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My wife despises me

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GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:08

My wife and I have been married for 3 years and we have been together for 7 years. We are on child #2. He is almost 5 months old.

I work from home. She does not work. She cannot sleep with the baby, so we have an asymmetric sleep schedule. I am responsible for the baby from 8pm or 9pm to 4am or 5am. She wakes up at that time and we trade off. I wake up sometime between 8am and noon, usually when our first child wakes me up.

I wrote about my first child in my only other thread here. She is now 2 going on 3, and is still an incredibly difficult, incredibly independent little girl who does not express any form of affection and is delayed in all forms of social communication. I am convinced she has autism but I am not allowed to say this because my wife becomes upset. She can speak, and will speak, but does not pay attention to anything when directed to pay attention to it, does not address either of us by mama or papa, and only talks about things she is interested in. For instance, she can say "triceratops" and "stegosaurus" perfectly, but I have never heard her say "mama" except once as an infant.

On a typical day we have 1 or 2 hours together. Most days we do not have this time together because she is angry at me. She is angry and depressed almost all the time.

Today, I took the entire day off. It's a holiday in the US. Promptly after waking up at noon, we went into town and did stuff until we got home at 6pm. After 6pm, I took our daughter to the river and I occupied her for 2 hours. When I got back, it was time to put the baby down. The baby was difficult and did not go to sleep easily.

During the 8pm~9pm window where we usually put the baby down, I make a coffee, because I am up for another 8 hours. I offered to hold the baby while making coffee because my wife has been complaining about foot and back pain constantly recently. While making coffee, the baby became irate. She took the baby from me because she will not allow the baby to cry under any circumstance without her holding it. She then also turned off the light. This caused me to spill boiling water and coffee grinds everywhere because I couldn't tell my coffee maker was closed. She turns off the lights whenever possible, even when I'm doing stuff, because it bothers her to see dirt on the floor.

I got irritated but said nothing, I was just visibly annoyed. Once she had the baby again, she fed him and changed him. I thought she had already fed and changed him before giving him to me because she had him for 2 hours before I got home. She made no mention that he needed to bed or changed before giving him to me, and I explicitly said I would be carrying him while making coffee while holding him.

After that I had nothing to do and she did not communicate to me to ask I do anything. So, i took my coffee and went to check on my work. As I mentioned, I work from home. My productivity has been suffering because because I am staying up until 4am instead of working at normal times, and I am having to help more with the two kids. It is frustrating because if I lose this job I know I will have to work a normal 9-5 and I have no reason to believe my wife can handle the children by herself.

While on my computer, she walked the baby in circles, because she doesn't believe the baby can put himself to sleep and will not allow him to fall asleep on his own. She was doing a very noticeable hobbled gimped walk while walking with him when I went out to the bathroom. I offered to take him. She said no.

When the baby was finally laid down, she went to the bathroom and was audibly sobbing. She sent me nasty text messages about how I don't do enough, how I don't try, I do the bare minimum as a form of malicious compliance, and I have the easy job of staying up to 4am because he just sleeps when he's with me. I told her she did not communicate anything to me at any point in time.

I am extremely unhappy. I regret my choices in life. I feel like if I had married someone younger (we were 30 when we had our first) she would be able to keep up with the children. I wanted 4 children but she seems completely overwhelmed with 2 and doesn't seem physically capable of dealing with 2.

She has been making it more clear to me over time that she is not interested in more children (despite 4 being clearly communicated before we got married) and has also been hinted that if we ever got divorced she would deliberately try to make my life as difficult as possible. For instance, today on the way home, we were discussing the license plates on my truck. They are expired and I need to decide in which state I want to tag them. For various reasons, I would only tag them locally (thus avoiding a 12 hour drive to a different state) if I put the vehicle in a company we each own a half of. I joked "the problem with that is then you'd own half my truck" (a joke, feigning over-protectiveness of the truck [she can't even drive, she's from a european major city and has relied on public transit her entire life]); she immediately snapped and used very specific legal language about how I bought it after we were married, so under common law she already owns half of it. It felt very threatening and I did not appreciate it.

Last time I vented everyone told me I was shit and I'm expecting to hear that again. I just want to vent. I don't like talking about my problems to people I know. I just really don't like waking up in each morning noon.

OP posts:
MumChp · 27/05/2025 06:34

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 27/05/2025 06:29

I wasn't talking about the honey point. I was talking about his "she can't be depressed she German and therefore always anxious" statement.

Nationality has nothing to do with it. Being an anxious person normally though, much more predisposed to depression when things are changed/more difficult, and having a small child AND a newborn are pretty high up on the difficulty scale.

She needs support not dismissing as "just anxious all the time".

