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Patronising messages about formula feeding on formula websites!

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Gemmy96 · 30/05/2024 07:37

This is a bit of a rant so let me know if it would be more appropriate elsewhere.

I exclusively formula feed my child for good reasons. Unavoidable, not-a-choice reasons. When I was researching different options, I came across something that has really pissed me off. On every website I go on once you click "infant formula" there's an incredibly patronising message displayed that requires you to agree that "breastfeeding is best" before you're allowed to see the page! I'm assuming this is due to some kind of regulation. Screenshots attached below.

Am I wrong to think that men would never be expected to click "accept" or "I agree" to this kind of infantilising, shaming nonsense?! Why do we accept this rubbish? I DON'T agree that breastfeeding is always best, fed is!

People have all kinds of reasons for not being able or not wanting to breastfeed and it's often difficult enough without constant reminders that you're apparently not doing quite enough for your child. Sigh.

Patronising messages about formula feeding on formula websites!
Patronising messages about formula feeding on formula websites!
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Peaceandquiet9276 · 30/05/2024 08:50

MrsSchrute · 30/05/2024 08:47

For the vast majority of babies, breastmilk is far superior to formula.

Not true. On a population level, there are advantages to breastfeeding. On an individual level, where there is access to clean water and sterilisation, the difference is negligible at best.

Comments like this are designed to make vulnerable new mums feel like crap.

You really think that a factory made milk is no better for a baby than their own mother’s tailor made milk which is designed perfectly for each individual baby and their needs?

Gemmy96 · 30/05/2024 08:51

Peaceandquiet9276 · 30/05/2024 08:50

You really think that a factory made milk is no better for a baby than their own mother’s tailor made milk which is designed perfectly for each individual baby and their needs?

It isn't "designed perfectly" when you produce none.

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Revelatio · 30/05/2024 08:52

Doesn’t look like a legislative issue as I just went on the Aptimil page and there was no tick box like that.

I think that the majority of people know that breast milk is the better food for babies in terms of nutrition, formula is a very close second. Breast milk is promoted through midwives, at the hospital, after birth. There aren’t many women who don’t see a midwife so it can’t be that many people who are uninformed.

I don’t think ‘breast is best’ for everyone (although I do agree that it is nutritionally better than formula). There are so many other factors to consider and people should make the right decision for them.

I do find it frustrating that in this day of ‘trigger warnings’ on everything, there isn’t more compassion for women at one of their most vulnerable stages of their lives. Instead it’s just constant judgement, as evident with some of the responses on here, which is sad considering this is a forum initially made for mothers.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

ZiriForGood · 30/05/2024 08:52

mrsdineen2 · 30/05/2024 08:24

Clarifying your reasons were good - implies other reasons are not good.

Clarifying yours was unavoidable and not a choice - trying to differentiate yourself from those mothers you think made an avoidable choice.

Its obvious what you were doing. Maybe even unintentionally.

That's your interpretation.
To me it seems that the OP added those details in an attempt to keep this thread focused on the message on the webpage, not on the choices leading to formula feeding in her case.

To be on topic, I support limitation of formula advertising, and still see the message as slightly insensitive.

MrsSchrute · 30/05/2024 08:52

Peaceandquiet9276 · 30/05/2024 08:50

You really think that a factory made milk is no better for a baby than their own mother’s tailor made milk which is designed perfectly for each individual baby and their needs?

It's not my opinion! Find a study that says it is 'far superior' on an individual level.

I'm not saying there aren't advantages, but they have been massively overstated.

Peaceandquiet9276 · 30/05/2024 08:53

Gemmy96 · 30/05/2024 08:51

It isn't "designed perfectly" when you produce none.

Hence why I said ‘vast majority’.

Meadowtrees · 30/05/2024 08:54

The companies selling artificial milk aren’t allowed to advertise it. So they’ve invented ‘follow on milk’ and toddler milk that no one needs but they are allowed to advertise, and then they use the same branding for the baby milk! with pictures of toddlers being fed bottles like babies!!

Jijithecat · 30/05/2024 08:54

ASighMadeOfStone · 30/05/2024 08:43

It stems from the days when companies like Nestlé literally went round selling formula to women who didn't realise that they had a choice not to buy baby milk. There are still people who will not buy Nestle products because of what was done to African women who had neither the money, or the education to understand that it was all just a multi-national telling lies to make even more money.

It's a literal fact that about 2% of women cannot breastfeed. Nestle saw that 2% as a marketing opportunity and ran with it for decades. It was an absolute worldwide scandal.

