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Screen time hell with a 3yo - help please

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overthinker345 · 27/11/2024 20:15

My 3 yo goes to nursery five days a week as I work full time, and has gone since she was 12 months and loves it. It’s a small homely setting and they do lots of lovely activities throughout the day and spend a lot of time playing outside too.

in light of the above, we’ve always allowed some tv in the morning whilst she has her milk and in the evenings when she gets back, totalling about an hour and a half a day. A bit more over the weekend and when she’s unwell. Recently, she just wants excessive amounts and more and has started having mega tantrums when it’s time to leave or go to bed.

Tonight we had a 20 minute battle just to get upstairs as she was hysterical wanting more tv. It felt horrible her ending her dy this way… she did settle and enjoyed some books before sleep but it adds to the mum guilt. I try to gentle parent whilst setting boundaries eg. Tonight “sorry darling I know you want to watch more, but it’s late and it’s bedtime” etc and just wait for her to calm down before giving her a hug. Her dad has far less patience than I do though and I just want to know what people think is best to deal with this - if I do a hard ban on tv it seems a bit cruel given its how she winds down and I know it’ll be like an apocalypse 😬

any thoughts welcomed, Im bloody exhausted with the mental load between this and work!!!

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Westofeasttoday · 27/11/2024 22:46

She’s three. She’s learned that throwing tantrums has worked and is walking all over you, The gentle parenting isn’t working as the boundaries aren’t clear.

No more tv. Simple.

No mum guilt needed, she’s just trying it on.

Mischance · 27/11/2024 23:08

I do think that some of the responses are a bit harsh! We all enjoy a bit of TV. OP has nothing to feel bad about in recognising that her DD enjoys it too. TV is not a dangerous drug .... watching it will not harm her ... it is one of the pleasures of modern life, not some great evil! It is about enjoying that pleasure in moderation as we all have to. Our job as parents is to help our children to have balance in their lives.

The whole tenor of this thread is that itnus some great evil and the poor OP is being made to feel she is causing her child some great harm.

pollypocketss · 27/11/2024 23:10

What tv shows/channels is she watching if you don't mind me asking?

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AwfulAmount · 28/11/2024 07:52

I used to let my DDs have one programme each before bed. This was after bath, they were in their pyjamas and drinking their milk. Then they knew that it wasn't something that happened at other times I think. They told me what programme they wanted and that's what they watched and then it was time to go upstairs.

User839516 · 28/11/2024 08:02

What does “drinking their milk” mean exactly at this stage? Surely not having a bottle of milk at 3+ years old..?

AwfulAmount · 28/11/2024 08:07

No, just a in a glass . My kids never had a bottle you will be pleased to know. But they had a glass of milk for years. My mum (80) still does.

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AnnaDelvorkina · 27/11/2024 20:33

3 year olds need zero screen time. Replace with reading with you, helping with cooking or chores, drawing / colouring, imaginative play, or playing with puzzle type toys or an indoor ball.

I agree but most people seem to use TV as a parenting tool.

overthinker345 · 28/11/2024 08:35

Thanks so much for some of the lovely messages I received yesterday, especially @Welshcakes28 @peasandlove23 and @Mischance ! Some people just love to use these platforms as a tool for tearing others down and some of the sanctimonious responses yesterday made me feel like utter sht! I’m well aware if I didn’t have the job I do, then I’d be a more hands on parent during the week - I don’t need this highlighting. I was asking for advice centred around screen time exposure, to hear the experience of others. I work hard because I’m hopeful I can provide her with stability and a good life.

Pleased to report this morning went relatively stress free when she woke (at 6.45am when she got into my bed for a cuddle - for those that seem to enjoy a full itemisation of the schedule so they can figure how to tear others down further). We had a two minute semi whinge followed by acceptance. My husband then played (play dough - again for those that implied we don’t do anything other than shove her in front of a tv for our convenience) whilst I got ready.

@User839516 she turned 3 a week ago and yes still enjoys milk, which is good for her. She has breakfast at nursery. Sorry you disprove - perhaps you could forward across your perfect parenting manual?

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ByHardyRubyEagle · 28/11/2024 08:42

As soon as you mention tv OP there will be the sanctimonious mums who will come on here to hardline state that children should not watch tv at all unfortunately. An hour and a half spread out across the day is not too much IMO especially given that she being stimulated outside of the home in other ways.

