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My wife despises me

118 replies

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:08

My wife and I have been married for 3 years and we have been together for 7 years. We are on child #2. He is almost 5 months old.

I work from home. She does not work. She cannot sleep with the baby, so we have an asymmetric sleep schedule. I am responsible for the baby from 8pm or 9pm to 4am or 5am. She wakes up at that time and we trade off. I wake up sometime between 8am and noon, usually when our first child wakes me up.

I wrote about my first child in my only other thread here. She is now 2 going on 3, and is still an incredibly difficult, incredibly independent little girl who does not express any form of affection and is delayed in all forms of social communication. I am convinced she has autism but I am not allowed to say this because my wife becomes upset. She can speak, and will speak, but does not pay attention to anything when directed to pay attention to it, does not address either of us by mama or papa, and only talks about things she is interested in. For instance, she can say "triceratops" and "stegosaurus" perfectly, but I have never heard her say "mama" except once as an infant.

On a typical day we have 1 or 2 hours together. Most days we do not have this time together because she is angry at me. She is angry and depressed almost all the time.

Today, I took the entire day off. It's a holiday in the US. Promptly after waking up at noon, we went into town and did stuff until we got home at 6pm. After 6pm, I took our daughter to the river and I occupied her for 2 hours. When I got back, it was time to put the baby down. The baby was difficult and did not go to sleep easily.

During the 8pm~9pm window where we usually put the baby down, I make a coffee, because I am up for another 8 hours. I offered to hold the baby while making coffee because my wife has been complaining about foot and back pain constantly recently. While making coffee, the baby became irate. She took the baby from me because she will not allow the baby to cry under any circumstance without her holding it. She then also turned off the light. This caused me to spill boiling water and coffee grinds everywhere because I couldn't tell my coffee maker was closed. She turns off the lights whenever possible, even when I'm doing stuff, because it bothers her to see dirt on the floor.

I got irritated but said nothing, I was just visibly annoyed. Once she had the baby again, she fed him and changed him. I thought she had already fed and changed him before giving him to me because she had him for 2 hours before I got home. She made no mention that he needed to bed or changed before giving him to me, and I explicitly said I would be carrying him while making coffee while holding him.

After that I had nothing to do and she did not communicate to me to ask I do anything. So, i took my coffee and went to check on my work. As I mentioned, I work from home. My productivity has been suffering because because I am staying up until 4am instead of working at normal times, and I am having to help more with the two kids. It is frustrating because if I lose this job I know I will have to work a normal 9-5 and I have no reason to believe my wife can handle the children by herself.

While on my computer, she walked the baby in circles, because she doesn't believe the baby can put himself to sleep and will not allow him to fall asleep on his own. She was doing a very noticeable hobbled gimped walk while walking with him when I went out to the bathroom. I offered to take him. She said no.

When the baby was finally laid down, she went to the bathroom and was audibly sobbing. She sent me nasty text messages about how I don't do enough, how I don't try, I do the bare minimum as a form of malicious compliance, and I have the easy job of staying up to 4am because he just sleeps when he's with me. I told her she did not communicate anything to me at any point in time.

I am extremely unhappy. I regret my choices in life. I feel like if I had married someone younger (we were 30 when we had our first) she would be able to keep up with the children. I wanted 4 children but she seems completely overwhelmed with 2 and doesn't seem physically capable of dealing with 2.

She has been making it more clear to me over time that she is not interested in more children (despite 4 being clearly communicated before we got married) and has also been hinted that if we ever got divorced she would deliberately try to make my life as difficult as possible. For instance, today on the way home, we were discussing the license plates on my truck. They are expired and I need to decide in which state I want to tag them. For various reasons, I would only tag them locally (thus avoiding a 12 hour drive to a different state) if I put the vehicle in a company we each own a half of. I joked "the problem with that is then you'd own half my truck" (a joke, feigning over-protectiveness of the truck [she can't even drive, she's from a european major city and has relied on public transit her entire life]); she immediately snapped and used very specific legal language about how I bought it after we were married, so under common law she already owns half of it. It felt very threatening and I did not appreciate it.