Nobody should feel guilty or pressured into feeding their babies how they want. A happy baby is a fed baby. But companies like Nestlé carried out some abhorrent practices in the past, which has led thankfully to proper legislation so that they can no longer get away with it.

The shop at my university didn't stock Nestlé products for precisely this reason. I'm glad they took this stance. It's an important issue and without them highlighting it, I probably would have been none the wiser for many years.

Peaceandquiet9276 · 30/05/2024 08:57

MrsSchrute · 30/05/2024 08:47

For the vast majority of babies, breastmilk is far superior to formula.

Not true. On a population level, there are advantages to breastfeeding. On an individual level, where there is access to clean water and sterilisation, the difference is negligible at best.

Comments like this are designed to make vulnerable new mums feel like crap.

And comments like ‘the difference is negligible at best’ could influence new mums to not even try to BF when they otherwise might have done if shown the benefits for mother and baby.

RidingMyBike · 30/05/2024 08:59

I'd prefer to see much more balanced information available antenatally and then later on. I was told so much about BFing at every midwife and obstetric appointment and antenatal classes. The only mention of formula was that it was 'unnecessary'. I was told all about things like the fourth trimester, 'normal' newborn behaviour and cluster feeding but it was made to sound snuggly and fun.

It would have been far more use to learn about the risk factors for milk delay and low supply - not just the 2% who cannot BF at all (the BFing antenatal class denied even this) but the far higher percentage who can't make enough milk or whose milk doesn't come in for ages - mine eventually came in at eight weeks. A friend's was six weeks. I had no idea this was even possible.

And then how to make a decision to safely feed your baby and what choices you have. I had no idea how to sterilise bottles because I hadn't known I might need to use them, I incorrectly sterilised for several days. And that was in SCBU because the staff wouldn't provide any support for using formula. That's in the context of my baby having to be tube fed formula to save her life when we were first readmitted. The hospital had lactation consultant and infant feeding midwives - there was so much support for BFing, nothing for formula.

There were BFing support groups all over the place but you are treated appallingly at them if you also use formula. The only 'correct' approach was to 'regret' the formula and be constantly striving to EBF. They were horrified when I said I didn't want to do more BFing than I was doing (it was miserable, unreliable and had already made my baby ill) because I found formula feeding far better (much more enjoyable, baby thriving, reliable, able to share feeds).

If there was proper support available for infant feeding, rather than only for BFing then there'd be no need to even be on formula company websites.

MrsSchrute · 30/05/2024 09:01

Peaceandquiet9276 · 30/05/2024 08:57

And comments like ‘the difference is negligible at best’ could influence new mums to not even try to BF when they otherwise might have done if shown the benefits for mother and baby.

Edited

But it's the truth.

Why not just present women with all the facts and let them decide for themselves?

MabelMaybe · 30/05/2024 09:01

I'd see this piece more about the site protecting their arse if someone says they followed the formula feeding advice on this page but malnurished the child by watering down the formula because it was too expensive, for example.

facelace · 30/05/2024 09:07

I used to HATE those messages.

NoCloudsAllowed · 30/05/2024 09:09

You need to understand the legislation that requires that disclaimer stems from a period around 50s-70s when companies pushed an ethos that breastfeeding was a primitive, inferior, backwards way of feeding babies and formula was modern and progressive and superior.

Bf does make a difference to the microbiome that plays an important role in shaping future health. It's not the only factor but it is important. I wouldn't want to see the pro-bf message diluted, personally.

I think what would help is way more support and education so bf doesn't come as a huge challenge and shock. Personally I had no idea how hard it could be or where to get help when I struggled with my firstborn.

We need to get the message out to everyone, not just pregnant women, that bf is a good thing to try but it can be hard and you haven't failed if it doesn't work out. But I don't think it should be a message saying formula is as good as breast milk because it is a different substance.

Overall, formula is definitely sometimes a better option when stress and medical conditions etc are taken into account. It's more complicated than saying they're equal.

We have miniscule bf rates in this country as it is, I don't think we should do anything to reduce it further. Something like 5% bf after six months, if I remember rightly.

Tygertiger · 30/05/2024 09:11

Formula is one of the most unethically produced and marketed substances in the world. These compulsory messages are a somewhat feeble attempt to counter that, because governments won’t do what would actually make a difference, which is to properly regulate the market and the manufacturers. To do so would be better for everyone - babies and FF mums included, because it would bring prices down - but Nestle, Danone etc are so incredibly big and powerful they’re basically untouchable.