Both wife and child need to see a doctor for long term treatment. Now. And OP needs to accept it.

Nationality isn't important but I did wonder if the children are raised bilingual. It could stress the mum even more. Bilingualism is quite hard work but great for the children. They are most likely German citizens too.

pilates · 27/05/2025 06:38

There is a lot going on here and professional help is needed. And I wouldn’t contemplate bringing more children into this family before the above problems are addressed.

CakeBlanchett · 27/05/2025 06:39

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:38

There's absolutely nothing a doctor can do for her. What are they going to do? Slam her on SSRIs?

You don’t know what a psych or Dr can do for her. What is clear is that she sounds mentally unwell and needs help, and you can’t continue as things are.

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Feetinthegrass · 27/05/2025 06:53

Your wife sounds isolated, depressed and burnt out to me, can her mother fly out and stay for a month or two? Can your wife fly home and stay with her mother?

I agree she needs counselling and PND support urgently as a minimum. This level of anxiety is not normal at all, and will get worse if left untreated. You are running a real risk doing nothing at all on the medical front. She is high risk. Please book her an appointment today.

charcuterieboard · 27/05/2025 06:58

Are you sure you couldn’t persuade her to have two more kids? It’s hardly an unreasonable thing to want in the circumstances, and definitely a sign of good judgement on your part. And as you said, you did clearly communicate your expectations to her on that front pre-kids so I don’t see any reason at all here why she might have changed her mind.

AlorsTimeForWine · 27/05/2025 07:02

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:15

I am not allowed to sleep. I have to be awake to check the baby is breathing. If I fall asleep and she gets up to the bathroom and sees I'm asleep, she gets mad.

Doing 8-4am is mad if you are working.
This is slso madness.

My dh did 8-12/1 and I was very happy with that.

The baby's sleeping arrangment makes no sense either.

None of it is practical. I think the sleep deprivation means you cant think straight.
you need a new set up.

Separately

  1. she sounds like she is struggling. massively.she likely needs professionally help ie Drs
  2. I wouldn't even bother thinking about 4 kids now...
  3. The floors can you get a cheap robot vacuum cleaner i love mine.
Namechangeforthis88 · 27/05/2025 07:13

You don't want to fix anything, you just want to be right about everything.

You sound a cruel man.

TreesToday · 27/05/2025 07:20

You have a lot of stressors at the moment: recent-sounding move, isolated location, lack of support, new businesses / career changes, new baby, anxious personalities, SEN kids. Look, any single one of these would be enough to deal with, rather than all of them at once.

Your post just oozes with contempt for your wife. I think you’re turning against each other due to the above stressors. You urgently need to add as many additional resources to your family set up.

Sort out the new baby’s sleep situation. Your wife is correct about the risks. Can she sleep in one room with your older child and you sleep in another with the baby on a crib? With more sleep you would all feel better. I think it’s quite unreasonable that you are doing the main nights. Is it you who is insisting on the office desk bed? This is the most obvious thing to change.

Your wife does sound like she has post partum depression and anxiety. If you could go beyond your contempt and show her compassion you could encourage her to go to the Drs. SSRIs are great and you are being so unreasonable to dismiss them. Can your mother in law come over again?

You need to take your eldest to start the assessment process. Autism is often genetic. Could it be your wife that has autistic traits and her MH issues are part of that? Or could it be you, and you’re struggling to communicate? Of course it could be neither, but it’s worth considering if undiagnosed NDs are contributing to the problems.

I see that you’re really trying to take action but by doing new things (business for her, move into town). You may need to switch into more immediate, responsive mode. Try to address your wife and kids now, as they are, rather than projecting into the future. Try to stabilise your situation by developing better sleep, better routines. If you disagree about the baby then try to find ways to negotiate (after sleeping!) eg your wife was right about the honey etc.

fairgame84 · 27/05/2025 07:21

Get the baby a cot to sleep in.
Get him an owlet sock so you and your wife can sleep when he sleeps without het worrying about sids.
Start getting him into a routine where he can fall asleep without being held.
Get your wife some medical help, ssri's can be life changing so don't dismiss them. She needs her feet looking at as well if they are painful.
Get your daughter assessed, it's in her best interests whether your wife likes it or not.
If you can afford a cleaner or some home help that might take some of the load off your wife.
Forget about 4 kids, the 2 you've got are too much for you and your wife.

Koazy · 27/05/2025 07:27

4 kids and yet you refer to the baby as it in your first post.

your wife needs anxiety meds

UrbanMonstrosity · 27/05/2025 07:45

When are you moving?
Can you afford another vehicle for your wife?
This life is so alien to her and she’s overwhelmed, lonely, depressed and in pain!
She needs to be out and doing things with other people sometimes, needs some mental and social stimulation.
She needs support for her and your toddler, not criticism for not being able to have two more children.

