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Baby Preston Davey - Content warning concerns CSA (added by MNHQ)

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Sadmamma35 · 05/05/2026 00:45

I’ve just read about baby Preston Davey and I cannot stop thinking about him. I have a 13-month-old of my own, which is probably why this has hit me so hard — I can really relate and my baby is my everything.
I’m crying as I write this. Why does it hurt so much for a baby I’ve never even met? Has anyone else felt this way?
How do you cope with the negative thoughts that follow when you read something like this? 💙

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SparklyHazelEagle · 22/06/2026 13:51

hihelenhi · 22/06/2026 12:33

See, this is why for me a number of the flags in this case really cannot be said to be just "hindsight". Different individuals, usually those lower down the pecking order, ARE noticing problematic things and patterns at the time, in some cases quite rightly reporting concerns upwards as they know however small they seem they should be flagged, (the foster mum, the colleagues) but then the trail seems to stop, even though it really shouldn't have. Especially as simultaneously you are getting hospital visits etc.

I would've thought this was mandatory too, from the head teacher's pov as a professional at least, but apparently not. I am concerned also about the lack of child-centredness here when it comes to the welfare check.Yes, there is reason to check on her staff member, Preston is not her responsibilty technically but again, it is everyone's responsibility to safeguard a child. That's meant to be the point of being a 'safeguarding lead'. it's so frustrating.

Again, this isn't meant to target individuals who failed here. I get why the social worker can't act on something they don't even know about. But that link between the school finding something out and not saying anything externally is a key one, and it's one of several professional level 'cracks' that seem to have happened here. The head appears to have taken it on trust when JV tells her his social worker knows about his problems coping. I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to do that at any point; why shouldn't she have mentioned it or flagged it to someone? Even the "I had a welfare check with JV and made X decision". should have been noted surely. There seems to be something really wrong here.

I was really shocked when that was revealed in court, that after they figured out that the account of the injury was inconsistent, the welfare check was for JV and not Preston!

As you say, it was the lack of child-centredness.

I don't understand their behaviour at all.

ItsPickleRick · 22/06/2026 15:06

SparklyHazelEagle · 22/06/2026 13:51

I was really shocked when that was revealed in court, that after they figured out that the account of the injury was inconsistent, the welfare check was for JV and not Preston!

As you say, it was the lack of child-centredness.

I don't understand their behaviour at all.

The welfare check would have been for JV as their employee, the school staff would have had no authority to do a welfare check on Preston. However, the moment they were in the house they should also have been considering Preston and they absolutely should have reported their concerns.

SparklyHazelEagle · 22/06/2026 15:19

ItsPickleRick · 22/06/2026 15:06

The welfare check would have been for JV as their employee, the school staff would have had no authority to do a welfare check on Preston. However, the moment they were in the house they should also have been considering Preston and they absolutely should have reported their concerns.

Oh yeah, I didn't mean to word it like that. I just meant that their sole concern was for JV, not Preston. That part was shocking.

They should have reported it to social services.

If an adult gives conflicting account of an injury, that's a red flag. I don't understand why their concern was for JV in that instance?

Surely your concern would be with the child? And you'd report it to social services?

Putting aside their relationship with JV. If any adult, no matter your relationship with them, said something like that, you should report.

As the other poster said, the lack of child-centerdness is baffling.

ItsPickleRick · 22/06/2026 15:53

SparklyHazelEagle · 22/06/2026 15:19

Oh yeah, I didn't mean to word it like that. I just meant that their sole concern was for JV, not Preston. That part was shocking.

They should have reported it to social services.

If an adult gives conflicting account of an injury, that's a red flag. I don't understand why their concern was for JV in that instance?

Surely your concern would be with the child? And you'd report it to social services?

Putting aside their relationship with JV. If any adult, no matter your relationship with them, said something like that, you should report.

As the other poster said, the lack of child-centerdness is baffling.

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So many failings, and the common factor seems to be that everyone believed what JV told them without questioning it.

Differentforgirls · 22/06/2026 15:56

ItsPickleRick · 21/06/2026 21:41

Professional curiosity is absolutely key, once you start exercising that, the evidence follows.

If either a medic or a social worker had just asked to look at the date the video of the toy box falling was taken, things could have been very different.

We don’t need to (and absolutely shouldn’t) start demanding that genitals are checked if a child it’s taken to hospital. I think some of the answers are much more simple, although I’m aware of the cost/time implications.

A multi agency recording system that notes every contact with a child known to services would make information sharing so much easier. It would be instant. Too many things slip through the cracks because one professional didn’t communicate with another, or someone isn’t getting back to someone else, or someone can’t attend a meeting. I’m not saying this would be flawless, but it’s got to be a step in the right direction.