Last time I vented everyone told me I was shit and I'm expecting to hear that again. I just want to vent. I don't like talking about my problems to people I know. I just really don't like waking up in each morning noon.

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RedToothBrush · 27/05/2025 03:11

And?

Neither of you are happy. Just get a divorce rather than looking for someone else to agree with you about what a terrible person your wife is.

DurinsBane · 27/05/2025 03:14

Why are you awake from 8/9 to 4/5? Yes you may be in charge of the baby those hours, but why don’t you sleep in those hours like most parents do and wake up if the baby cries?

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:15

DurinsBane · 27/05/2025 03:14

Why are you awake from 8/9 to 4/5? Yes you may be in charge of the baby those hours, but why don’t you sleep in those hours like most parents do and wake up if the baby cries?

I am not allowed to sleep. I have to be awake to check the baby is breathing. If I fall asleep and she gets up to the bathroom and sees I'm asleep, she gets mad.

OP posts:

Interested in this thread?

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DurinsBane · 27/05/2025 03:15

RedToothBrush · 27/05/2025 03:11

And?

Neither of you are happy. Just get a divorce rather than looking for someone else to agree with you about what a terrible person your wife is.

Edited

I bet you wouldn’t say ‘And?’ If the poster was female posting about their male partner

DurinsBane · 27/05/2025 03:16

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:15

I am not allowed to sleep. I have to be awake to check the baby is breathing. If I fall asleep and she gets up to the bathroom and sees I'm asleep, she gets mad.

Have you encouraged your wife to go to the doctor? It sounds from your post and update that she is not well mentally.

RedToothBrush · 27/05/2025 03:19

DurinsBane · 27/05/2025 03:15

I bet you wouldn’t say ‘And?’ If the poster was female posting about their male partner

I would.

If it's not working it's not working.

Neither of this couple are happy. Why flog a dead horse?

Cuppa2sugars · 27/05/2025 03:20

Sounds like she and you need therapy. A systemic family counsellor may help.

ApolloandDaphne · 27/05/2025 03:26

She really needs to see a doctor and you both need therapy to work things through. This is no way to live.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 27/05/2025 03:29

This seems to be a frog in water scenario where you don't realise that your wife is very unwell.

She turns off the light randomly because she doesn't want to see dirt, has to have 24/7 vigilance over her baby in case he stops breathing, won't contemplate her daughter being assessed and won't allow her baby to sleep alone.

Your views on her not being capable of managing four children, given her instability is just as bonkers. It's pretty obvious there's something wrong and she needs to see a Dr.

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:38

MiloMinderbinder925 · 27/05/2025 03:29

This seems to be a frog in water scenario where you don't realise that your wife is very unwell.

She turns off the light randomly because she doesn't want to see dirt, has to have 24/7 vigilance over her baby in case he stops breathing, won't contemplate her daughter being assessed and won't allow her baby to sleep alone.

Your views on her not being capable of managing four children, given her instability is just as bonkers. It's pretty obvious there's something wrong and she needs to see a Dr.

There's absolutely nothing a doctor can do for her. What are they going to do? Slam her on SSRIs?

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RedToothBrush · 27/05/2025 03:40

If she's struggling with two kids, and your reaction is to wish you'd married someone younger who could cope better so you could have four, you don't love any of them. That's ultimately my problem.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 27/05/2025 03:40

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:38

There's absolutely nothing a doctor can do for her. What are they going to do? Slam her on SSRIs?

Assess her and hopefully get her some support.

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:44

MiloMinderbinder925 · 27/05/2025 03:40

Assess her and hopefully get her some support.

This means nothing. All they can do is prescribe SSRIs and painkillers.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 27/05/2025 03:49

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:44

This means nothing. All they can do is prescribe SSRIs and painkillers.

She needs to be assessed to find out what's wrong with her. Medication may help, therapy may help and there may be other support available.

