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staryeyed · 21/03/2008 22:02

If so what do you do and how old are your children?

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Anna8888 · 25/03/2008 14:29

OO - the situation that you describe just doesn't arise; so I can't tell you how I'd resolve it...

spokette · 25/03/2008 16:26

DTS are 4yo and we spend weekends by taking them to various parks, going for long walks in the woods, going for picnics in the summer, driving down to coast for long walks by the sea etc. Parks are great because they have learnt to recognise different trees, birds and basically notice the environment around them.

When we are at home, we read to them, do jigsaw puzzles and play games with them. Current favourite is a shopping game. It costs £1.69 and the boys love it - really simple game and we have a great laugh.

As I only work 3 or 4 days a week, when the boys are not at nursery, I take them to the library, read with them, have picnic in the living room or in garden when warmer and take them to the park. I also take them for rides on the bus as they love this

I have started cooking with them too and they love baking biscuits. I have different shape cutters and they love cuttng out biscuit shapes. If I am baking a cake, they take turns to mix the cake the mixture.

This year, I plan to get them into growing vegetables to help them understand where food comes from.

fivecandles · 25/03/2008 16:35

Actually your previous example Anna where the family all wants to go for a walk but your dd doesn't so she gets to stay at home and an adult has to stay with her is not consensus it is about one 3 year old getting her own way which entails the disppointment of the one adult who wanted to go for a walk and now can't and the disruption of family unity.

I am all for games, communication, trying to get the children to see other points of view when you are trying to get a child to do something she doesn't want to but sometimes nothing works and yes, you need to pull rank. You are the adult, they are the child. You are allowed to do this and you need to do this or children will get the message that they if they sulk or pull a tantrum or (it sounds like in your house simply say they don't want to do something as in your dd not wanting to go for a walk) then they will get their own way.

Like Cod, I'm a teacher and what you soon learn is that children most respect the teachers who have authority and clear rules and also the ones that are able to challenge their students firmly but fairly. The teachers that try to be friends get slaughtered. As do the teachers who let kids get away with anything. Although children may love their parents the respect thing is the same.

You may have a great relationship with your dd now but if you carry on allowing her to rule the roost and always negotiate you will find it increasingly difficult to manage her behaviour.

As for my example earlier. No, I don't think I would have kicked up any less of a fuss if my parents had 'negotiated'. My parents will have explained why we should go to see elderly relatives. It is perfectly normal for children to kick up a fuss on occasion (and actually I did it fairly rarely because I knew it would get me precisely nowhere and generally speaking I knew my parents were right). As a chid in that instance I was being selfish and thoughtless. I respect my parents for sticking to their guns.

And there are loads of instances like this. Thank you cards for example, going on walks etc etc. And I believe that it was absolutely right of my parents to set firm but fair rules. Which is not to say that children should do what their parents want and not what they want all the time. Or that there will be times when the rules can be relaxed.

Can I also say that the idea of negotiating and talking about points of view with a 3 year old is really quite silly. There will be times when a 3 year old just will not understand the adult point of view. They are 3. You are the adult. You make the rules.

If families really got run with families who 'negotiatied' and achieved 'consensus' with their children then there would be times when tehy would all end up sitting on their bums eating ice cream all day, watching unsuitable films and not going to school. Oh, yes, sadly this does happen and increasingly. Did you hear about the boy who threw his Wii agains the wall and that had tantrums for a week until his parents bought him anotehr?

And I appreciate that you're trying to win an argument here but I'm sure there are times when you 'lay down the law' as well. What about bed times for example? And meal times? I cannot believe that there is a child in the world who always does what they're told (even allowing for games and bribery etc). Every child has a screaming tantrum sometimes. That's a normal part of childhood. And any adult who gives in is naive at best.

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Blandmum · 25/03/2008 16:38

mine are 7 and 11

Walks to a local country park, swimming, lunches out, watching films, playing card games all on a regular (at least once a week or more often) basis.

