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PLEASE HELP! Home falling apart due to in-laws involvement

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2023MNU · 21/07/2023 16:18

This is going to be very long to make sure I don't miss out any details, so sorry in advance!

In many, many ways, my partner is the perfect person for me. I could tell you 1000 things I admire about him! We have been together for almost 7 years and have a daughter together, as well as his son (my stepson) who lives with us almost full-time (23 days a month), which I was very aware of upon entering the relationship back then and have no issues with - apart from the never-ending shit I endure from his legitimately barefaced and manipulative ex-wife.

We live very, VERY close to his parents, I'd say practically neighbours. They are super lovely, and bar clear language barriers preventing a deeper relationship, we have a good relationship. I genuinely love them and look up to them. I could not imagine better in-laws and am so happy my kids get to learn from and bond with them. They are always happy to help with anything and everything! But their involvement in our lives is too much for me, and I feel very unhappy.

I was always raised to be very independent and have longed for my own family unit as long as I can remember. However, as my in-laws practically raised my stepson when his biological mother chose to no longer prioritise him, and my husband had to work late hours, they stepped in. I deeply commend this and appreciate their special (almost parental) bond with my stepson. However, I have now lived with my partner for years, and I feel they try to hold on to it which interferes with our daily family routines. I would like to just express how I completely understand that it's sentimental for them upon delving into more specifics, so you don't think I'm cold or neglectful of the impact they've had in his life.

However, they keep ALL his clothes at their place, including underwear, which means I have to literally go to their house or call them every time I need clothes for him, which is of course every day may I add. They insist(!) on washing all his clothes, which is of course incredibly kind, but he sees me as his mother and yet I have to ask his grandparents for everything needed for him, which I just find incredibly weird. Also, it's just a hassle for me. I tried to look past this for the better of their relationship and to not hurt anyone's feelings. But they also want to bring food for him every day (and for me as well, even though I've expressed I don't need it), including fruits and vitamins. Even on days they've accepted me providing food for him, they'll still come with fruits etc., even if they can literally see I've already given him fruits. And then they might stay for a chat. They will knock on the door about 6 times a day to help with things - never to be intrusive, only to help with things (like drop off some water or snacks they very kindly decided to get for me) but it SO feels like it nonetheless! Literally, they are in and out of the house at least 3 times a day, sometimes MIL is comfortable walking into our bedroom to get something - I don't know if this is just a personal thing, but that's just a big no no/invasion of privacy for me! They are always in our garden (they have grown herbs there and take care of it daily + need it for their cooking, which preserves our garden nicely, but also means they're always there). They're part of EVERYTHING, even a simple pool-day in the garden, where they will without fail always face-time or invite other family members to join, unless it's out and about in town. And of course, I don't want to be the bitch saying "no, uninvite your family members!" They will look inside our windows as well from time to time to check on the kids. Basically, they're always there. And despite how lovely they are, I know I can't live a life like this.

I understand they will always hold a maternal/paternal role to him, but I feel it's time to "let go", as I feel it's interfering with the way I envisioned I was going to lead a family life. I so crave the feeling of just being a family unit - parents and kids - without the grandparents. Don't get me wrong, I think it's GREAT they've got a strong bond, but this is just too much for me. I don't WANT all the help, and ultimately don't need it. I very much take pride in independence and feel I'm living like a child, depending on them for everything.

I've told them a million times to please not worry and that I'm happy to take care of everything, but they never listen. Either they 1) think I'm just saying it to be nice, 2) perhaps to insist on helping out as he's not my biological child, 3) as they're holding onto the past. All understandable and from a good place. But I can't live like this. So for a long time, I've started "dumping" him on them as I just find it easier than having them in and out all day as I just get in a bad mood which, sadly, reflects on my parenting (which if of course my own shortcoming, I just can't help it).

I'm sure many of you are wondering what my partner is saying. Basically, due to cultural differences and having grown up around more communal family values (which there's NOTHING wrong with, just not something I want for myself), he's on their side. And I'm happy to compromise on some things, but it doesn't seem like that can happen without causing havoc. I've talked to him many times and he says not to worry, they're only doing it to help my life be easier, and that it's good for them to have something to do (for example, clean his clothes and choose outfits, outfits I oftentimes hate btw but that's besides the point). I'm always met with the reminder of THEIR INTENTIONS, which in my opinion is just dismissive of my feelings because I never dispute their lovely intentions, but I just don't want that kind of family dynamic. In heated arguments, he's stated it's good we have them because I'm not "the kind of mother who just gets things done", which is so deeply hurtful because I know I am, I've just decided to let them help with stepson a lot because I AM a mother who wishes to get things done myself and can't stand the in-and-out of house policy, i.e. why I now ask for their help constantly. And that's probably my own fault, making it seem like I'm over-reliant on them, when really, I wish the opposite. Also, I find it offensive as I literally have taken on a full child as my own and have dealt with so much shit because of the biological mum. Not that he doesn't appreciate my help, but in me taking on that role, and stepson loving me so much, I feel I should be able to "act as" his mum and not have to rely on grandparents for that. No?

