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PLEASE HELP! Home falling apart due to in-laws involvement

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2023MNU · 21/07/2023 16:18

This is going to be very long to make sure I don't miss out any details, so sorry in advance!

In many, many ways, my partner is the perfect person for me. I could tell you 1000 things I admire about him! We have been together for almost 7 years and have a daughter together, as well as his son (my stepson) who lives with us almost full-time (23 days a month), which I was very aware of upon entering the relationship back then and have no issues with - apart from the never-ending shit I endure from his legitimately barefaced and manipulative ex-wife.

We live very, VERY close to his parents, I'd say practically neighbours. They are super lovely, and bar clear language barriers preventing a deeper relationship, we have a good relationship. I genuinely love them and look up to them. I could not imagine better in-laws and am so happy my kids get to learn from and bond with them. They are always happy to help with anything and everything! But their involvement in our lives is too much for me, and I feel very unhappy.

I was always raised to be very independent and have longed for my own family unit as long as I can remember. However, as my in-laws practically raised my stepson when his biological mother chose to no longer prioritise him, and my husband had to work late hours, they stepped in. I deeply commend this and appreciate their special (almost parental) bond with my stepson. However, I have now lived with my partner for years, and I feel they try to hold on to it which interferes with our daily family routines. I would like to just express how I completely understand that it's sentimental for them upon delving into more specifics, so you don't think I'm cold or neglectful of the impact they've had in his life.

However, they keep ALL his clothes at their place, including underwear, which means I have to literally go to their house or call them every time I need clothes for him, which is of course every day may I add. They insist(!) on washing all his clothes, which is of course incredibly kind, but he sees me as his mother and yet I have to ask his grandparents for everything needed for him, which I just find incredibly weird. Also, it's just a hassle for me. I tried to look past this for the better of their relationship and to not hurt anyone's feelings. But they also want to bring food for him every day (and for me as well, even though I've expressed I don't need it), including fruits and vitamins. Even on days they've accepted me providing food for him, they'll still come with fruits etc., even if they can literally see I've already given him fruits. And then they might stay for a chat. They will knock on the door about 6 times a day to help with things - never to be intrusive, only to help with things (like drop off some water or snacks they very kindly decided to get for me) but it SO feels like it nonetheless! Literally, they are in and out of the house at least 3 times a day, sometimes MIL is comfortable walking into our bedroom to get something - I don't know if this is just a personal thing, but that's just a big no no/invasion of privacy for me! They are always in our garden (they have grown herbs there and take care of it daily + need it for their cooking, which preserves our garden nicely, but also means they're always there). They're part of EVERYTHING, even a simple pool-day in the garden, where they will without fail always face-time or invite other family members to join, unless it's out and about in town. And of course, I don't want to be the bitch saying "no, uninvite your family members!" They will look inside our windows as well from time to time to check on the kids. Basically, they're always there. And despite how lovely they are, I know I can't live a life like this.

I understand they will always hold a maternal/paternal role to him, but I feel it's time to "let go", as I feel it's interfering with the way I envisioned I was going to lead a family life. I so crave the feeling of just being a family unit - parents and kids - without the grandparents. Don't get me wrong, I think it's GREAT they've got a strong bond, but this is just too much for me. I don't WANT all the help, and ultimately don't need it. I very much take pride in independence and feel I'm living like a child, depending on them for everything.

I've told them a million times to please not worry and that I'm happy to take care of everything, but they never listen. Either they 1) think I'm just saying it to be nice, 2) perhaps to insist on helping out as he's not my biological child, 3) as they're holding onto the past. All understandable and from a good place. But I can't live like this. So for a long time, I've started "dumping" him on them as I just find it easier than having them in and out all day as I just get in a bad mood which, sadly, reflects on my parenting (which if of course my own shortcoming, I just can't help it).

I'm sure many of you are wondering what my partner is saying. Basically, due to cultural differences and having grown up around more communal family values (which there's NOTHING wrong with, just not something I want for myself), he's on their side. And I'm happy to compromise on some things, but it doesn't seem like that can happen without causing havoc. I've talked to him many times and he says not to worry, they're only doing it to help my life be easier, and that it's good for them to have something to do (for example, clean his clothes and choose outfits, outfits I oftentimes hate btw but that's besides the point). I'm always met with the reminder of THEIR INTENTIONS, which in my opinion is just dismissive of my feelings because I never dispute their lovely intentions, but I just don't want that kind of family dynamic. In heated arguments, he's stated it's good we have them because I'm not "the kind of mother who just gets things done", which is so deeply hurtful because I know I am, I've just decided to let them help with stepson a lot because I AM a mother who wishes to get things done myself and can't stand the in-and-out of house policy, i.e. why I now ask for their help constantly. And that's probably my own fault, making it seem like I'm over-reliant on them, when really, I wish the opposite. Also, I find it offensive as I literally have taken on a full child as my own and have dealt with so much shit because of the biological mum. Not that he doesn't appreciate my help, but in me taking on that role, and stepson loving me so much, I feel I should be able to "act as" his mum and not have to rely on grandparents for that. No?