Why are you leaving your vulnerable children alone with someone who is mentally unwell? She's obviously not coping and you're whining about four children.

Take responsibility for the ones you have.

tripleginandtonic · 27/05/2025 03:54

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:44

This means nothing. All they can do is prescribe SSRIs and painkillers.

Do they not do anything about PND in America?

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 03:58

tripleginandtonic · 27/05/2025 03:54

Do they not do anything about PND in America?

I don't think she has post-partum. She's usually like this. She is German and the defining characteristic of her personality is extreme anxiety. Her mother is the same way. This is especially true with any form of authority or written rules. A lot of what she does is because she heard or read something that said you have to do it or your baby dies. For instance, she refused to give the babies any honey until they were like 2 years old because a baby got botulism from contaminated honey once like 30 years ago.

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allovernowtg · 27/05/2025 03:59

I haven’t read your previous thread but from this I don’t see a woman that needs a doctor. I see a woman who is burnt out, long term sleep deprived, who is sick of housework and wants you to do some, who is trying to problem solve to make a crying baby sleep at bedtime (lights off, soothe, check not hungry or wet) and wishes you could do the same without needing explicit instructions. Who is trying to tell you what she needs and feels you dont listen.

Of course she doesn’t want two more kids if the two of you are overwhelmed with two. There is something about your post that makes it sound to me like you treat the kids like slightly disappointing and inconvenient possessions.

Your joke wasn’t funny - she does own half the stuff if you’re married. You come across to me like you earn the money and feel that gives you all the power. Does she want to work, study, learn to drive? Equalising the power balance in the relationship by supporting her to do these things might help. Using some childcare and supporting her to have time away from the children- including at weekends ensuring she can trust you to take care of the kids proactively and giving her time that is not just for childcare or housework.

Looking at how you communicate might help. You come across to me like a sulky teenager heading off to your office in the night, rather than seeing how you could be useful. I’m curious if you cleaned up the coffee grounds or not.

You both seem to look down on each other for different reasons. Maybe look at transactional analysis and how you can both behave and communicate as adults instead of parent/child.

Maybe I am reading all this wrong and projecting my own situation. I eventually left my husband out of despair because he would not listen or try to do anything about the things that made me unhappy, he took the power, tried to trap me and accused me of being unwell/depressed when what I needed was him to step up, behave like an adult, make things fair, listen, support, consider my wishes and make some effort to make me happy. He was more interested in telling third parties I was broken than in doing his part to fix things.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 27/05/2025 04:00

tripleginandtonic · 27/05/2025 03:54

Do they not do anything about PND in America?

They call it PPD and have a helpline
https://womenshealth.gov/talkingPPD/support

BruFord · 27/05/2025 04:03

@GoldFive Most insurance will also cover counseling.

Firstly, forget staying awake all night when the baby’s asleep, that isn’t normal parenting, The baby will be having their six-month checkup soon - make sure that you attend and specifically ask the doctor whether it’s ok to sleep when the baby sleeps so that your wife is reassured by a medical practitioner. She sounds overly anxious about the baby (unless there’s a medical reason why she’s so worried?)

Similarly, if you’re concerned about your daughter’s development, make an appointment and take her in. You have parental responsibility and you can do this if you’re concerned.

I agree with PP’s that your wife sounds v. unhappy and may need help herself if she’ll agree to it. You can take control of the nighttime situation right now, however.

MyDarlingWhatIfYouFly · 27/05/2025 04:05

There’s nothing wrong with taking SSRIs if that’s what it takes - I’ve been on them for 10 years and for me they were life changing.

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 04:15

allovernowtg · 27/05/2025 03:59

I haven’t read your previous thread but from this I don’t see a woman that needs a doctor. I see a woman who is burnt out, long term sleep deprived, who is sick of housework and wants you to do some, who is trying to problem solve to make a crying baby sleep at bedtime (lights off, soothe, check not hungry or wet) and wishes you could do the same without needing explicit instructions. Who is trying to tell you what she needs and feels you dont listen.

