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WWYD? Grandparents and Sugar

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Sleepysaurus2 · 27/07/2023 20:04

My in-laws sometimes look after my 3 year old DD. It isn’t very frequent and it’s usually when they want to look after her, not from a childcare standpoint. I suppose on average it would be 2 or 3 times a month.

Every time DD goes to their house, she is only fed sugar. I honestly wouldn’t mind the odd treat or two but the whole day is just sugar. They have a cupboard full of ‘toddler’ snacks e.g things like mini gingerbread men, crispy tiddlers, those yo yo things and other similar items. Given the frequency that she goes to their house, I do find it unnecessary for them to have a whole cupboard full of these snacks. DD just asks for constant snacks when she’s there. She is a pretty good eater for a toddler but understandably she finds these items a big temptation when she is there. My DH has previously asked them to only offer her one of these items when she is there and to otherwise offer fruit or similar. They agreed to this but I am not confident they’re following this. There always seems to be a new snack in the cupboard. I find it unnecessary and a bit strange that they keep buying these expensive and nutritionally poor items.

DD was with my MIL today. When I picked her up MIL said she’d eaten all her lunch. I asked what she had and she told me DD had a jam sandwich on white bread (she’ll happily have cheese, ham or peanut butter), a yoghurt ‘and some other bits’. Then when we went to get her things I saw an open pack of French fancies and DD later told me she’d had a chocolate cake (presumably one of the French fancies). She does have bits of fruit when she’s there but every single thing she has is sweet. MIL was very happy to tell me that DD had really enjoyed a yoghurt mixed with jam…DD simply doesn’t need all of this. She isn’t a fussy eater! I used to send her there with a lunchbox similar to one she has at nursery but MIL has told me she prefers to make her lunch herself. This doesn’t make any sense!

It's stressing me out a bit and making me not want to send her there. I let her go there as it’s nice for our in-laws to be included and DD does have a nice time playing there. However, when she goes to my parents she’ll have homemade vegetable soup, veg lasagne or whatever with the odd biscuit which I’m fine with. I really don’t mind the odd treat but this feels a bit extreme.

I'm not sure if I (or maybe DH) should speak with them about it or whether I should accept that the occasional day there with lots of sugar isn’t the end of the world or worth potentially making things a bit awkward. I suppose I’m worried about the future incase she does end up going more frequently and it’s become habit to just eat these snacks. We also have DS 6 months and I don’t want this to be his experience there in the future either. WWYD?

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LuckySantangelo35 · 29/07/2023 08:57

Haha it’s gonna be a bit of a shock for some of you when your offspring go off to uni and live off beer and pot noodle. UPF a plenty

amymel2016 · 29/07/2023 09:00

Either don’t let your daughter go alone or let it go. A sugary meal 2/3 times month will make no difference, make sure you give her teeth a good clean and move on.

7Worfs · 29/07/2023 09:01

LuckySantangelo35 · 29/07/2023 08:57

Haha it’s gonna be a bit of a shock for some of you when your offspring go off to uni and live off beer and pot noodle. UPF a plenty

Well, lucky that 18yo kidneys, liver and cardiovascular system are much better developed to flush harmful stuff than a 2yo.
I despair at the mental gymnastics to justify feeding children UPF.

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Emmalb2619 · 29/07/2023 09:12

This sort of stuff really doesn’t sound too awful. Those snacks designed for kids might not be the most nutritious but they’re regulated in terms of sugar and salt content. We can’t and shouldn’t want to control every single little aspect of our children’s lives. Personally speaking as someone who’s children have grown up with very little grandparent contact due to circumstances beyond our control I would say that she will get so very much out of having that opportunity to have a close relationship with grandparents. A gentle word, maybe, if it makes you feel better, but certainly not worth jeopardising the relationship over.

bellac11 · 29/07/2023 09:16

user1471267414 · 29/07/2023 07:38

Obesity is also caused by children not being taught to self regulate and growing up as adults who binge eat foods of less nutritious value because it was restricted so much when they were children!!!

Not everyone with obesity is a binge eater

Not all binge eaters binge because of being restricted as a child

Where is the evidence for your statement?