Strip it back to basics. Formula is powdered cows’ milk, with added vegetable oil and vitamins. That’s basically it. There is no need whatsoever for it to cost £12 a tin or whatever ridiculous price is set for it these days. The fact it’s so expensive is to pay for the marketing campaigns, adverts (do Cow and Gate still give away “free” cuddly cows?) and in fact to give mums false reassurance that their product is “better” because it’s more expensive. In reality, the core ingredients of formula are set in law and the extras which the likes of Aptamil include to promote the idea that their milk is better are just window-dressing. There is basically no nutritional difference between Aldi own-brand formula and the most expensive tub of Aptamil, but the manufacturers are very good at manipulating mothers (who may already be feeling guilty, so are an easy market) to buy their expensive products.

They have whole marketing strategies for this. Aptamil is targeted at women who wanted to bf and couldn’t. They know these women didn’t want to FF, so they make the packaging scientific, they claim lots of extra ingredients are included which makes the milk better (not true - it would be totally unethical for one milk to be more like bm than another, so any ingredient that is really essential must be included in all milks by law) and they stick a big price tag on. On the other hand, Cow and Gate has cutesy packaging and a lower price-point. Its target market are Mums who have probably chosen to FF, who are confident in their choice and whose own mums probably used C&G as it’s a heritage brand so they seek out the same. There is actually no difference between the core ingredients of the two milks.

All of this marketing costs money, and none of it is about promoting babies’ health. Formula should be regarded as any other food product, scrutinised accordingly, but the manufacturers have done a good job of basically presenting themselves as charities who exist to provide an essential public service and are therefore immune from criticism. If this were really the case, they would reduce their packaging costs and they wouldn’t invent things like “follow-on” milk - there’s no need for this, but because it is intended for babies over 6m, they are allowed to advertise it, which is the sole reason it’s produced. Even then, you’ll notice the babies they use are as young-looking as possible and the shots of mum breastfeeding often show her alone, at home and in washed-out lighting. When she “decides to move on”, she’s often shown in bright light, in company, out and about. There’s an obvious undermining of bf right there.

Before TV ads, they undermined bf in other ways. In the 50s and 60s, manufacturers donated huge sums of money to build lovely new maternity wards in hospitals in America. By coincidence, the design of these wards meant that they all had separate nurseries for the babies. They were kept there, and brought to Mum every few hours for a feed. Ostensibly this was to make sure Mum “rested” - but in reality the manufacturers knew full-well that the best way to sabotage bf from the start was to ensure Mum and baby were separated and Mum was encouraged to feed on a schedule rather than on demand. This was combined with free samples of formula handed out on the wards to the mothers. It’s no wonder that the majority of babies in the USA began to be FF at this point.

This is not about whether it’s right or wrong to feed babies formula. It’s 100% about recognising manufacturers for what they are - they’re not saints trying to support mothers, they are huge multinationals who make billions of pounds/dollars of profit from formula. It is in their interests for every baby to be FF from birth, so they do what they can to achieve that. And they know once they’ve got you, you’ll probably stick with their brand for the whole time your baby is FF, so they work to persuade you that you mustn’t switch milk either. Again, this isn’t actually particularly good for babies. But once you look at the manufacturers critically, you see all kinds of unethical practice.

JustmeandADHD · 30/05/2024 09:13

CandyLeBonBon · 30/05/2024 07:57

It's a legally required disclaimer I think. Formula manufacturers are not allowed to 'promote' formula over breastfeeding, I believe.

This.

breast is best and it’s a fact but there is absolutely nothing wrong with FF a baby either if you choose/need to.

formula is a “one size fits all” where as breast milk is produced by your body and changes and grows with your baby. For example if your baby is unwell, the composition of your milk changes to give baby more antibodies.

there was a huge scandle in 1974 (I believe) where Nestle was telling mothers not to breastfeed and to buy their formula instead; for no other reason then to make a profit. Women were told that formula is better and to stop breastfeeding which many of them did as they didn’t know any better. Nestle made a huge profit at the expense of babies. That’s why there are a lot of regulations in place now. (Look the story up).

It’s a fact that breastfeeding is better for baby, however it doesn’t mean that formula isn’t good. A fed baby is a happy baby and no mother should feel guilty about making a choice.

Meadowtrees · 30/05/2024 09:19

Noclouds- quite, in the 60s formula feeding was a status symbol and bf was seen as something only ‘lower class’ women did, many people saw it (and still do) as ‘disgusting’ and primitive. People took pride in their rows of sterilised bottles etc. My MIL was of that generation and used to try to make me bf in the bathroom as she thought bf was ‘revolting’. after a few years she did actually start to come round to the idea that maybe it was an ok thing to do. She even realised that baby dh probably wouldn’t have ended up in historical with gastroenteritis if he’d been bf.
BF women are still sometimes discouraged from feeding openly, encouraged to wear ridiculous covers etc. The pressure is far from one way. I felt huge pressure to ‘just give them a bottle’ (my dm’s words) in the early days of bf.