Of course she doesn’t want two more kids if the two of you are overwhelmed with two. There is something about your post that makes it sound to me like you treat the kids like slightly disappointing and inconvenient possessions.

Your joke wasn’t funny - she does own half the stuff if you’re married. You come across to me like you earn the money and feel that gives you all the power. Does she want to work, study, learn to drive? Equalising the power balance in the relationship by supporting her to do these things might help. Using some childcare and supporting her to have time away from the children- including at weekends ensuring she can trust you to take care of the kids proactively and giving her time that is not just for childcare or housework.

Looking at how you communicate might help. You come across to me like a sulky teenager heading off to your office in the night, rather than seeing how you could be useful. I’m curious if you cleaned up the coffee grounds or not.

You both seem to look down on each other for different reasons. Maybe look at transactional analysis and how you can both behave and communicate as adults instead of parent/child.

Maybe I am reading all this wrong and projecting my own situation. I eventually left my husband out of despair because he would not listen or try to do anything about the things that made me unhappy, he took the power, tried to trap me and accused me of being unwell/depressed when what I needed was him to step up, behave like an adult, make things fair, listen, support, consider my wishes and make some effort to make me happy. He was more interested in telling third parties I was broken than in doing his part to fix things.

No, she does not want to study or get a job. I am OK with this, but not because I don't want her to have her own income: she was originally in school studying German law, and our plan was to live in Germany, but she decided she wanted to do SAHM. I have ideas for how she can make her own income, because I am in the process of starting a new business that she can use to do her own creative work online. I think she will benefit from this.

100% of my money is available to her right now, but she does not show any interest in learning to use online banking or debit cards. She has her own debit card from our shared account, but can't even remember the pin number because she never uses it. She does buy stuff for the baby off Amazon without asking, though, so she's not completely dependent on me to do things.

She does want to drive but that is only because we live in a rural area and she is afraid if I am injured I will die before an ambulance can make a round trip. She is terrified of driving, though. She's so afraid of operating my the truck that, just today while loading the groceries, she asked me to start the vehicle to get the A/C on. My FOB was in the vehicle in the back seat, so I told her if she put her leg over the middle and pressed the brake + pushed the ignition, it would turn on. She was not confident enough to do this.

We are in a very difficult temporary living situation very far from town. The reason why it takes from noon to 6pm to do rounds in town is that it is a 55 minute drive to town each way. There's a very long story behind this but I promise I am not deliberately trying to make things difficult for us, or trying to isolate her, and we are moving into town next month. This is related to my business startup. We are OK financially, but not so OK I can just hire a nanny. If I could I would at this point.

My hope is that when we are closer to civilization she will have more time to spend with people. Since moving from Europe, we have both been incredibly socially isolated, in particular she had a very close relationship with her mother. I am working hard to find her mother a way into the US but (especially right now) there are no easy ways for mother-in-laws to get into the US. I'm actually considering getting her into the US on an artist's visa because she is a Töpfermeisterin, a master potter recognized by the German potter guilds.

The #1 thing I miss about Germany is her mother. She came over to visit when the new baby was born and it was incredibly, indescribably useful to have her around. I feel that the reason birth rates are so low in developed countries is that extended families don't help with parenting as much anymore.

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allovernowtg · 27/05/2025 04:17

To pick up your last post, in the UK the NHS advice is no honey before age 1. This is repeated on multiple other sites if you google. I wouldn’t see any rush to give it immediately on their first birthday. If you were pushing to give it before age 1 despite the standard advice being to the contrary I can imagine this kind of thing contributing to her not feeling she can trust you with the baby.
https://www.nhs.uk/baby/weaning-and-feeding/foods-to-avoid-giving-babies-and-young-children/

I agree though that it is not normal to insist you stay awake while in charge of a sleeping baby. I am curious is there any back story here? Are you a heavy sleeper, has she had to come and tend to a crying baby in the night before because you have slept through the cries? Could you invest in some kind of baby alarm that would give reassurance to her so she could accept you sleeping in charge?