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Marblesbackagain · 28/11/2024 09:00

I would agree with strict limits. But also look for alternatives activities, music ? Mine use to live a bit of a bop in the morning and then they joined me for some yoga at wind down - it wasn't planned but had severe back issues and had to do physio so they joined in 🤣

But I noticed it worked in helping them transition.

MudandParsnips · 28/11/2024 09:10

OP there are some very judgy responses on here. You're doing really well, and like you said, they don't walk in your shoes or have your lived experience. People also never factor in that kids all have very different temperaments which makes comparison pointless. There is a touch of naivity in some these replies "oh we just turned it off and little darling just played with dolls and toys". Some kids are a lot more feisty and stubborn than that! We had a similar problem at that age - going cold turkey wasn't an option, we both work full time too and she gets bored and lonely on independent play (very sociable only child 🙄) but sometimes I just have to get on with stuff. We got a timer when she was about 3, and she now has 30 mins a day on school days. It was a bit tough at first, and she still complains about it but she does follow the rules. I also think there's a lot of hysteria about TV - growing up in the 80s, my siblings and I watched it for hours every day. We turned out absolutely fine and now all earn 6 figure salaries. For clarity though, we only allow the TV for shows and films, no YouTube or iPads etc. she has audio books and music in the car. Good luck! You can do this 💪

skkyelark · 28/11/2024 09:17

I agree that you've had a really rough ride on here, OP. Yes, you as a family got into a habit that wasn't ideal, you realised it was becoming a problem, and you came here for some support and ideas for changing things.

I know it's been mentioned before on the thread, but does she have or would you consider a tonie box or yoto player? Then she can choose some music or a story to listen to whilst she has her milk in the morning, for example, so it's still very chill and doesn't need you or your husband hands on playing with her.

We have a yoto player, and my younger daughter has been able to operate it pretty independently since about 2.5, so personally I'd go with yoto at 3 for longevity, but plenty of people love the tonie box.

Welshcakes28 · 28/11/2024 09:31

@overthinker345 honestly I would ignore the negative comments on here. I'm a SAHM and I've put the TV on when I've needed a break or I've got something I need to do. We just limit it now to the Friday movie nights and some Cbeebies on a weekend because the post TV melt down was unbearable. And he now doesn't ask for it because he understands he can only watch it on certain days. We limit the IPad to plane journeys only so that's a special treat, once in a blue moon. I will also add watching TV made absolutely zero difference to my son's ability to sleep or not sleep.

I watched what would be deemed as alot of TV as a kid on weekends and spent alot of time playing on my Megadrive. But still managed to be an A* student, with1st class degree and function as a normal human being. Alot of overzealous parents out there these days. Trust your gut feeling and find the balance that's right for you. I would also add it will get easier as your child gets older. DS has just turned 4 and will happily sit at the table drawing or playing with playdoh or kinetic sand without much input from us.

AwfulAmount · 28/11/2024 09:32

@User839516 she turned 3 a week ago and yes still enjoys milk, which is good for her. She has breakfast at nursery. Sorry you disprove - perhaps you could forward across your perfect parenting manual?

I think it was me she disapproving of by giving my dc milk. Although I'm sure you were included.

I'll be telling my 80 year old mother she is 'surely not drinking her milk from a bottle' too but she will be at her bowls as it's sunny. Utilising her strong bones from all the milk.

SoftPillowAllNight · 28/11/2024 09:47

The TV remote is going to get LOST for few days until she's out of the habit and back to normal. Worked with mine when it got too much.

Lostinidea · 28/11/2024 10:05

@AwfulAmount Ah but she'll gain points for doing something healthy out in the fresh air instead of rotting her brains in front of moving wallpaper 😂

Superscientist · 28/11/2024 10:16

There's good TV and bad TV. How much my daughter has depends on how she handles. If she's happy to have it turned off and even turns it off herself she can have it regularly. As soon as there are tantrums we restrict it more.

She's 4 and started school now but prior to starting school she was in nursery 4 days a week. Our morning routine involved not going downstairs until we were ready for coats and shoes so the TV was never in sight. I'm not a morning person and neither is my daughter so every minute is accounted for and we are up and out efficiently. I would do a few days without any TV in the morning and have any rooms with TVs in shut away.

