.

I feel desperately sad for his foster mother, who clearly loved and adored him and took care of him for the first 10 months of his life and initially thought she would've been handing him over to a better life. Of course, she has had JV lying about her and blaming her, as he seems to do with practically everyone, imagining he is very clever which of course - he isn't. The prosecution KC is having an easy time picking his lies apart.

I hope it’s coming across the same in the court to the jury. Apparently according to JV everyone is mistaken - hospital staff, social worker, health visitor, friends. Everything they say is wrong and of course his version is correct. Makes my blood boil

He's starting to lose his temper and the constant facetious use of sir is nauseating.

I still feel so sad about this