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Everleigh13 · 30/05/2024 09:50

I agree actually. I find it absolutely bizarre and a bit patronising that I have to click that I agree that ‘breastfeeding is best’ when I want to read information about formula feeding. I have my reasons for formula feeding both my children. It isn’t anybody else’s business. It’s almost like you have to agree you’re being ‘naughty’ before you’re allowed to read information about formula feeding. Very odd.

Edit to add: And I understand it’s a legal disclaimer type of thing because they can’t promote formula feeding over breastfeeding, but it’s treating grown women like idiots who can’t make up their own minds or make an informed decision.

NoCloudsAllowed · 30/05/2024 09:51

MrsSchrute · 30/05/2024 09:01

But it's the truth.

Why not just present women with all the facts and let them decide for themselves?

The difference isn't negligible. Especially when you include things like reducing breast cancer risk for mothers.

It's also a bigger difference for babies with other vulnerabilities, like premature babies. Breast milk reduces risk of things like necrotising enterocolitis.

BM changes flavour whereas formula is always the same. It can influence food preferences when babies start solids.

Researchers are still unpacking what's in breast milk and what it does. It's a weird evolutionary soup. I'm pretty sure formula manufacturers are trying to find ways of making formula more similar to BM, for example by adding HMOs. But it's incredibly complicated.

There are also big differences in bm composition from woman to woman, which I think is very interesting.

It's a really fascinating subject, I don't think you can say there's no difference between the two types of feeding.

user1492757084 · 30/05/2024 09:56

WittyFatball · 30/05/2024 08:05

It's because formula companies killed so many babies in developing countries by lying to impoverished mothers. It's a blanket rule now, they aren't allowed to do it anywhere.

Regulations do have to be super strict on formula companies as they are so unethical, they control a lifesaving product and are willing to risk babies' lives if allowed to do what they want.

This. Not all people have access to clean, safe water with which to mix the formula and many babies were killed with formula - so companies have to be better at health warnings..

nodogz · 30/05/2024 10:00

I am a fully paid up breastfeeding zealot and even I think this is stupid.

Breast is not best, at best it can be described as biologically normal but that's not so snappy. And as humans biologically normal is not the way we do things anymore.

I bloody hate formula companies (but not formula feeding families). Formula is healthcare and a lifesaver. I'd like no advertising (as the companies can't do it ethically or without patronising people). Even if you are formula feeding's biggest fan and evangelist, it's worth reading up on why these big companies cannot be trusted and why we have legislation making them do certain things.

MuchTooTired · 30/05/2024 10:01

I’m assuming your DC is still young enough to need formula feeding, so I agree with you that fed is best and the you must agree message is inappropriate. I felt such massive shame at my inability to bf my DTs, and that massively contributed to my pnd.

6 years on, ff vs bf isn’t so important to my life now, how my DTs were fed in the early days rarely crops up in conversation. I still remember the high emotions when I read posts like yours op though.

drspouse · 30/05/2024 10:33

DunkinBensDonuts · 30/05/2024 08:04

Not to make this political, but if you are going to have socialised medicine, you will have to endure these stupid reminders.

There are people who want to be disclaimers about the dangers of sugar in food. As if we already didn’t know that lol

ITYM evidence based medicine.

I formula fed my DCs (they are adopted, would have loved to BF, have been berated many times by La Leche types who think I was just being lazy, no interest in pumping my or the DCs bodies full of chemicals to do it). I don't mind the disclaimers, and for the wavering new mum (very very few mums in poverty or young mums breastfeed, so it's obviously socially determined, not just an individual choice) they could be helpful.

Warnings about sugar, if they work, they are worth having.
Ditto bans on junk food advertising in children's programmes.
Ditto disclaimers about BF.
I like my medicine based on science not on your ideology.

OMGsamesame · 30/05/2024 10:37

DunkinBensDonuts · 30/05/2024 08:04

Not to make this political, but if you are going to have socialised medicine, you will have to endure these stupid reminders.

There are people who want to be disclaimers about the dangers of sugar in food. As if we already didn’t know that lol

Nope. The issue is not socialised medicine, it's the commercial interests that will engage in unethical practices to sell more formula, at a greater profit, if they're not regulated.