On holidays, cycling, going to the beach, visiting museums/art galeries, castles, picnics, NT properties, theme parks

Blandmum · 25/03/2008 16:41

PS I run a benign dictatorship

They didn't want to go for a walk yesterday, but we went and they had a nice time.

I didn't really want to go for a swim, but they did, so we all went.

But if push comes to shove, what I say goes, I'm the grown up, I pay the bills

spokette · 25/03/2008 16:45

As Gene Hackman said in Crimson Tide, "we are here to protect democracy, not practise it". DH regularly uses that phrase on our DTS.

Hell will freeze over before DTS dictate to us the itinerary for the day.

fivecandles · 25/03/2008 16:46

Exactly Martian.

Anna, I do have to wonder how your dd will cope with school (and adulthood) if she's used to a life where it's ok to opt out of group activities, where all activities are negotiated and where there are no rules.

I really hope I don't have to teach her.

spokette · 25/03/2008 16:48

Just to clarify that when DTS are older, we will take on board their views but right now, we call the shots, as it should be with 4yos.

Blandmum · 25/03/2008 16:49

fivecandles, I was at a PTA meeting. ds is in year 3. One for his (lovely) teachers said, 'He doesn't always want to take part in group activities'

To which my answer was 'Don't give him an option!'

He has dyspraxia but it isn't too bad, and he has made more than enough progress in social situations to be told to get on with it. At this stage in the game he doesn't need mollycoddling.

fleariddencat · 25/03/2008 16:49

play games

Blandmum · 25/03/2008 16:51

When we are on holiday we do take into account their wishes, when it comes to planning the days. We do this following in the footsteps of freinds who have slightly older kids than ours, and I have to say it is very sucessful.

They know that they get to pick things, and that so do we. And if one of us spoils the others choice they get banned from the next selection round! And to be fair they are very reasonable and quite sensible. Quite often it involves swimming, which isn't going to kill me

fivecandles · 25/03/2008 16:57

Yes, Martianbishop, in fact, I don't think there's anyone on this thread who is saying that parents should always dictate what children should do without taking into account their views. Playing games, bribery (if you come to the shops with me I'll let you choose a magazine/ come swimming with you later) and treats are what good parents do all the time but sometimes children have to do things they don't want to and in my family 9/10 they'll enjoy them anyway.

Parents are way too scared of their kids these days and think they'll make them happy by giving in to them. Then they find they've lost control and turn to us. But also children NEED to know they are safe and secure and their parents are in authority.

fivecandles · 25/03/2008 17:22

Just found this by Tanya Byron who in my view is the queen of parenting and being a clinical consultant psychologist and a parent herself is possibly slightly more qualified than certain other people who shall not be named (no I'm not on her payroll unfortunately):

'?Children need to know where they stand. They need to hear the word no. I am amazed at how many parents intellectualise with their children, little children whose frontal lobe functioning doesn?t have the capacity to process choices or understand moral decision making. But because those children are linguistically sophisticated from watching so much telly, often parents are lulled into the notion that Johnny, who they think is a genius, can enter into a discussion.

?They are actually reinforcing the behaviour they don?t want by giving Johnny attention. They are not giving him insights because he can?t deal with those. If Peter bites his brother, pick him up, put him in another room and when you take him out, tell him that if he bites, the same thing will happen again. And then forget about it and get on with the day, and when he is lovely give him a hug because actions speak louder than words.?

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article419687.ece

Blandmum · 25/03/2008 17:45

oh yes. Agree 100%.

I had a huge disagreement with my PGCE tutor when I told her that I didn't think that teenagers were fully capable of making rational reasoned choices, because their brains are not fully mature.

She wanted me to treat them as adults, which I think does them a huge disservice. They are teenagers, and we forget that at their peril, as well as ours.

Anna8888 · 25/03/2008 18:13

fivecandles - we just got back from a meeting. I had to take my daughter with me due to unforeseen circumstances.