Velvian · 27/05/2025 07:47

Namechangeforthis88 · 27/05/2025 07:13

You don't want to fix anything, you just want to be right about everything.

You sound a cruel man.

I agree with this. Why on earth is your baby sleeping on a desk @GoldFive ? It is totally absurd. Sleep is the most important thing for everyone in a household with a baby and toddler.

Get a travel cot and a good sofa bed set up in the living room if there is not sufficient space in your office. Invest in a fancy baby monitor that has an alarm if the baby stops breathing.

An SSRI saved my life when I had PND. How were the births of the children @GoldFive ?

Mumtobabyhavoc · 27/05/2025 08:13

OP's posts are bizarre. OP sounds unwilling to consider any advice. Why is he so against medication for his wife? Maybe she needs it? She sounds like she has some significant mental health issues. Who puts baby in a bed at night that isn't safe for sleeping? Buy a bloody cot/pack 'n play. 🤦‍♀️ Take turns getting up each night, or alternate nights. Wear ear plugs when it's not your turn.
Making 4 kids a condition in your marriage is insane.
Your older child needs major attention. Get her help asap for suspected SEN. No doubt she is also suffering from your marital issues and a new baby can be a very traumatic change for a child. Really, there's so much to unpack and I've just scratched the surface.

SapporoBaby · 27/05/2025 08:17

Nothing to do with her age. Most mums are 30+ now and many manage just fine. Additionally, it doesn’t matter if you said you wanted 4 beforehand - unless you are doing the pregnancy and birth part it’s not your choice. The woman gets veto as it could harm her body to have that many.

The more updates you post the more strange it is to me that you can’t see how mentally unwell your wife is. It’s not just anxiousness… to me it sounds like horrific OCD based around the death of you or the kids. SSRIs could very much help as could therapy and it’s bizarre to me that you’re determined that the issues are just her personality and not an illness.

Baby Shouldn’t be sleeping on a desk. He should be in a safe cot. Your wife shouldn’t be abusing you by screaming at you if you sleep while baby is in a safe sleeping scenario.

Oneearringlost · 27/05/2025 08:19

charcuterieboard · 27/05/2025 06:58

Are you sure you couldn’t persuade her to have two more kids? It’s hardly an unreasonable thing to want in the circumstances, and definitely a sign of good judgement on your part. And as you said, you did clearly communicate your expectations to her on that front pre-kids so I don’t see any reason at all here why she might have changed her mind.

What??!!

Oneearringlost · 27/05/2025 08:20

Is this a poor attempt at humour @charcuterieboard ?

MissyB1 · 27/05/2025 08:29

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:44

This means nothing. All they can do is prescribe SSRIs and painkillers.

Did you go to medical school? If not then stop trying to predict what a Doctor can actually do for their patients.

Its very clear your wife is unwell, and its having a very detrimental effect on all of you. Until that is acknowledged and addressed none of you will move forward.

fatphalange · 27/05/2025 08:42

Your living conditions would be significantly ameliorated if you would just put your hand in your supposedly deep pocket and buy your child a fucking normal, safe place to sleep.
IF there are no mental health problems at play here then you both need some counselling in order to open your eyes to obvious priorities and develop simple problem solving strategies.
Your baby needs a cot to sleep in. Your current scenario of propping him up in some sort of cat basket while your peer over him for the majority of the night to check he is breathing is not normal and robbing you of your own sleep and sanity and is also a source of major discord and resentment in your relationship. Sort it out.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 27/05/2025 08:53

SapporoBaby · 27/05/2025 08:17

Nothing to do with her age. Most mums are 30+ now and many manage just fine. Additionally, it doesn’t matter if you said you wanted 4 beforehand - unless you are doing the pregnancy and birth part it’s not your choice. The woman gets veto as it could harm her body to have that many.

The more updates you post the more strange it is to me that you can’t see how mentally unwell your wife is. It’s not just anxiousness… to me it sounds like horrific OCD based around the death of you or the kids. SSRIs could very much help as could therapy and it’s bizarre to me that you’re determined that the issues are just her personality and not an illness.

Baby Shouldn’t be sleeping on a desk. He should be in a safe cot. Your wife shouldn’t be abusing you by screaming at you if you sleep while baby is in a safe sleeping scenario.

Re the number of children.

Any baby, whether it's number one or number four, needs to be a two yes one no decision before conception is even considered. No baby should be brought into a family where one parent clearly doesn't want it.

Once conception happens, it's the woman's body so it's her that has finally say.

So in OPs situation, yep, wife absolutely gets the veto.

Caveating this with the fact that obviously there are unplanned pregnancies and single parents are superheroes. I'm talking about family planning within a marriage specifically.

