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Normal behaviour for a father of a 5 year old boy?

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Mamadayle · 07/01/2025 10:22

I have genuine concerns over the way my partner acts towards my son, how he talks to him and how he talks about him to me which causes argument after argument. He's always been a perfectionist with high expectations of us both, but the last 2 years it has been another level.

I'd be keen to hear others thoughts on this as I often wonder if it's me in my head...some examples are...

My son went back to school this week after the christmas break and was very upset going in - he loves being with us and i was expecting him to be upset. I comforted him, waited with him until he calmed down after a few minutes and when I turned around my partner had stormed off home, without saying a word to me or him.

He then proceeded to call him a lazy b*ard when I got home and that he never wants to do anything. He has also called him Fat and said the above because he has never shown an interest in sports, riding his bike or any classes we have taken him to - bearing in mind he is only 5 years old. My partner gets angry at him when he doesn't pick something up right away - for example swimming - he wants him to be good at everything without putting the time or effort into teaching him. During a holiday in October my partner said he wouldn't go in the pool with him unless he would swim (he only started lessons properly this year) so i spent the entire week in the pool with him as his Dad would let him go under and try to 'teach him the hard way'.

He is always short, snappy, harsh - and can never handle any of the 'negative emotions' my son shows. Whether that be crying, angry / tantrums, huffing or fussyness around food - it always sits on me to try to negotiate or calm the situation. In fact when he is showing any of those emotions, my partner taunts him and goads him which makes it worse and then it escalates to a full on meltdown that I need to calm down, everytime. It's like having two children.

He also doesn't do much around the house, my to do list like many mothers is 1000 list long whereas he very much sees to himself, has never taken my son for a day out alone, never organises any play dates or fun things to do, wasn't interested in making christmas or new year special for him or me, it was all down to me, and I am at a point where i cannot breathe. He also went out at the weekend and got home at 7am after going back to an after party (he is late 30's and whilst he goes out alot, that was unusual) he isn't cheating but was up drinking and god knows what else all night, which meant the day after he spent in bed and yet again I solo parented all day. When i asked him why he did thast he replied 'because i wanted to'. WTF? He has a football season ticket so spends alot of Saturdays or Sundays away, never just for the game, it always involves the pub before and after, unless he is hungover and will sometimes take the car - always for a pint after though.

We own our house together and the area we live in near our sons school is very expensive so I would struggle to buy somewhere on my own but it could be possible. I just really don't want to unsettle my son who is a sensitive little soul, but on the other hand his dads behaviour is starting to shape him. What does everyone think? Am i going mad? Is this normal? Have you experienced anything similar? I'm at my wits end and fail to see how any grown man his age cannot recognise his behaviour or wrongdoings? I've suggested therapy before but of course, he doesn't need it. He won't leave the house, won't even sleep on the sofa when I don't want him near me......argh, help!

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Mymanyellow · 07/01/2025 10:24

Get this fucking bullying prick as far away from your precious little boy as you can. What a cunt.

Shouldbedoing · 07/01/2025 10:25

Leave him. He will damage your son, emotionally. And you.

Saschka · 07/01/2025 10:26

It’s not remotely normal - it’s abusive

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pickywatermelon · 07/01/2025 10:28

Wow. That’s a pretty damning list of why he doesn’t need to be in your life anymore

Perhaps to be generous - is this role modelling of pretty terrible parenting he received? Is there any way he would recognise it and change - or a completely sunk case?

Shouldbedoing · 07/01/2025 10:30

He is a bully. No nice house is worth a miserable childhood. And kids change schools all the time. Father does so little childcare now, that even if he threatened you with 50:50 residency, he would never follow through.

DwarfPalmetto · 07/01/2025 10:30

It's not normal. You are right to be concerned, it's emotional abuse.

Mamadayle · 07/01/2025 10:30

pickywatermelon · 07/01/2025 10:28

Wow. That’s a pretty damning list of why he doesn’t need to be in your life anymore

Perhaps to be generous - is this role modelling of pretty terrible parenting he received? Is there any way he would recognise it and change - or a completely sunk case?

