Teacher has a "bad list"

[Chloephilips]

Before bed my DD who is 5 has said that the teacher has a bad list in the classroom and writes children's names on it. Concerning enough but then I asked what the children did to be put on the bad list and she said they were too slow finishing their work, they are in year 1. Think its really worrying and dont know if I should say something to the teacher as my DD is now worried she'll be put on it if she can't do her work quick enough

We used to put names on a board of pupils as sanctions/ warnings about behaviour.
Helpful for them to see what their behaviour is leading to, (further sanction's) and for us to keep track of and record.
Secondary.

Most schools have some sort of behaviour management system.

My dc’s old primary had a happy side and sad side board. Same children on the same sides every single day, does nothing but wreck children with higher support needs’ self esteem.

My children’s school did boards where minor positive and negative behaviours were noted. There were cumulative rewards, punishments .
It did seem to improve behaviour

That's awful. I cannot believe any school is doing this!!! How humiliating for the pupils. I wouldn't be describing that as"helpful" in the slightest. I have worked with children who have left mainstream education over things like this.

Plus in ops case not doing your work fast enough is very unfair as there will be a variety of abilities in the class. Some children will find it much harder to concentrate and sit still than others. Op I would absolutely be having a word with the school about this.

This is old fashioned and not best practice if it is happening. If you want to talk to the teacher rather than accusing her you could ask about the behaviour policy and what sanctions and strategies are used across the school. If you ask and say you want to reassure your daughter you might be able to open a more helpful conversation.

Properly terrible management of humans, regardless of their height.

I have lost count of the number of threads about schools with shame and fear at the centre of "behaviour management" approaches. I am appalled at the lack of creativity, compassion and attachment theory taught in teacher training for this to be every day practice across the UK.

My son's teacher had a weather picture. I noticed duringbparents night my son was in the naughty cloud for talking. He was 4 1/2

Yes think this might be the best way, my DD may not have gotten it completely right but I also don't want her worrying about being put on some list or having her name written down

Are you sure your daughter has got the right end of the stick?

Very few teachers would stick a child who is genuinely trying on the naughty board for doing their work at a slower pace, if they were showing signs of effort. But they might do if the reason for the slow work was the child arseing about in class instead of concentrating. What were those kids doing?

If your daughter has understood this properly and not got the wrong end of the stick, I'd be straight in touch with the school asking which educational research/best practice this is based on and whether it's reflective of wider school policy, because it goes against all modern education standards

My son was always on the black cloud in reception, he was diagnosed as being autistic age 6. I think it made things alot worse

It's standard secondary school behaviour management. If these DC you have worked with kept getting their name on the board they had behaviour issues. It's not just about the disruptive DC it's about protecting the rights of the majority of DC trying to learn whilst one or two DC disrupt the class.

Im not really sure, the teacher is really lovely and my DD loves school and I find it difficult to believe its a naughty list but possibly thats how shes interpreted it. I know in reception there was a thinking chair but dont think that's still being used

Urgh my son used to always be on "red" on the traffic light system in class in primary school - he has (undiagnosed at the time) asd/adhd.

I know these charts are supposed to encourage the children to behave to stay on "green" or gold if they do do something extra special but it's demoralising for kids who are on red day after day because of their unmet needs.

They still use this in my daughter's infant school (10 year age gap, different school and different area to my son's) as she comes home and tells me and it's the same kids always on red - the ones who are on diagnosis pathways!!

Standard in secondary, unusual in primary.

Primary more normally have something like a sun and a cloud and everyone starts in the sun and can get moved to the cloud.

I deliver training to adults and we would never share details about a trainee to the rest of the group. I've always wondered about these public "on a board" behaviour management techniques how that information is not considered personal data that needs protecting. I also worked in a local authority in the olden days when we did put confidential data on a ticket grid on the wall in our closed-to-the-public office and we had to put a lockable rolling shutter over it so the cleaners didn't see it.
I think schools get away with this stuff because it is the way things have always been done. The public shaming bothers me. The teacher can write names in a book is if is just for keeping track, there's no need to broadcast it. The example of parents' evening earlier bothers me, all the parents knowing that certain children were on the sad cloud.