I entered into this relationship wanting a family unit, which I made clear knowing how closeby his parents live, i.e. a life very much integrated with his parents', however, with clear home boundaries. He, however, also insists he made it clear how integrated he wanted our lives to be with his parents, which I simply refuse to believe because I would never have wanted to live like this. I never expected them to be around so much. Maybe we misunderstood each other entirely back then. Maybe I was naive. So we've simply managed to literally not understand each other's family wishes, and now we're here, unhappy with kids, which just breaks me for the kids' sake. I miss privacy and I'm unhappy. But I also don't want to imagine the heartache a split would cause the kids, making me feel like I should just stay grateful for their help, have happy kids, and keep my mouth.

I'd literally rather all of you say I'm an ungrateful cow and reflect on that, than keep this all to myself. I need some kind of advice or personal opinions from people I don't know, to ensure I get unbiased viewpoints.

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2023MNU · 21/07/2023 18:37

@Batalax @jazzybelle Genuinely asking here: How do I counter-respond to the response "What's so wrong with them wanting to help out? Also, it's nice for them to have something to do, and they been an extra set of parents to him". To me, it's as obvious as it is to you that of course, this isn't normal. I struggle with how to word it, though!!

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OhcantthInkofaname · 21/07/2023 18:43

2023MNU · 21/07/2023 16:52

@TakeMe2Insanity They are!

@PotteringAlonggotkickedoutandhadtoreregister Ugh I can't tell you how nice it is to hear someone agree with that. Well, MIL walks into stepson's room and grabs it before I could even entertain that thought if I'm honest, so I wouldn't know

Then grab them back.

EileenBrysonsTeabags · 21/07/2023 19:00

This goes beyond a mumsnet thread and folk offering solutions to the clothes issue.

You're going to need couples counselling to get beyond this OP as there are deep rooted cultural and family expectations at play here that need an intermediary to help guide you through.

I like many other posters simply could not cope with this and would rather leave than continue with this set up. I feel for you. You must feel completely suffocated.

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LadyKX · 21/07/2023 19:08

@2023MNU re what you said above
“ I have tried saying it would be way easier for everyone if we bought a closet to store all his clothes, however, she said "no don't worry, I can easily do it". Don't know where to go from a comment like that really as I also don't want to hurt her feelings or seem territorial of her grandson.”

You just need to point out the current arrangement no longer works as it is absolutely insane. Therefore, your step-son absolutely needs some clothes at HIS OWN HOME. And then go and buy him some. If she tries to take them, stop her, repeating the above. You simply have to stop this madness.

nevynevster · 21/07/2023 19:17

I agree with the other person who suggested couples counselling. This is deep rooted stuff and isn't solvable by you alone. Even if you accepted these arrangements, it's never what you wished for so there'd always been some unmet need of yours. And if you moved away then your DH may have unmet needs (we don't know his feelings).
This is hard. Very hard to solve. Because there are lots of complex relationships to consider, yours, your DSS but also your other child who may wonder why he's treated differently by the grandparents or why you are not washing his brother's clothes. Either way this will take a while to work through and and professional help will make go better.

Budabest · 21/07/2023 19:18

His ex might have been nice but went nuts after some time living like this. I couldn’t do it I would leave. What happens when they are old, are you going to be the designated carer?

Unless you are fully committed to this lifestyle you can only leave. They are not going to change. I’d be worried about ending up like his ex. Did she really leave the child behind or did she feel she had no choice in the end? I’d take my kid and run now. He’s already started on you, running your confidence down.

TheABC · 21/07/2023 19:20

Your step son deserves clothes in his own home. You deserve privacy and boundaries. Your in-laws need to back off. Put your foot down, change the locks or move.

And have a word with DH. He allows this because it's an easy life but it's damaging your marriage. My own in laws live locally and they always call ahead before coming over. It's fine to be close. It's not fine to be enmeshed.

CC4712 · 21/07/2023 19:21

Buy a wardrobe for your step son with a lock on it. Make it exciting and fun for your step son. Maybe removable sticker things in a theme he likes (lego/superman or whatever) and its special so he can keep his clothes in.

Next time in-laws come in, his clothes are locked away. you can phrase its as 'well Jimmy is growing up now, he needs his own clothes in his own house now' 'Of course you can keep YOUR clothes at YOUR house though' with a big smile!

The whole thing it utterly ridiculous! How old is the step son?

SunRainStorm · 21/07/2023 19:27

I couldn't live like this. It sounds batshit

Olive19741205 · 21/07/2023 19:38

How old is your DSS? Does he ever express an opinion about where his clothes are?

As for the rest of your post regarding your in laws, I couldn't cope with all that invasion of privacy. I'd move.