Professionals not taking anything at face value; we need to ask the difficult questions and not just accept what we’re being shown/told.

It seems so simple written down but it comes up time and time again in SCR’s and I fear it will be no different in this one; a lack of multi-agency working and a lack of professional curiosity.

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"A multi agency recording system that notes every contact with a child known to services would make information sharing so much easier."

Which is exactly why the Scottish Government wanted the Named Person Legislation.

But people objected to it as being "the nanny state" and "intrusive".

"They're MY children not the Governments"

I judge every single person who campaigned against it badly.

Threeslothsontheshirt · 22/06/2026 16:08

Amongst all our outrage over this appalling case can I just say what marvellous people Mr and Mrs Cooper must be to have given love and care to so many little ones for almost 30 years and how fortunate Preston was that they loved him and protected him for as long as they were allowed to. Bless them both x

SparklyHazelEagle · 22/06/2026 16:40

ItsPickleRick · 22/06/2026 15:53

So many failings, and the common factor seems to be that everyone believed what JV told them without questioning it.

With the co-workers. I think they were viewing the situation through the lens of supporting JV as a new adopter. He had been sending them texts saying he was unhappy. He was their friend, co-worker.

So maybe that set up this bias as to how they interpreted what he was saying?

Because JV was vocal about the fracture being 'all my fault' and being full of self-pity.

But when they realised they had been told different accounts, they thought that JV needed checking up on? What did they think it signified?

One of the colleagues raised their concerns with the headteacher and asked for a welfare check.

What were they concerned about?

I just cannot get my head around it that part.

3rdtimeinflorida · 22/06/2026 16:41

Threeslothsontheshirt · 22/06/2026 16:08

Amongst all our outrage over this appalling case can I just say what marvellous people Mr and Mrs Cooper must be to have given love and care to so many little ones for almost 30 years and how fortunate Preston was that they loved him and protected him for as long as they were allowed to. Bless them both x

Completely true. I can’t imagine how they must be feeling. At least Preston was shown true love and care from them albeit in a short amount of time. Glad they are continuing to foster in Preston’s name.

hihelenhi · 22/06/2026 17:44

SparklyHazelEagle · 22/06/2026 16:40

With the co-workers. I think they were viewing the situation through the lens of supporting JV as a new adopter. He had been sending them texts saying he was unhappy. He was their friend, co-worker.

So maybe that set up this bias as to how they interpreted what he was saying?

Because JV was vocal about the fracture being 'all my fault' and being full of self-pity.

But when they realised they had been told different accounts, they thought that JV needed checking up on? What did they think it signified?

One of the colleagues raised their concerns with the headteacher and asked for a welfare check.

What were they concerned about?

I just cannot get my head around it that part.

Yes, quite. "JV told us all about how the baby he's adopting broke his elbow but he's told us all different stories. Therefore, head teacher, we're terribly worried about JV, I think you should check on JV's welfare because reasons. The little baby who's been hurt and we don't know why? Oh yeah, never mind him, I'm sure he and his broken elbow are fine."

Though tbf, we don't know that when the colleague who escalated it asked for a welfare check they did just mean of JV rather than Preston. Regardless, it still should have been raised to social services by someone at the school.

ItsPickleRick · 23/06/2026 07:03

I didn’t realise that there was a similar case in Cardiff in 2016. An adopted baby girl murdered by one male adopter while the other male was working. Multiple visits to hospital with injuries prior to her death.

SparklyHazelEagle · 23/06/2026 11:34

ItsPickleRick · 23/06/2026 07:03

I didn’t realise that there was a similar case in Cardiff in 2016. An adopted baby girl murdered by one male adopter while the other male was working. Multiple visits to hospital with injuries prior to her death.

Yes, baby Shayla (adopted name- Elsie Scully Hicks).

There were some articles written about the inquiry into her death and why the lack of 'professional curiosity' into her injuries. They found that a positive bias towards adopters was the underlying reason for this.

This is a really good article about the inequalities and positive bias towards potential adopters in the adoption system-

These flaws can lead to vulnerable children being rushed into unsuitable adoptions, and then pushed back into care once the adoption breaks down.

But there is a culture of unquestioned optimism and inadequate scrutiny of decision-making through the process that can be disastrous. Indeed, it should be no surprise to anyone working in the system that one theme of the review was that, with the benefit of hindsight, professionals were excessively positive about Elsie’s adoptive placement.

The implication is that social workers and health professionals were unwilling to consider that adoptive parents might harm their child.