Yes I believe it's partly to do with that which he has opened up about at times in the past. I would think it should be a case of well here's what not to do, but unfortunately not. There's just been a real switch in the last couple of years and he will never admit he is wrong or needs help.

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Mamadayle · 07/01/2025 10:31

Mamadayle · 07/01/2025 10:22

I have genuine concerns over the way my partner acts towards my son, how he talks to him and how he talks about him to me which causes argument after argument. He's always been a perfectionist with high expectations of us both, but the last 2 years it has been another level.

I'd be keen to hear others thoughts on this as I often wonder if it's me in my head...some examples are...

My son went back to school this week after the christmas break and was very upset going in - he loves being with us and i was expecting him to be upset. I comforted him, waited with him until he calmed down after a few minutes and when I turned around my partner had stormed off home, without saying a word to me or him.

He then proceeded to call him a lazy b*ard when I got home and that he never wants to do anything. He has also called him Fat and said the above because he has never shown an interest in sports, riding his bike or any classes we have taken him to - bearing in mind he is only 5 years old. My partner gets angry at him when he doesn't pick something up right away - for example swimming - he wants him to be good at everything without putting the time or effort into teaching him. During a holiday in October my partner said he wouldn't go in the pool with him unless he would swim (he only started lessons properly this year) so i spent the entire week in the pool with him as his Dad would let him go under and try to 'teach him the hard way'.

He is always short, snappy, harsh - and can never handle any of the 'negative emotions' my son shows. Whether that be crying, angry / tantrums, huffing or fussyness around food - it always sits on me to try to negotiate or calm the situation. In fact when he is showing any of those emotions, my partner taunts him and goads him which makes it worse and then it escalates to a full on meltdown that I need to calm down, everytime. It's like having two children.

He also doesn't do much around the house, my to do list like many mothers is 1000 list long whereas he very much sees to himself, has never taken my son for a day out alone, never organises any play dates or fun things to do, wasn't interested in making christmas or new year special for him or me, it was all down to me, and I am at a point where i cannot breathe. He also went out at the weekend and got home at 7am after going back to an after party (he is late 30's and whilst he goes out alot, that was unusual) he isn't cheating but was up drinking and god knows what else all night, which meant the day after he spent in bed and yet again I solo parented all day. When i asked him why he did thast he replied 'because i wanted to'. WTF? He has a football season ticket so spends alot of Saturdays or Sundays away, never just for the game, it always involves the pub before and after, unless he is hungover and will sometimes take the car - always for a pint after though.

We own our house together and the area we live in near our sons school is very expensive so I would struggle to buy somewhere on my own but it could be possible. I just really don't want to unsettle my son who is a sensitive little soul, but on the other hand his dads behaviour is starting to shape him. What does everyone think? Am i going mad? Is this normal? Have you experienced anything similar? I'm at my wits end and fail to see how any grown man his age cannot recognise his behaviour or wrongdoings? I've suggested therapy before but of course, he doesn't need it. He won't leave the house, won't even sleep on the sofa when I don't want him near me......argh, help!

For clarity he hasn't called him fat or lazy to his face, just to me which I still find outrageous and triggering. This man knows I have an ED in my early 20's and find those words really triggering but says thats my issue...

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User37482 · 07/01/2025 10:32

God he’s fucking horrible. Normal dad’s gently encourage and get involved. He’s so awful. Leave, he’s damaging your son.

Donttellempike · 07/01/2025 10:34

Mamadayle · 07/01/2025 10:22

I have genuine concerns over the way my partner acts towards my son, how he talks to him and how he talks about him to me which causes argument after argument. He's always been a perfectionist with high expectations of us both, but the last 2 years it has been another level.

I'd be keen to hear others thoughts on this as I often wonder if it's me in my head...some examples are...

My son went back to school this week after the christmas break and was very upset going in - he loves being with us and i was expecting him to be upset. I comforted him, waited with him until he calmed down after a few minutes and when I turned around my partner had stormed off home, without saying a word to me or him.