Evenings were equally tight for time. We picked her up at 6, home by 6.15 then dinner and meds starting the bedtime routine starting at 7. Whoever didn't do the pick up did the dinner. There was no time for TV so again the room was shut away. I'd do a few days of shutting the room with the TV in the evenings too.

3 days with very little TV is usually enough to reset my daughters expectations and then you can start thinking about how much TV you are happy with. I didn't work Wednesdays so that was always a day where my daughter got a bit of TV in the morning if we weren't heading straight out and then in the afternoon whilst I did dinner. I'd probably do mornings or evenings and avoid both. You could alternate one day morning the next day evening. We made use of the TV timer, she was about 2.5 when we started this an set if for 10, 20, 30 minutes. The first few times we said maybe the TV was tired after a couple of days she accepted it and we told her that we were setting the TV to turn off when she has had her allotted amount. By 3 if we said turn the TV off after this episode she would and now she asks at the end of each episode she asks if she my needs to turn the TV off or if she can have another episode

We are picky about what she watches and when. There are shows which she will never have enough of so these are rarely given as there will be always a request for 1 more even if she's already had 100! If she's having 10 minutes she will have a 10 minute show, if she's having 30 minutes we will put on a Julia Donaldson show. If she's having more we will put a film on or an hour of regular TV - she likes bake off, great pottery showdown, the sewing bee and secret life of the zoo. When these are on she will often watch for a bit the get some toys and half watch it and play at the same time.

LurkingFromTheShadows · 28/11/2024 10:29

I know people don't like hear this but TV should be restricted for young children and your daughter is having too much for her age (I'm talking from experience...I had to cut out YouTube, start banning certain shows and dramatically cut down ds's viewing time). Even now I can see when he's been watching too much TV (like illness or holidaying back in the UK) as his behaviour gets worse. I would go down to half an hour a day for a while and make sure it's not shows like Coco melon or things that are overstimulating for their brains.

GoldCat255 · 28/11/2024 10:42

You are setting yourself up for a staggering amount of frustration by adopting such abysmal parenting habits.
You'd better teach your daughter that tantrums have consequences.

LurkingFromTheShadows · 28/11/2024 10:54

LurkingFromTheShadows · 28/11/2024 10:29

I know people don't like hear this but TV should be restricted for young children and your daughter is having too much for her age (I'm talking from experience...I had to cut out YouTube, start banning certain shows and dramatically cut down ds's viewing time). Even now I can see when he's been watching too much TV (like illness or holidaying back in the UK) as his behaviour gets worse. I would go down to half an hour a day for a while and make sure it's not shows like Coco melon or things that are overstimulating for their brains.

Also just want to add, it's not meant to be a judgemental post. It took me a few years to figure out a balance as so many people tell you "oh it's fine!" when actually it's not. We even tried blippo again recently for my 4 year old and his behaviour was disgusting. I then read up some more about how bad blippi actually is (stimulates their brains so it can create a dopomine hit). So much so, my nearly 2 year old won't be getting any TV at all until he's at least 3, but I will push for as long as I can.

BertieBotts · 28/11/2024 10:59

I have ND kids who have always struggled with screentime. I think the best thing is to observe patterns and change based on what you're seeing - so if it's causing such a stress to come off, then it's not really a good wind down activity, or possibly it's a symptom of something going on at a different point in the day. I read this great book called Self-Reg by Stuart Shanker (the EU title is much more wordy but it's the same author) and he points out that a child sitting quietly does not necessarily mean that they are calm, and it's easy to make this mistake and think ah, they are quiet, so they are calm, they are winding down - but they can actually be just as overstimulated by all the input from the screen, the movement and colours and sounds.

You said that this has got worse since re-instigating morning TV - so it might be that she can cope with morning TV or bedtime TV, but not both. It might be worth experimenting although of course don't chop and change too often as this will be confusing. But it might not be that you have to go cold turkey. That is definitely an option and it can be a chance to sort of "reset" and then cautiously add things in and observe.