I entered into this relationship wanting a family unit, which I made clear knowing how closeby his parents live, i.e. a life very much integrated with his parents', however, with clear home boundaries. He, however, also insists he made it clear how integrated he wanted our lives to be with his parents, which I simply refuse to believe because I would never have wanted to live like this. I never expected them to be around so much. Maybe we misunderstood each other entirely back then. Maybe I was naive. So we've simply managed to literally not understand each other's family wishes, and now we're here, unhappy with kids, which just breaks me for the kids' sake. I miss privacy and I'm unhappy. But I also don't want to imagine the heartache a split would cause the kids, making me feel like I should just stay grateful for their help, have happy kids, and keep my mouth.

I'd literally rather all of you say I'm an ungrateful cow and reflect on that, than keep this all to myself. I need some kind of advice or personal opinions from people I don't know, to ensure I get unbiased viewpoints.

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babysharkdoodoodedoodedoo · 22/07/2023 02:31

My husband is Indian and his parents would quite happily live like this if they could but he won’t allow it because he respects me and the fact that I’m from a different culture. It sounds like your husband lacks respect for you and isn’t willing to compromise at all. I’d let your in laws see the kids daily and I’d let them grow herbs in the garden, but I wouldn’t let them pop round endlessly without asking. I’d definitely not let them invite relatives to my house.

AlfietheSchnauzer · 22/07/2023 02:46

Take your child and RUN!

AliceOlive · 22/07/2023 02:54

Does she wash your clothes, too? Have the same open door policy?

I would walk over there tomorrow, walk in and get his clothes for the week. Start there.

and definitely counseling.

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aloris · 22/07/2023 03:58

2023MNU · 21/07/2023 17:28

Thank you so, so much everyone for your input. I appreciate it so much, honestly! I know it was a long one. Lots of food for thought!

@jazzybelle Either me or my partner calls them/stop by their house every day before or after school to get some clothes ready. Sometimes I forget, and he'll literally just wait and run around the house naked, waiting for them to bring it

Well that is a bit worse than I thought. That is pretty unacceptable actually. I think you need to tell them that either THEY will bring his clothing to YOU by X time each morning, so that the child is not running around the house naked, or else you will need to keep the clothing at your house. Your husband will likely say, well it's your obligation to go to THEIR house to pick up the clothing. To which the answer is that then it's not so "easy for you" is it?

Also, stop letting them take away his clothing that you have bought for him.

This is such a ridiculous situation, I can hardly believe it. Maybe you are having us on.

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/07/2023 04:01

This is unsustainable longer term. Your dss will soon be getting to an age, where he doesn’t want to run around naked. He has a right to dignity and privacy and to take responsibility for his things. What happens if he has an accident in the night or is sick on himself? This situation is ludicrous. The first thing I’d renegotiate is getting the clean clothes back once washed. Perhaps stop handing over dirty clothes without clean ones arriving.

As for you, you have zero protection not being married so I hope you’re protecting yourself financially.

aloris · 22/07/2023 04:08

2023MNU · 21/07/2023 20:30

@Mumtothreegirlies Yes, I can see how the ex must have struggled with the same feelings as I. Sadly, she’s mentally unstable (I’ve seen it in action and it’s quite disturbing how little she priorities her son, really). She refers to me as “the nanny” whilst making no effort to be a bigger part of his life, so that’s that

I'll take your word for it. I will say, for many years my dh was enmeshed with his parents (not to this extent) and it had a very big, negative effect on my own mental stability. I would never de-prioritise my kids as you say your dh's ex did, but the lack of control over basic areas of my own life made me into almost a different person, like a shadow of who I used to be. We moved several hours away eventually, and I think we've improved a lot since then (moving away from his parents meant he had to allow himself to be closer to me because he wasn't able to get his emotional nourishment from them any more, and eventually he was able to see some of their flaws instead of only seeing them as the perfect people whom I could never hold a candle to). But I'm not really the person I used to be, before I had to make myself smaller so they could be centered. Please don't let this happen to you. You deserve better!