Most people grow up eating a similar diet to what they were fed as a family/children when young

Nevertheless Im still aghast at another poster suggesting supervised visits because they give a child cake!!! Like as if they have a police record for violence or something.

Workawayxx · 29/07/2023 09:17

Can you limit visits to a morning or afternoon and give dd a big sugar free breakfast or lunch before she goes?

Or say to MIL “dd loves xxxx food but we try not to let her have it too much as it’s expensive/not super healthy” and make it a treat food but one you don’t mind dd having eg strawberries and cream, Greek yoghurt and honey, fruit juice ice lolly, babybel etc.

dottiedodah · 29/07/2023 09:19

I think Grandparents feel they are giving GDP a "Treat" with sugar! I think its only a few times ,but obviously the danger is that she gets a taste for it.Maybe just say to her that you are OK with a few treats but could she take it down a bit? Peaches ,satsumas apples and so on.Or say she really likes cubes of cheese ,some ham/tuna sarnies for lunch and so on. OW you may have to accept her way or DD will miss out on contact with her GDP which would be a shame

GlowGoldenRays · 29/07/2023 09:24

All bonkers, I imagine if it was your parents, looking after your child, infrequently, it wouldn’t matter for one day.

ohdamnitjanet · 29/07/2023 09:26

Whatever people think about treats and sugar, why should gp’s have a free pass? Would you feed crap to your friends dc’s if they asked you not to? Would they give her meat if she was vegetarian? It’s just polite to agree to such a simple request.

Gemstonebeach · 29/07/2023 09:32

Skinnermarink · 27/07/2023 20:24

I remember my grandparents being the same with me in all honesty. Little treat sweet bags, candy floss, chocolate in front of a film. I adored my grandma and was very close to her. If my parents had tried to get in the way of that over a few sweet treats I’d have missed out on so much. Think of the bigger picture.

Its funny how grandparents are as we didnt get many treats at home but getting two lollies from my Nana's lolly jar was very exciting! We didn't have dessert at home either, not even fruit or yogurt after dinner, but we did on Sundays at her house and I still remember her apple crumble and chocolate self saucing pudding. Yet I do have to tell my mum that I don't want too much junk as she will give in to her grandchildren! I was very close to my grandmother and I'd like to have my children to have that relationship, i can see it would be hard if she didn't respect my choices but a little bit of sugar isn't that bad.

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 29/07/2023 09:38

Ultra processed food isn’t good for us though. It would be different if she made a cake herself with ingredients your body knows how to process.

Treats are fine but this attitude of eating crap is ok is why diabetes and fatty liver disease is going up while other pathologies are declining.

ladydoe · 29/07/2023 09:39

this is what grandparents are for!!! I loved going to my Nannas as she had so many sweet treats and back at home had real food if you want to call it that. Don’t take the joy away from the grandchild and grandparents relationship.

PoliticallyIncorrectHitchling · 29/07/2023 09:44

@@Garman I feel sorry for your MIL

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/07/2023 10:02

user1471267414 · 29/07/2023 07:38

Obesity is also caused by children not being taught to self regulate and growing up as adults who binge eat foods of less nutritious value because it was restricted so much when they were children!!!

No, people don't binge eat rubbish because it was restriced to them. They binge eat for comfort or for other metal health issues.

We werent' able to have many sweet things in the 1970s when I was growing up because we were poor. I have never binged on sugary things.

The problem now is that so many grand parents are much wealthier than they were decades ago and sugar and chocolates are so much cheaper relative to other foods. So some idiot GPs think that they are being nice by "treating" their GCs all the time. It is not a treat, it is their normal food.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/07/2023 10:05

7Worfs · 29/07/2023 09:01

Well, lucky that 18yo kidneys, liver and cardiovascular system are much better developed to flush harmful stuff than a 2yo.
I despair at the mental gymnastics to justify feeding children UPF.

Exactly this.

There is a big difference between a 2 yo and an 18 yo.

Threenow · 29/07/2023 10:07

7Worfs · 29/07/2023 08:23

What’s ridiculous is comparing what constituted “a treat” 60 years ago, and now. Your treats were likely made of flour, butter, sugar, eggs, and other whole foods.