That is inevitable in a system that, despite the complex realities, views adoption as the optimum outcome for children in care.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/23/social-workers-adoption-system-failings

And

However, as the Review concedes, this ‘positive lens’ led to a minimisation of concerns about S’s injuries, 2 incidences of delay in getting medical treatment to her and MSH informing the HV he had sought GP advice about a bruise when he had not. The Review comments that ‘… with the benefit of hindsight, the monitoring and review of children placed for adoption can be strengthened by ensuring that safeguarding responsibilities are given due emphasis’.

but rather skates over the concerns in the body of the Review that the significance of some of this information was missed; either because it was unknown (the second fracture) or because it was not seen in its proper context – serious bruising and delays in taking S to the GP for example. The reason for this is given as that the adoptive parents would inevitably be seen through a positive lens, as adoption is inevitably seen as a positive thing for a child. Thus as the Review concedes there was a ‘lack of professional curiosity’ regarding S’s experiences.

childprotectionresource.online/if-a-parent-has-parental-responsibility-and-no-one-cares-what-remedies-do-they-have/

Chances missed to save Cardiff toddler killed by father, review finds

Doctor and social workers failed to spot or log injuries to Elsie Scully-Hicks, says report

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/02/professionals-missed-chances-to-protect-toddler-killed-by-father-elsie-scully-hicks

SparklyHazelEagle · 23/06/2026 11:45

And it's another example where professional were quick to believe the explanations given by the abusive adopter for their child's injuries.

Domino91 · 23/06/2026 12:13

I think a lot of the positive bias towards adopters is likely class related as well.

Differentforgirls · 23/06/2026 12:25

"At the time of the child’s death it was difficult to draw a timeline of the child’s medical history partly because a number of different IT systems were involved and Elsie was known by four different combinations of the birth and adopted name. “No one agency or worker held all the relevant information on this child,” the review said."

This is the same thing that happens in most of the murders of young children.

No joined up worklng.

SparklyHazelEagle · 23/06/2026 15:18

Why did it take a child's death to reveal adoption system failings? (article about he findings of the inquiry into baby Shayla (Elsie) murder, by her adoptive father.

Our adoption system is failing children. The review into the death of Elsie Scully-Hicks identified important lessons for professionals involved in protecting children. But it does not go far enough: it misses a number of fundamental flaws in the system that were evident before her death. These flaws can lead to vulnerable children being rushed into unsuitable adoptions, and then pushed back into care once the adoption breaks down.

This should not be news to social workers, adopters or foster carers. But there is a culture of unquestioned optimism and inadequate scrutiny of decision-making through the process that can be disastrous. Indeed, it should be no surprise to anyone working in the system that one theme of the review was that, with the benefit of hindsight, professionals were excessively positive about Elsie’s adoptive placement.

The implication is that social workers and health professionals were unwilling to consider that adoptive parents might harm their child. That is inevitable in a system that, despite the complex realities, views adoption as the optimum outcome for children in care. It is a system that treats potential adoptive parents’ experiences differently to those of birth parents: anecdotally, an adoptive parent who has experienced some form of childhood adversity is likely to be described as resilient and empathic to the needs of the children they may adopt. The same experience in a birth parent’s childhood is likely to be seen as the opposite – a risk factor and an area of vulnerability.

There are stark differences in the way potential adopters and birth parents are assessed. When a local authority begins care proceedings, it is not unusual for birth parents to be asked to engage in endless assessments by various professionals. Commonly, this will include examinations of their parenting capacity, cognitive functioning (including psychometric testing) and mental health, the latter two led by a psychologist. Often there will be duplications, with two social workers each completing different assessments, with many families repeatedly asked the same questions. In the case of a parent with a learning disability, there will usually be a further parenting assessment.
Potential adopters, in contrast, are assessed once by a social worker who then acts as their supervisor and advocate. Assessments of adopters tend to be overly descriptive with little analysis. While the review into Elsie Scully-Hicks’ death asserted that the assessments of her adopters were robust, in general there are substantial inconsistencies in the quality of these assessments. My experience is that it is not uncommon for them to be less rigorous and demanding than assessments of birth parents. Guidance on assessments of adopters was revised in 2011 to increase levels of analysis, but little seems to have changed.

Typically, adopters whose application is approved will continue to be represented by the social worker who assessed them. This means that their social worker is invested in the adopters having a child placed in their care – it is on the basis of their professional judgment that this recommendation is made. But it is also in the interests of the child’s social worker for them to be placed with an adopter, because otherwise there would be a delay to the child being provided with a long-term placement.

The coalition government’s well-intentioned drive to speed up the adoption process has added pressure to prioritise a placement even if there is uncertainty about its merits. It does not feel like a system that promotes sound decision-making, and there seems to be a lack of scrutiny at every stage: once a court grants a placement order, a local authority is free to place a child in an adopter’s care. Adoption panels, which should provide independent oversight, have little real authority to challenge proposed placements and only make recommendations. It is unusual for them to probe social workers’ analysis. The adoption agency decision maker, who must approve the placement, bases their decision on the reports from the social workers, which are bound to be positive.