I would also point out, your daughter is only 1 year old. There's no reason to think that this intrusive behavior is going to be restricted to your stepson. It could very well be that your MIL will gradually begin gathering your daughter into her orbit in the same "helpful" way, and gradually elbow you out of the way, with your every attempt to stop it being stymied by your husband calling you unreasonable.

MichelleScarn · 22/07/2023 04:41

Has the hv for dd not been around and witnessed the pantomime that is dss' morning routine at least once?

AliceOlive · 22/07/2023 04:45

aloris · 22/07/2023 03:58

Well that is a bit worse than I thought. That is pretty unacceptable actually. I think you need to tell them that either THEY will bring his clothing to YOU by X time each morning, so that the child is not running around the house naked, or else you will need to keep the clothing at your house. Your husband will likely say, well it's your obligation to go to THEIR house to pick up the clothing. To which the answer is that then it's not so "easy for you" is it?

Also, stop letting them take away his clothing that you have bought for him.

This is such a ridiculous situation, I can hardly believe it. Maybe you are having us on.

At minimum they need to bring the clothing the night before. But he also needs backup clothing. (Can’t believe I’m writing this; it’s all insane.)

MichelleScarn · 22/07/2023 04:59

I'm confused, dss is 7 yo, you've been together for nearly 7 years, did the ex get much chance to parent him, or was she dispatched once she'd provided the baby?
Agree with pp, wonder how long till you become the 'unreasonable' one?

Autumnsoon · 22/07/2023 05:20

2023MNU · 21/07/2023 20:30

@Mumtothreegirlies Yes, I can see how the ex must have struggled with the same feelings as I. Sadly, she’s mentally unstable (I’ve seen it in action and it’s quite disturbing how little she priorities her son, really). She refers to me as “the nanny” whilst making no effort to be a bigger part of his life, so that’s that

Can you not see what the ex must of gone though at the hands of these bullies.
can you not see how she probably fought for a normal family,look how they are with you
do you really think they would of been more respectful with her .
your fine untill you decide to leave ..because I doubt you will leave with your mental health intact or your child .

mathanxiety · 22/07/2023 06:59

Get a lock for your bedroom door.

Get a lock for stepson's door.

Buy clothes for stepson. Keep them.in his locked room.

Arrange marriage counseling. Insist your husband goes to it with you.

It's easy to see why your husband's first wife walked away from all of this unhealthy enmenshment.

mathanxiety · 22/07/2023 07:13

I'd like to suggest the reason the ex wife calls you the nanny is that this is how her husband and his parents treated her when the precious son was born.

She's giving you a strong hint that you'd better never have a son with this man because if you do they'll muscle in, in the nicest possible way, and take over the baby, edging you out. And your husband will let them.

You've seen these people and how they behave around the stepson - you have not been told the truth about this woman and why she doesn't see her son.

MichelleScarn · 22/07/2023 07:47

2023MNU · 21/07/2023 20:30

@Mumtothreegirlies Yes, I can see how the ex must have struggled with the same feelings as I. Sadly, she’s mentally unstable (I’ve seen it in action and it’s quite disturbing how little she priorities her son, really). She refers to me as “the nanny” whilst making no effort to be a bigger part of his life, so that’s that

Do you actually think they would have ever let her be a part of his life?! How old was her son when they split?

LittleBearPad · 22/07/2023 08:08

You need to stand up for yourself OP and your SS.

They are bullies

I’d take what is said about the ex-wife with a huge pinch of salt.

BiddyBee · 22/07/2023 08:16

Sadly, she’s mentally unstable (I’ve seen it in action and it’s quite disturbing how little she priorities her son, really)

Hardly surprising as she must have had her baby taken from her practically at birth (as your DSS is 7 and you've been together 7 years). I can only imagine the coercion and harassment the woman has suffered to make her step back from parenting her own child. Open your eyes OP, you're next.

35965a · 22/07/2023 08:25

BiddyBee · 22/07/2023 08:16

Sadly, she’s mentally unstable (I’ve seen it in action and it’s quite disturbing how little she priorities her son, really)

Hardly surprising as she must have had her baby taken from her practically at birth (as your DSS is 7 and you've been together 7 years). I can only imagine the coercion and harassment the woman has suffered to make her step back from parenting her own child. Open your eyes OP, you're next.

Agree ^

LittleBearPad · 22/07/2023 09:05

35965a · 22/07/2023 08:25

Agree ^

Also agree.

Your DP moved on fast…

2023MNU · 22/07/2023 09:19

I appreciate everyone’s comments but I think this has gotten a bit out of hand.