Have you looked at labels lately?

While I don't actually remember what treats my GM gave me 60 years ago I can tell you that not many years later I was eating shop bought biscuits and cake at her house. Also, the poster I was responding to said (ad naseum) "Sugar is a killer and people need to start realising that" - which means she would be just as much against your " flour, butter, sugar, eggs, and other whole foods" treats, given that the third ingredient on your list is sugar!

bellac11 · 29/07/2023 10:10

IMustDoMoreExercise · 29/07/2023 10:05

Exactly this.

There is a big difference between a 2 yo and an 18 yo.

Theres a big difference between a 2 year olds intake and an 18 year old and in this particular case its now and then. Most 18 year olds are glugging energy drinks daily and eating crisps, pizza, sweets as quite a big part of their diet.

This child, with good modelling at home is likely to develop good habits, despite the occasional bit of junk food at their grandparents

Saschka · 29/07/2023 10:18

IMustDoMoreExercise · 27/07/2023 21:01

I bet that they didn't have that tomato sugar when they were that young.

Very few people had any treats at all when the grandparents were growing up because I am the age of the grandparents so I know.

The grandparents could be any age between 45-75. And yes, people in their 70s had sweets, cakes, biscuits and chocolate as children. Maybe you didn’t, but thousands did.

Saschka · 29/07/2023 10:30

This was my mum’s favourite chocolate bar in the 50s. She also liked Turkish delight and crunchies, but Five Boys was her favourite. Her family owned a corner shop, so ate them regularly. Plus all the home-made cakes, puddings and biscuits.

The odd fruit Yoyo or jam sandwich seems fine to me (and if you are worried about UPF, a highly-processed cheese or ham sandwich is just as bad as a jam one).

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Bumblebee2022 · 29/07/2023 10:38

I’m a bit lax about sugar consumption now (teen dc) and never minded the dc having ‘treats’ when they were little, but what the gps are giving does seem excessive and more than just a one of treat.

whoever said that a French fancie is only a tiny cake, yes it is compared to a grown up, but not to a 3 year old. I’ve just looked, each cake has 16g of sugar, which is 18% of an adults sugar for the day. For a 3 year old, that is going to be a much higher percentage.

it takes no longer to give a child a cheese sandwich rather than jam, or to chop some cucumber rather than open a packet of cakes.
I’d be annoyed about this too OP. I bet these grandparents also can’t understand why there is so much obesity among children and are shocked about the rates of tooth decay in pre schoolers/primary aged children.

AegonT · 29/07/2023 11:14

That is a lot of sugar! However if her diet is otherwise good, it's only every couple of weeks, she behaves ok when she gets home (no sugar related bad behaviour for you to deal with) and she knows she only eats those things at Grandma's I would just let it be.

June628 · 29/07/2023 11:31

I wouldn’t class 2-3 times a month as very occasional. That’s quite frequent childcare imo. If they’ve been asked to stop by your DH and are ignoring you then I’d stop sending her there.

Merry05 · 29/07/2023 11:41

Both my parents and in laws are treat givers. Both have treat cupboards. It bothers me to an extent, but I don’t think it’s worth the awkwardness as it’s not often they are there and they otherwise are fed a balanced diet, good dental hygiene and visit the dentist regularly. Actually now that I mention it, dentist does comment on how perfect both their teeth are, both are active and healthy despite helping themselves to treats when they visit granny.

Oldest is now 16 from about 10/11 she hasn’t really been fussed with cakes, biscuits and chocolate. Youngest is a demon where we do need to say no at times but she’s only 4 and most of the times it’s a case of I can see it so I want it, which is true for most things at that age not just sugary snacks. Fun times!

user123212 · 29/07/2023 12:24

My mum is like this with dc. So i limit the number of days we go the their house, and take them all out instead when it's easier to control what's going in. Please don't break an otherwise fine relationship because of this! The older generation are happy that something goes in, not what it is. They survived war remember

Sleepysaurus2 · 29/07/2023 14:22

@user123212 yes although they are not of the war generation! They’re in their 50s!

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