I think if people knew the mad, bonkers roots of strict routine-based parenting they would run a mile instead of buying more books about it.

[pruners]

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What is the book? It sounds very interesting.

What is the book Pruners?

what is the book called?

She's not going to tell us.

Is it that book from the thirties ???

It makes a grim kind of sense (that those are the roots), though, doesn't it? I was talking about these/related things to a friend we were staying with last week and we were saying sometimes society (men?) seems very frightened somehow of women's power in raising children.

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can i borrow it pruners when you have finished iT?

It certainly does ring true that the roots of this approach should be something like that. It is such a counter-intuitive way to do things.

Oh yes, I have that book - it's great. It kind of vaccinates you against all the other childcare books because you just read them and think 'Ah, you're just a descendant of the Truby King school!' and don't take them too seriously.

It gave my dh all sorts of dodgy ideas about how we ought to swaddle dd and hang her on a peg though

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super book

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not surprised really...men want to control everything so raising children threatens them because a lot of it is instinct and emotion and making emotional not rational judgements.
The extreme of regimentation being schools like Dotheboys Hall and the school in Jane Eyre which of course shows children actually dying through this desire for perfect regimentation.
Prior to this church Ministers instructed women to beat their children regularly to cleanse their souls...anyone read the books about child raising in the 1700's?
Don't, you'll cry.

i shall go to a slightly more local library !

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I've actually studied books about child raising in 1700s. As in the originals.

Not all as you describe.

Most the ones I read (from Jewish and Puritan authors) were strongly against the culture of harsh beatings that were going on.

Obv there was books published by others, and these were all published in England (except Jewish ones) but very interesting reading.

Very interesting, Pruners, will definitely look for that book. I knew Truby King was a loon but would be fascinating to read the history.

This book gives a world perspective to complement the historical one.

I should change that post - what I studied were the actual childrearing manuals. Of course actual behaviour didn't always follow. But overall compared to previous centuries 1700s wasn't as bad as some.

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