Their marriage ended before the arrival of their son - she was unaware she was pregnant and they made “the best” out of a horrible situation. Also, they had the same familial values and she expected this kind of input - she lived with her in-laws out of own volition in a new relationship, just to point out that that likely wasn’t the problem. Also, the dynamic started after the in-laws had taken care of stepson as an extra set of parents (I.e. after mom had voluntarily stepped away). Teachers are worried about stepson due to mum and he always expresses how much he hates spending time with her. I understand how it seems but I guess you’re just gonna have to take my word for it

In regards to the clothes thing: I agree, it’s bizarre. They DO bring his uniform in the evening before school, so that’s ready. I think it’s their sad attempt to hold onto the life they had with him, more so than trying to purposely stay controlling, causing a very invasive lifestyle. Please try to imagine a set of very mild 70-year olds who simply can’t see the impact of their actions due to that kind of lifestyle being normal for them (as someone else pointed out her). But yes, I am worried how this is all gonna be affected long-term and as someone said: intentions do not negate impact!

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whatwasIgoingtosay · 22/07/2023 09:25

Thank you for your update OP. It makes slightly more sense now. But you're going to have to put the brakes on their behaviour, especially the coming into your house so often and also having your DSS running around naked because he has no clothes. Be firm!!

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 22/07/2023 09:25

I'd buy him some clothes for home and stash them away. That's really strange.
What if he needed clothes desperately? Like woke up late one morning? Or had an accident? The kid needs clothes!

Schoolchoicesucks · 22/07/2023 10:02

At 7, how does your SS feel about the level of involvement from his grandparents? I imagine he is used to this and has benefitted from the stability of relationship with them. Removing it would be detrimental to him.

I don't know how I would handle this situation. I would also struggle with the overstepping into my home. In some ways I think it may be easier to have proper intergenerational living rather than this your house my house but them always in my house situation.

I think I would

  • fit a lock on my bedroom door and use it so that they cannot access my personal space
  • buy a wardrobe and laundry hamper for dss and use it. Tell MIL that each week she can collect dss school uniform and return it clean and laundered over the weekend. But you will wash all underwear, non school clothes, bedding etc. And it will be done in bulk once a week so no need for daily panicked transfers
  • install blinds or window film that obscures the view in to the house from the outside but still allows light and you to see out to the garden so that when they are visiting to tend to the garden they can't look into the house so easily
  • hand back food they bring that you don't need or want. Every time. Arrange to eat together once or twice a week if you like. You or dh cooks for one of those meals. PIL for the other. If they still bring fruit amd snacks at other times and won't take it back, have a food bank collection box and put it straight in there every time and let them see.
  • it is fine for ss to spend time with them one on one. Does your dc also spend one on one time with them? If not then tell them this isn't fair on them not having such a close relationship. They should be able to spend time with both kids and with each one individually. Then you and dh get to spend time with dss individually too.
  • Move. To be honest I think that's really what I'd do as despite the above, if DH isn't on board with living a more independent life it would take something drastic.
HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 22/07/2023 11:04

Why did you post then OP? You've said there's nothing you can do, you don't seem genuinely worried for either your own child or your step-son. Now you're defending their behaviour. What's the point of this?

Stomacharmeleon · 22/07/2023 11:11

@2023MNU you are going to do nothing at all... remain passive in your own life. Good luck!

2023MNU · 22/07/2023 11:13

@HangerLaneGyratorySystem not at all defending, just giving context to make the conversation more fair/representative as I felt it derailed slightly. I am worried, very much so - not from a safety perspective, but from the angle of being able to build upon a insular family unit as well as having independence as a mother. I’m very much reading all comment carefully and am set on demanding change ASAP, so hopefully none of you think I’m dismissing your input

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2023MNU · 22/07/2023 12:09

UPDATES (need all of you mommas' feedback!):

I read this post out loud to my partner, to which he said that if I wanted valid responses, I should have pointed out some very important details:

  • They can access the garden from outside and do not have to go through our house in order to be in it
  • They do not, and have never, let themselves in the house - they knock on the door regularly daily where I'll open for them (how can I ignore them so often though... also, most of the time, SS will open the door)
  • I should've addressed just how close by they live - not multiple houses down, which he believes makes it sounds wilder. It's more of a upstairs/downstairs situation as it's maisonette houses built quite uniquely, so they are only a few steps away (not exaggerating)

He said the way I worded it (without the above details) makes his parents sound crazy, coming in and out of the house as and when wanted, which would've of course promoted everyone's reactions.

AIBU for disagreeing with him and believing that the above details do not change anything? (Open to being completely in the wrong here, just need your input as I'm going insane)

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