My children's school did a sunshine and cloud. It was upsetting for the children that spent days in the cloud 😬

I am very surprised that any school has this kind of system in place. I remember, as pp said going to a parents drop in and seeing one pupils name on the cloud and everyone else on the sun - terrible practice. This was only around 10 years ago and k hoped it has moved on. We have a positive behaviour policy at my secondary school and so this kind of chart/list would not be permitted. Shaming children is never going to lead to a positive outcome

I visit a lot of primary schools it’s very common unfortunately.

Nearly all primary schools will have behaviour systems like this. Many are based on Paul Dix's pivotal approach where there are only three rules - you must be safe, ready and respectful. There is a lot of focus on belonging and being a team who are all working together for each other.

Often there will be colours,weather etc on show. Everyone sits on the good bit at the start of every day, and it's expected that children will inevitably hover between that, the wobbly zone and the wow zone. The kids are taught about how to manage big feelings and time on wobbly is treated as a learning experience and something normal that we all experience. The staff would be working with those children to help them get back onto the good section with all their friends. It is vanishingly unlikely a child would be put on a bad list for being slow at work, that just wouldn't happen. However, if a child was disrupting everyone and refusing to do their work, that's a different matter.

All these posters saying 'ooh this is terrible'- honestly, you try managing a class of 30+ kids and see if you can think of a better way to ensure everyone is safe and knows the boundaries in place.

A school I worked at had this in reception. A raincloud, a rainbow and a sun, if a child had misbehaved they'd be on the raincloud but them we'd be hyper vigilant and if they did anything remotely kind or weren't actively misbehaving we would find a way to put them on the rainbow or even better yet the sun. It showed young children in a very easy to understand way what behaviour is allowed at school and they were always thrilled to be moved up to the rainbow and sunshine.

I understand that, but there are ways to do that without singling out particular children. This to me is one step down from sticking a dunce hat on and shaming them by standing them in the corner.

The kids I work with all come from unstable homelives/ are in care. They all try their best but already feel stigmatised by this and shaming them on a board for behaviour they can't help is incredibly unfair. It could make it even harder for children with additional support needs to feel able to relax in the classroom. Making it even harder again for them to behave in the ways the teacher will want. It also ìntroduces the idea that there is such a thing as a "bad" child or that someone is "naughty". A child is never naughty. Their behaviour may be. Children need a lot of help to distinguish between those two narratives.

@dabralor the last school group I worked with had 39 pupils in the class. A wide variety of needs in the group. At no point did I feel the need to name and shame anyone. I also work with groups of up to 20 young people with extremely high risk behaviours. There's other ways round it. I think the problem is teachers not being well enough resourced and our education system not being as flexible as it could be overall. The other problem with systems like these is that use of them is down to the individual teachers discretion. Some teachers will be more tactful and encouraging than others by nature.

Would you want to work in a job where employees are named and shamed for poor performance over the course of a day? I wouldn't...

@Imisscoffee2021 I get your point about them being excited to move back up to the sun, but does it not worry you that some pupils will find being moved onto the raincloud incredibly distressing?

Plus this actively wouldn't work for children with trauma. I used to work with children who came from abusive homes and they'd ask me to put them on a naughty chair when things felt too calm. By giving those children this type of framework you're creating a system where they're likely to act out because they'll experience relief at being moved back. For some children that will be a natural positive, but for many others that will be them recreating the cycle of violence in the classroom setting. It could actually encourage more challenging behaviour.

I understand that, but there are ways to do that without singling out particular children. This to me is one step down from sticking a dunce hat on and shaming them by standing them in the corner.

This. Cartoon clouds might seem cuter but it's just shaming.