A lot of the time MN advice can be very rigid or theoretical and I don't think it's actually helpful in practice - watch out for "If my kids did this then I'd do that", because it's probably not based in experience, sometimes posters even have a kind of superiority complex thinking because they have always had limits on screen time, that's why their DC have never struggled to transition away from it (or there has been minor protest at worst). Whereas in reality it might be the other way around - their DC were naturally more easygoing around TV, so the limits worked well. All children are different.

It is helpful to read posts which are in the past tense ie things people have actually observed/experienced/tried with their own DC.

I also think the narrative about screen time on the internet today is not helpful. It's not actually going to melt her brain. Yes, algorithms are designed to be addictive, and a lot of the content on youtube in particular can be especially absorbing in a probably-not-very-healthy way. But I do think if it's specific programmes she watches, especially if they are normal TV e.g. BBC, Nickelodeon, Disney, Peppa Pig etc - this is not the same thing and it's more like the TV that was accessible to LOs 20+ years ago, before youtube etc.

Accepting her feelings and holding a boundary is good. If I would nitpick slightly, it says in the book How To Talk to beware of using "but" because it basically invalidates all of the great feeling validation you were doing. To see an adult-relatable example, try this:

"I know you're tired and busy with the kids all day, but this place is a tip!"

vs

"I know you're tired and busy with the kids all day. This place is a tip!"

The first sounds like a dismissal, like the main point of the discussion is to berate the partner for the house being a tip and the speaker thinks being tired and busy is an excuse. You can imagine the next sentence being all about what "you" should do to fix it.

The second acknowledges the struggle, may perhaps be a bit jokingly accepting, and you can much more easily imagine following the speaking partner offering some suggestion of help or support or problem solving.

With young children it can actually help to totally separate the two points, e.g. avoid mentioning the complaint in the sentence at all - only start with "I know, it's so hard to stop watching TV!" and let her process/go through that before you try to shift gears into "Now it's time to go upstairs for bed". BTW if you like the How To Talk books, there is an excellent app accompanying them (Android Link) which I have found helpful for remembering what to do in the moment.

Your Parenting Mojo had an absolutely brilliant series of podcasts recently where she interviewed TheGamerEducator. I think only the first one will be useful with a 3yo - but strongly recommend these. Really good, nuanced take and I learnt some new things.

Sorry this is becoming a barrage of recommendations and don't think I'm suggesting you consume all of them at once(!) but I do tend to squirrel away resources and this is a good one - there is a book on Kindle for 99p called When Your Kids Push Your Buttons, and I ADORE this book. It was so good for me and helped me a lot with boundary setting and exploring my own worries/guilt/etc. It sounds to me like you are under a lot of pressure, and you're worried about the effect on your DD so you are focusing on things like - OK she needs TV to help her unwind/downtime, she needs me to always be lovely and nice and accepting and never critical. You aren't doing anything wrong by working and having her in childcare. Does her dad carry this guilt? Clearly not based on what you've said, so why is it your burden? You say the childcare setting is homely and she is happy there, and you do lots together at the weekend. I think this is great and you're also working hard to provide her a nice life and security. So please, give yourself a break! Smile If you are worried about any overstimulation at childcare, perhaps speak with the provider about a midday "quiet time" - my 6yo has recently started doing this at kindergarten (not school, we are abroad) and it has DRAMATICALLY helped his moods and self-regulation during the rest of the day. I honestly am amazed because I didn't think that he needed it, he hasn't napped since he was 2, but it's really helping him.

Anotherfrozenpizzafortea · 28/11/2024 11:00

Can you just unplug it and say it's not working? Then you're not evil mummy.

We never did TV in the mornings, just too much stress getting everyone up and out, can't imagine having to do that around essential tv watching

Namechange13101 · 28/11/2024 11:07

4 and 6 year old here. No tablets at all during the week but generally we are out the house from 8.15 till 6ish depending on afterschool clubs and work hours. TV they can each chose one episode of something before school/nursery run if they are ready before 7.45am, and ready means fully dressed, hair done teeth brushed and breakfast eaten. If its not done by 7.45am then no tv and generally they don't kick up much of a fuss as its been in place since the eldest started school. Weekends is much more chill with tv in our bed while me and my husband have a coffee! and then tablets is generally two half hour slots each day, but definitely no hard or fast limits at the weekend, but that works for us as a family and within our groups of friends so many people do it differently! I also completely get that as they get older this will change!

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