My daughter came with me and sat for 1 and half hours by my side and watched in silence. She behaves beautifully in the presence of other adults. She goes to school - and her report was extremely clear that she has mastered the concepts of respect for adult authority, respect for her peers and respect for school belongings.

By taking account of everyone's desires in a family children learn both that they are respected and that they should and can respect others.

Anna8888 · 25/03/2008 18:15

"Every child has a screaming tantrum sometimes."

No, they don't.

You know what? My stepsons never fight one other physically.

Don't assume that conflict in families is inevitable.

FluffyMummy123 · 25/03/2008 18:18

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JodieG1 · 25/03/2008 18:19

Personally I prefer Dr Sear's approach to parenting and he has 8 (I think) children of his own, I love what he writes and it makes a lot of sense.

I agree with Anna and what she has said basically too.

FluffyMummy123 · 25/03/2008 18:21

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fivecandles · 25/03/2008 18:22

Anna, I think you'll find that we all take account of everyone's desires in our families too. But we're not afraid of putting our foot down when necessary regardless of whether our kids feel like tidying their room/ going for a walk/ switching off the telly ... at that particular moment.

What I and I think MB are saying is:
a) Children's desires are not always reasonable or compatibile with the rest of the family

b) Children sometimes need to be told that they are not allowed to do something or that they must do something. Sometimes negotiation is not successful or not appopriate. Knowing their parents are in control is helpful for them as well as for the rest of the family.

If you do not agree with the above either:

1.)You have exceptionally compliant children who always do what you want them to do (which would be very unusual and actually quite odd since it's important for normal children to test the boundaries and be reassured by their presence).

2.) You are going to be in big trouble at some point because you will come across a situation (like school or homework or getting up in the morning or going to bed or whatever) where your negotiation and friendly cooperation tactics just do not work.

3.) Considering your dd is 3 you have already come across the sort of situation above and have set rules or laid down the law but for some strange reason you either do not recognize this or do not want to let us know.

Whichever the case, good luck to you.

fivecandles · 25/03/2008 18:25

Perhaps you just don't see your children's behaviour the way other people might anna. I'm not talking about physical fighting (my children rarely if ever do this). I'm talking about the time your child refuses to do something or wants to do something and their behaviour defies what is rational.

If your children have never had a tantrum like this they really are not normal or you are kidding yourself.

JodieG1 · 25/03/2008 18:27

www.askdrsears.com/html/10/t130100.asp pretty much what we do. I don't agree with you there five candles, discussion does work and so does getting them to think about what they're doing and why they're doing it etc.

It's not to everyone's taste but that doesn't make it wrong.

fivecandles · 25/03/2008 18:33

Discussion DOES NOT always work with a 3 or 2 year old Jodie. As Byron says their brains are not fully developed. Negotiation and consensus are adult concepts and mean nothing to a young child. What you are doing is giving attention to poor behaviour and giving into their (often irrational demands). At best this is misguided and OK you might feel that you've all co-operated really nicely when after 30 minutes of game playing and persuasion you've got your toddler to brush her teeth but what do you do when your 8 year old says she's not going to school this morning thanks and you can't make her? And what do you do when your 14 year old says he will be going out till 11 pm and drinking cider with his mates? Oh sorry this just isn't going to happen to you in your Walton type house is it?

Blandmum · 25/03/2008 18:35

I have to leave the house at 7.40 if the kids are to get to school on time, and I get to my school on time.

I don't have the time (and if I'm honest, the inclination) to 'discuss' the need to get dressed, brush teeth etc.

Amazingly they do as I ask moderatly well.

I preparing for them adult deadlines. Its a life skill.

fivecandles · 25/03/2008 18:42

Same here MB I haven't always got time to have a big debate about why we should do thing but also kids need to respect adult authority.

I would also hate to have kids who couldn't do as they were told without being cajoled and played with and negotiated with and thinking about what was in it for them. There's one word for it: spoilt. And another: selfish.