JudgeRudy · 21/07/2023 19:48

I'm assuming you are probably not native British and much of your problems are cultural. I would normally suggest that actually this is something for your husband to sort but it sounds like he really doesn't see it as a problem. Also, is it that childrearing/housewirk/meals/laundry etc are seen as women's work and so this is really between you and your MIL.
It does sound a very odd arrangement and one that I wouldn't be happy with. I'm wondering how you actually got yourself into this without noticing. Have you recently had a your child and its highlighted your wish for a more insular/separate family unit.
How would you feel if both children spent time with there grandparents....but less often. Does ghe first born have more status or is it just that they are closer to him. How old is he? You say you've been together for over 7 years so I'm imagining him as an older child. What does he want?
Ultimately you can reduce the amount of times your PIL call round for instance, but it's going go take agreement and action from your OH for anything more to change. J doubt you'll get either because he's happy as he is.

2023MNU · 21/07/2023 19:49

@Olive19741205 @CC4712 Stepson is 7 years old, daughter 1 year old

Also, can't thank all posters enough for their input. I finally feel like I'm not the crazy/cold one in this. For context, my in-laws struggle to understand English sometimes, hence why I've wanted everything to come from my partner, but since he's not understanding of my problem with the situation, I've been scared he'd fail to convey it productively. Basically, I've avoided the big (and requisite) convo.

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Thosepeskyseagulls · 21/07/2023 19:54

It’s a nice change from all the threads about stepmums being essentially exploited for caring responsibilities. But it’s also bonkers.

GrumpyPanda · 21/07/2023 19:57

2023MNU · 21/07/2023 18:37

@Batalax @jazzybelle Genuinely asking here: How do I counter-respond to the response "What's so wrong with them wanting to help out? Also, it's nice for them to have something to do, and they been an extra set of parents to him". To me, it's as obvious as it is to you that of course, this isn't normal. I struggle with how to word it, though!!

"It's not 'helping out' when all it achieves is creating MORE work for me."

Rinse and repeat.

2023MNU · 21/07/2023 19:57

@JudgeRudy "Have you recently had a your child and its highlighted your wish for a more insular/separate family unit." Eye-opening comment! Whilst I always struggled with it, I think once our daughter became a part of our family, I must have subconsciously realised how unsustainable the situation is (how is this going to pan out in future? Is stepson going to be treated differently or are they going to be as involved in both children's lives?). To be honest, my partner always told me how lucky we are to have so much childcare help and I have been made to feel unappreciative in times I've opened up about my struggles with the arrangement

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2023MNU · 21/07/2023 20:01

@GrumpyPanda That's a brilliant reply, I must admit. I'm going to use that!!

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CC4712 · 21/07/2023 20:11

Who decided to move SO close to the in-laws? Easier said than done- but I would more far away- AT LEAST 30mins away, ideally more.

You do realise that once the kids have moved out- you will be the in-laws carer!!!

Seriously look at ways to move away- get a job in the next town etc. Possibly not viable right now- but make a plan now.

Mumtothreegirlies · 21/07/2023 20:23

Can you kind of see why the Ex is no longer in the picture now.
probably was terribly abused because she didn’t comply with their rules. Now you’re left thinking all these bad things about her. One day you’ll be her. I hope you have a good lawyer because they’ll take your child too if you’re not careful.

namechange998 · 21/07/2023 20:23

You can understand why the ex is an ex! I would be driven insane with this

2023MNU · 21/07/2023 20:26

@CC4712 husband owned the house beforehand. It’s a perfect house, area, and walking-distance school (that I’d love for my daughter to also attend!) so moving is not a possibility at all, sadly. Also... we do need help with childcare!

My in-laws are 70, so I don’t think that’d be the case, especially seeing as our children are so young.

I really appreciate the comment, thank you

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2023MNU · 21/07/2023 20:30

@Mumtothreegirlies Yes, I can see how the ex must have struggled with the same feelings as I. Sadly, she’s mentally unstable (I’ve seen it in action and it’s quite disturbing how little she priorities her son, really). She refers to me as “the nanny” whilst making no effort to be a bigger part of his life, so that’s that

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Chasingadvice · 21/07/2023 20:31

Norman Bates

Emily234 · 21/07/2023 20:50

Of course the ex is mentally unstable .. goodness knows how she has been treated in the past. Your inlaws are enabled and likely empowered by your husband to have this entitled evasive role in your day to day (hour to hour?) life. Sure that would drive most bonkers.

You need to leave. This will not get better. This is not normal. Everyday you let your daughter live in this toxic environment and normalise / accept their behaviour is going to make things more difficult in the long run.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 21/07/2023 20:52

Who buys your step sons clothes? If you or your DH you can insist you keep and wash at yours surely?

How old is DD?

Can you ask your husband how he'd feel if your own parents were constantly in and out of the house including bedroom? Maybe you could invite a (fun up for mischief) friend to stay and ask her to literally do what the PIL do and go in and out of your bedroom, interfere with meals etc and see how he likes that. You can say oh she's just so comfortable like that with me; but interesting you note that she's crossing boundaries eh?!

mousehouse · 21/07/2023 21:04

Move. There are other lovely schools. You are crazy to entertain this. It’s bad for your SS too - effectively he’s not allowed to keep his clothes in his own home but your DD is? How on earth must that make him feel?

It’s going to be hard because you’ve got so much back peddling to do but you are entitled to put boundaries in place. Be honest with your husband - whatever PILs intentions it doesn’t work for you and it needs to change.