GoldFive · 27/05/2025 04:25

allovernowtg · 27/05/2025 04:17

To pick up your last post, in the UK the NHS advice is no honey before age 1. This is repeated on multiple other sites if you google. I wouldn’t see any rush to give it immediately on their first birthday. If you were pushing to give it before age 1 despite the standard advice being to the contrary I can imagine this kind of thing contributing to her not feeling she can trust you with the baby.
https://www.nhs.uk/baby/weaning-and-feeding/foods-to-avoid-giving-babies-and-young-children/

I agree though that it is not normal to insist you stay awake while in charge of a sleeping baby. I am curious is there any back story here? Are you a heavy sleeper, has she had to come and tend to a crying baby in the night before because you have slept through the cries? Could you invest in some kind of baby alarm that would give reassurance to her so she could accept you sleeping in charge?

It is simply that she is a very light sleeper and finds it difficult to sleep with the baby in the room. She insists that I stay awake with the baby because in my office, he sleeps on my computer desk in a small cushioned ring (kind of like a dog bed?) that is not "sleep safe", so I need to be there monitoring him throughout the night. We do have a crib but it's in our room and it's never used.

I think her plan is that when we move, we put the crib into the third bedroom that will also be my office, and the baby will sleep there overnight alone.

It's a really different setup than last baby. Last baby she slept in a bed directly next to the crib, however the crib was really uncomfortable and the baby never slept in it, so they just slept together most of the time. However, this time, after only a few days, she insisted that some other sleeping arrangement be made because she couldn't do it anymore.

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1SillySossij · 27/05/2025 04:39

You can't continue like this. Your cannot be up til 4am every night and then expected to put in a day's work and be the sole provider. Meanwhile She gets a straight 8 hours sleep a night. She is being very selfish, controlling to the point I would say abusive.
These are your kids too, you have as much say as she has, and more when you are on duty. Making the baby sleep on you all night is spectacularly unhelpful and controlling. There is no problem encouraging self soothing. I do think your wife needs medicating for her anxiety and you need to tell her how it is.

allovernowtg · 27/05/2025 04:58

Our posts keep crossing OP! Ok I agree your wife sounds very anxious. And what a tough situation for her having gone from studying law to SAHM, from being close to family to being isolated. It sounds like you have ideas for her, but do you know what she feels about it all and what she wants? It might take a few conversations and some time to get it out of her- eg if she regrets the move but is scared to upset you by saying so. There may be a mix of different and even contradictory thoughts and feelings to unpick.

I was isolated too. Does she have time to ring her family/friends without you and the kids being in the house? That would have helped me I think- somewhere to vent and get advice without being overheard or interrupted. The move closer to town would hopefully be a big help.

Dont underestimate the impact of sleep deprivation on anxiety too. It sounds like her anxiety is also getting in the way of sleep for the two of you so a circular effect. The more tired and irritable you both get and the more you argue, that stress will aggravate anxiety and insomnia. Would you have the scope to do something temporary to get stress down and sleep and relaxation up for both of you? A nanny just for a week, a visit from or to her mum, a cheap holiday where the food, cleaning and washing up is provided, or you taking a week off and picking up at least half the household stuff and childcare proactively and capably and encouraging her to do whatever simple things help her relax- baths, nature walks, yoga, meditation, reading, listening to music, film/TV, calling friends. A bit of breathing space. If you can’t do a block of time then working relaxation into the daily routine for both of you somehow. But asking her what she feels would help not imposing your ideas, and taking your part too- say we’re both a bit stressed and ground down and need to find a way to relax more and give her chance to think about what she feels would work. If you get initial resistance dont bite back but just offer her some time to think what might help and consistently show willing to support and listen. Show you mean it by doing some yoga or something yourself as well - the more calm both of you can bring, the better. Sorry this reads like a string of commands, it’s just ideas really, take anything that works for you and leave the rest.