SerafinasGoose · 27/05/2025 09:05

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:58

I don't think she has post-partum. She's usually like this. She is German and the defining characteristic of her personality is extreme anxiety. Her mother is the same way. This is especially true with any form of authority or written rules. A lot of what she does is because she heard or read something that said you have to do it or your baby dies. For instance, she refused to give the babies any honey until they were like 2 years old because a baby got botulism from contaminated honey once like 30 years ago.

I’ve spent time in Germany. I know German people. I can assure you this isn’t some German ‘personality trait’, as if such a thing could exist on any national level. The behaviour you describe is so far from common that it needs investigating, and SSRIs are not the only form of available treatment. She likely needs therapeutic intervention. Trying to watch over a baby 24/7 is unlikely to be a mildly neurotic character trait: she sounds mentally unwell and possibly has a diagnosable condition. If so, surely it’s better to find and treat it, rather than dismiss it on some spurious basis like nationality.

Your repeated insistence that there’s nothing wrong with her, that it’s ’just the way she is’, is at odds with your having posted here, presumably to receive the input of other site users. What did you want from this thread?

Capitulating to her outlandish demands about sleep, or living with erratic behaviour like the issue with lights and dirt, etc., are making your life far harder than encouraging her to seek the necessary support. It’s an obvious solution, If not an overnight one, yet you’re extremely reluctant to consider this. Your focus on four children as some sort of set-in-stone agreement is also off base given the immediate problems you face. All sorts of things can make that impossible for couples - not least the effects on the bodies of the women who gestate and give birth. Your wife is not an incubator. Do you want your family?, or some rigid, unrealistic idea of what you thought your family would be? If it’s the latter then for many of us these things don’t work out the way we anticipate.

If, on the other hand, you want to divorce her and chase the 4-children dream with some younger woman then you hardly need the affirmation of a bunch of internet strangers to do so.

RedToothBrush · 27/05/2025 09:22

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:58

I don't think she has post-partum. She's usually like this. She is German and the defining characteristic of her personality is extreme anxiety. Her mother is the same way. This is especially true with any form of authority or written rules. A lot of what she does is because she heard or read something that said you have to do it or your baby dies. For instance, she refused to give the babies any honey until they were like 2 years old because a baby got botulism from contaminated honey once like 30 years ago.

What the fact she's German got to do with anything? Apart from revealing you believe in stereotypes and are racist. Which perhaps explains your fixation with having four children when your wife isn't coping with two. It also reveals your contempt for your wife. Again.

Poor woman.

Readytohealnow · 27/05/2025 09:28

This marriage is dead.
Make sure you get a good lawyer and fight for custody of those children. I wouldn’t want them alone with her.
If she can sort herself out and get a job, maybe further down the line. She is unwell and doesn’t sound fit to be with them right now.

Wearealldoingourbest · 27/05/2025 09:29

tartanduck · 27/05/2025 06:25

I am not going to go through all the responses, however if you think your child has autism could it be possible that your wife has ADHD or Autism. She sounds like me when my kids were small. I was hanging on by literal threads, hyper focused on the breathing (angel cate monitor helped that), going by the rules layer out in books and strictly adhering to it. Regardless she needs to see a doctor she sounds very unwell and like she deeply struggling.

I came on to say the same thing - it sounds like a combination of austistic overwhelm and PND, PNA to me. Especially things like the need to turn lights off.
Also OP @GoldFive, your wife is very vulnerable. Your comment about her "owning half the truck being a bad thing" would be terrifying to her considering she's in a foreign country, with no income of her own, no transport and no family or support network if things go bad with you. If you love her, don't make jokes like that. You need to step up here. Why did you need her to tell you the baby needed changing or feeding when she handed it to you - why didn't you ask her what had been done so far? You can take control of this situation in a positive way, and one first step might be insisting on your daughter seeing a paediatrician for an autism assessment. Being afraid to argue with your wife isn't a good enough reason not to do it. The fact your MIL shows similar symptoms suggests a strong family history.

Wednesdayisme · 27/05/2025 09:30

You haven't come across well yourself in this post, it sounds like you despise her not the other way around.

Clearly she's struggling and needs help you lack sympathy and all you've done is criticise how she walks and where she comes from and her age. I feel sorry for your wife.

WombForTwo · 27/05/2025 09:35

Wednesdayisme · 27/05/2025 09:30

You haven't come across well yourself in this post, it sounds like you despise her not the other way around.

Clearly she's struggling and needs help you lack sympathy and all you've done is criticise how she walks and where she comes from and her age. I feel sorry for your wife.

OP is being abused. His wife is depriving him of sleep and treating him awfully.

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