He then proceeded to call him a lazy b*ard when I got home and that he never wants to do anything. He has also called him Fat and said the above because he has never shown an interest in sports, riding his bike or any classes we have taken him to - bearing in mind he is only 5 years old. My partner gets angry at him when he doesn't pick something up right away - for example swimming - he wants him to be good at everything without putting the time or effort into teaching him. During a holiday in October my partner said he wouldn't go in the pool with him unless he would swim (he only started lessons properly this year) so i spent the entire week in the pool with him as his Dad would let him go under and try to 'teach him the hard way'.

He is always short, snappy, harsh - and can never handle any of the 'negative emotions' my son shows. Whether that be crying, angry / tantrums, huffing or fussyness around food - it always sits on me to try to negotiate or calm the situation. In fact when he is showing any of those emotions, my partner taunts him and goads him which makes it worse and then it escalates to a full on meltdown that I need to calm down, everytime. It's like having two children.

He also doesn't do much around the house, my to do list like many mothers is 1000 list long whereas he very much sees to himself, has never taken my son for a day out alone, never organises any play dates or fun things to do, wasn't interested in making christmas or new year special for him or me, it was all down to me, and I am at a point where i cannot breathe. He also went out at the weekend and got home at 7am after going back to an after party (he is late 30's and whilst he goes out alot, that was unusual) he isn't cheating but was up drinking and god knows what else all night, which meant the day after he spent in bed and yet again I solo parented all day. When i asked him why he did thast he replied 'because i wanted to'. WTF? He has a football season ticket so spends alot of Saturdays or Sundays away, never just for the game, it always involves the pub before and after, unless he is hungover and will sometimes take the car - always for a pint after though.

We own our house together and the area we live in near our sons school is very expensive so I would struggle to buy somewhere on my own but it could be possible. I just really don't want to unsettle my son who is a sensitive little soul, but on the other hand his dads behaviour is starting to shape him. What does everyone think? Am i going mad? Is this normal? Have you experienced anything similar? I'm at my wits end and fail to see how any grown man his age cannot recognise his behaviour or wrongdoings? I've suggested therapy before but of course, he doesn't need it. He won't leave the house, won't even sleep on the sofa when I don't want him near me......argh, help!

Your poor son.

Your partner is horrible

LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaLaa · 07/01/2025 10:37

He is abusing your child.

What are you going to do to protect him?

FictionalCharacter · 07/01/2025 10:38

OF COURSE it isn't normal. Were you expecting people to tell you it is?
He's mistreating your 5 year old little boy.

CurlewKate · 07/01/2025 10:39

You can't possibly think this is normal behaviour-you just can't.

LadyQuackBeth · 07/01/2025 10:40

Your son is sensitive because he is constantly worried about disappointing his dad. He isn't going to enjoy any sport or activity with the pressure to be instantly excellent at it. Your DS is already affected by him and it doesn't sound like he brings much joy to you either.

I would make a plan to leave, I don't say it often here either, but your post really makes my heart ache for your DS.

He has a great mum, you can give him a lovely life.

Mamadayle · 07/01/2025 10:41

FictionalCharacter · 07/01/2025 10:38

OF COURSE it isn't normal. Were you expecting people to tell you it is?
He's mistreating your 5 year old little boy.

No I wasn't. Normal was the wrong choice of word. Please understand from my post that I'm here seeking advice to help and it's a very difficult situation to be in, both for me and my son.

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Mamadayle · 07/01/2025 10:41

LadyQuackBeth · 07/01/2025 10:40

Your son is sensitive because he is constantly worried about disappointing his dad. He isn't going to enjoy any sport or activity with the pressure to be instantly excellent at it. Your DS is already affected by him and it doesn't sound like he brings much joy to you either.

I would make a plan to leave, I don't say it often here either, but your post really makes my heart ache for your DS.

He has a great mum, you can give him a lovely life.

God this has really caught me because I know it's true, thank you. 😪

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Purplecatshopaholic · 07/01/2025 10:42

And you procreated with this nasty bastard? Your poor son. For your child’s sake I think you need to think seriously about splitting up - your son’s future MH and happiness depends on it really (as does yours). Sorry op.