Similarly, when courts are asked to grant an adoption order, decisions are based on a suitability report from the social workers involved, Moreover, once the child has been placed in the care of the adopter, professionals are reluctant to disrupt the placement. A social worker would have to have enormous confidence in their judgment to suggest moving a child once they have settled into a new home.

The number of adoption breakdowns is evidence of the inadequacy of existing processes. A 2014 government-commissioned study found that 3.2% of adoptions broke down over a 12-year period, but that hides large differences across the country – the rate is said to be as high as 20% in some areas and a BBC survey last year found 25% of adoptive families were “in crisis”. The cause of poor outcomes for these families is frequently attributed to the lack of support services available to adoptive parents. This is undoubtedly a factor. The lack of robust assessments and limited scrutiny of placements must be another.

It is the system that is failing, not individual professionals. It should not have taken the death of a child to highlight flaws in the system, but this must lead to improvements in the way social workers select and assess adopters. We must not be afraid to question and challenge colleagues when a decision is being made to place a child with an adopter. There should be additional scrutiny of the processes to match a child with their new family, from the courts and senior managers. If we do not change the system, we implicitly accept that children will continue to be placed with adopters who will reject them or, at worst, harm them.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/23/social-workers-adoption-system-failings

StrictlyCoffee · 24/06/2026 14:55

Differentforgirls · 22/06/2026 15:56

"A multi agency recording system that notes every contact with a child known to services would make information sharing so much easier."

Which is exactly why the Scottish Government wanted the Named Person Legislation.

But people objected to it as being "the nanny state" and "intrusive".

"They're MY children not the Governments"

I judge every single person who campaigned against it badly.

“People” didn’t just object to it. It was found to be unlawful by the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom

Differentforgirls · 24/06/2026 14:57

StrictlyCoffee · 24/06/2026 14:55

“People” didn’t just object to it. It was found to be unlawful by the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom

Exactly. Which is why I can't wait to leave the UK. Our children deserve better.

StudyinBlue · 24/06/2026 16:35

The UK had ContactPoint. We even were in the process of rolling out training in my organisation. Then the coalition government got in in May 2010 and it was immediately shut down.

StrictlyCoffee · 25/06/2026 08:42

Differentforgirls · 24/06/2026 14:57

Exactly. Which is why I can't wait to leave the UK. Our children deserve better.

Well where would you go? It was in breach of the European Comvention of Human Rights. Is any country that doesn’t hold to basic levels of human rights going to be a great place to live?

Differentforgirls · 25/06/2026 08:55

StrictlyCoffee · 25/06/2026 08:42

Well where would you go? It was in breach of the European Comvention of Human Rights. Is any country that doesn’t hold to basic levels of human rights going to be a great place to live?

I would stay in the country I'm in which would be no longer part of the UK.

AleaEim · 25/06/2026 21:58

https://c.org/cxSBPYpZJC

A petition for adopted children has come about after this case. Please sign!

3rdtimeinflorida · 26/06/2026 21:00

I’ve just seen on the BBC news website that another murdered toddler was seen the day before Preston Davey at the same hospital.
Those poor babies. Failed.

mathanxiety · 30/06/2026 02:27

SparklyHazelEagle · 22/06/2026 12:21

In America, teachers are mandated reporters. I just assumed they were here too.

Not just teachers but daycare workers and after school workers - anyone even without a degree in education who looks after children in an official setting has to become a certified mandated reporter. It's a simple course with yes/ no, true/ false questions at the end, but you are required to be aware of your responsibility.

Netcurtainnelly · 05/07/2026 14:53

It dosent make sense really. Neither these two freaks, nor the man who killed Elsie Scilly Hicks needed to be in this position. They choose to adopt. They engineered their own downfall and problems.

Why did they feel they needed to adopt a child? In both cases the one who gave up work was obvs home alone and doing vile things.
They could have just carried on being two blokes living together. Both at work and enjoying their lives together without the stress or upset of having children or having to give up work etc to care for a child.

These idiots are ruining their own lives. They are putting themselves into positions they didn't need to be in.
Are any time they could have owned up to authorities and said it's not working out etc. If you kill a child you will just end up ruining your own life by being banged up and hated in prison!
Also I thought the sentence for Elsie Scully murderHicks was terrible, why only 18 years? Should have been appealed.

Being in prison for ever for Varley was the best thing, but why why let it get that far?

Netcurtainnelly · 05/07/2026 15:02

Teacupover5 · 07/05/2026 19:53

Absolutely heartbreaking -my own children are long grown up but I remember them being tiny boys .These disgusting animals should be put into prisons unprotected where they will be torn apart .
It is what they deserve .

Animals wrong word, animals wouldn't do what they did. They are vile, disgusting, human beings