Mamadayle · 07/01/2025 10:42

Purplecatshopaholic · 07/01/2025 10:42

And you procreated with this nasty bastard? Your poor son. For your child’s sake I think you need to think seriously about splitting up - your son’s future MH and happiness depends on it really (as does yours). Sorry op.

Wow what a way to put it. Thanks for that, really helping me feel even shittier than I already did.

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SleeplikeababyTonight · 07/01/2025 10:43

Jesus op, I winced and couldn't read the rest of your post. It reminded me of a case where the father forced his son to run on a treadmill; I know extreme but the kind of comments you're describing made me think of that, and then I felt sick.
As a mother, it is your job to protect your son's mental well-being. What is happening is putting your son at risk. I wouldn't allow this under no circumstances for my DCs. You need to leave him. What a bullying arsehole, saying those things about his little boy that he is supposed to protect, and the taunting. Do not enable this behaviour; it is absolutely not normal! I feel so angry for your poor son!!!

BourbonsAreOverated · 07/01/2025 10:46

Not normal in the slightest.
your poor baby!!!

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 07/01/2025 10:51

SleeplikeababyTonight · 07/01/2025 10:43

Jesus op, I winced and couldn't read the rest of your post. It reminded me of a case where the father forced his son to run on a treadmill; I know extreme but the kind of comments you're describing made me think of that, and then I felt sick.
As a mother, it is your job to protect your son's mental well-being. What is happening is putting your son at risk. I wouldn't allow this under no circumstances for my DCs. You need to leave him. What a bullying arsehole, saying those things about his little boy that he is supposed to protect, and the taunting. Do not enable this behaviour; it is absolutely not normal! I feel so angry for your poor son!!!

Edited

Bizarrely that exact case came to my mind too.

Heres the link OP - watch the video. Fathers are capable of real harm.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/treadmill-abuse-dad-christopher-gregor-b2554848.html

Id be removing myself and my son from that environment.

Regarding the pool scenario you need to recognise if you werent there, there is a real risk your son could have died or been seriously harmed by secondary/dry drowning. Googe it.

Ypu wont always be able to be present and Your husband is a very real danger to your child.

‘Treadmill abuse dad’ found guilty of manslaughter in son’s death

Corey Micciolo, aged six, died in April 2021 after telling doctors that his father told him he was ‘too fat’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/treadmill-abuse-dad-christopher-gregor-b2554848.html

SleeplikeababyTonight · 07/01/2025 10:52

I forgot to mention that my youngest is 5 too op, which is why it hits home even more so. I'm in similar shoes as you, house near school etc. I would leave my dh in your situation as instantly as humanly possible, hand on heart. There is never a reason or excuse for emotional abuse of any description. Your son deserves better, and so do you. This isn't negotiable, it is to keep everybody safe. If your dh is doing this to a tiny 5 year old boy, what will he do at 11, 15 etc?

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 07/01/2025 10:52

He is abusing your child. I think he must also be emotionally abusive to you given that you haven't ripped him a new one and kicked him out for the multiple ways in which he is damaging your child and his brain development.

Please do seek help as soon as possible to try and get your son away from this man. It is incredibly difficult of course as separation means access for him as a solo parent - is there any hope that he would just leave you to it and not seek access? It sounds like he doesn't even like your son let alone love him.

dairydebris · 07/01/2025 10:52

Your son is being abused by his Dad.
Unfortunately it falls to you, as his mum, to protect him from his Dad. If you don't protect your son from his abusive father, then you are complicit in the abuse.
Your partner being triggered by any negative emotions in his son means that it's very likely he's suffering from unresolved issues from his own childhood. This isn't an excuse, rather it's a reason for hope. If he can deal with these issues he can become a better father.
However. You need to remove your poor son asap while his father deals with those issues, or the cycle will repeat.
I'm sorry, it's know it's very hard, but it's your responsibility to remove your son before his whole being is damaged. By which I mean as soon as possible.

Adamante · 07/01/2025 10:54

Nothing will change. Leave him. You don't even need to worry about your son being along with him as he will drop immediately out of his life because he is one of this shit, uncaring fathers who will not be bothered to maintain a relationship with his child.

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