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Please help me to help my devastated son

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pastacaring · 30/12/2022 19:53

Tonight my 16 year old ds has been declared medically unfit for the Army. It is all he wants to do and if his appeal fails he will be devastated. He has been studying hard for his gcses and spending all his spare time reading about and training for the Army. I feel sick for him and I need advice of what to say to help him through this.

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antipodeancanary · 31/12/2022 00:04

People should be aware of this. ADHD is another one that you cannot have been treated for if you wish to sign up. DS is diagnosed but 'luckily' is a huge git and refused medication right from the start - has never taken anything. He has joined the army. It is bizarre that he is allowed to have the condition, but not to have treatment.

Shelefttheweb · 31/12/2022 00:19

StressedToTheMaxxx · 30/12/2022 21:45

I'm a mental health nurse, I do remember as a student having a placement with a community CAMHS team. Kids were advised in advance that any assistance from MH services would be declared on their medical files and it would potentially preclude them from entry to the armed forces.

It really was a shame, many of the kids who were referred to us had no mental illness at all, it was just normal human feelings/emotions of feeling anxious at times, feeling down at times. Normal human experiences, certainly not clinical depression/anxiety. However increasingly, any uncomfortable feelings seem to be labelled as mental health problems and thus so many teens were referred to us for these 'MH issues'. She told me of quite a few of them who were denied entry to the forces. This was a small town so she knew quite a few of them/their families and the kids ended up having to pursue alternative careers. She knew of a couple who did win on appeal however.

I am intrigued at the thought that any CAMHS teams are actually seeing children without significant MH issues.

FleasNavidad · 31/12/2022 00:33

"I am intrigued at the thought that any CAMHS teams are actually seeing children without significant MH issues."

Tis true. I know of two kids who were put through it just because their mum is ill herself and insisted. She just wouldn't let it go

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healthadvice123 · 31/12/2022 00:34

We are thinking we may have this issue ds is doing UPS course and wants to join Raf and he had excema as a child and now reading this may mean he can't join and also has to wear glasses recently so again not sure if he will pass although he doesn't need glasses to drive etc
Its all he wants to do and he doesn't want to be in the police force ( seen how most of the public see them lately) or fire services and is not brainy enough to be in the paramedics so it feels like 2 years wasted if an instant no as course will be pointless

BadNomad · 31/12/2022 00:35

He's still very young. If his mental health continues to stay stable, his early anxiety episode will be less relevant. How he handles this disappointment will actually be a good indication of his current resilience and maturity. In the meantime, you could explore the army cadets, maybe. They take young people up to 18-years-old. I don't think the TA is possible, I'm pretty sure they will have the same rules as the reg army. He's too young for the TA anyway.

woolyjulie · 31/12/2022 00:37

Hi, my daughter has recently gone through this, you can appeal, provide a letter from your gp confirming he's had the issue resolved and make sure to contact his recruiting officer, they can be really helpful with guidance and support. My daughter is autistic and got accepted when it was confirmed she didnt take any medication and hadnt needed to see gp for it for some time. You can appeal more than once too, unless they have said he will never be allowed to join? It took us a year all in, its a long slow process, she attended MPTC military college while waiting. Dont lose heart yet, good luck

Magn · 31/12/2022 00:44

I'm sorry to hear he's struggling. Like some others we found the army a mixed bag for mental health issues - when it's good it's great but some of the conditions they're put in can amplify any existing issues which is why they have to be so careful. We actually found organised sport to have much the same positive effect.

sjpkgp1 · 31/12/2022 00:47

@pastacaring You did everything right at the right time, you sought help for your son, and most people would have done exactly the same. There's loads of good suggestions from the kind posters on here and I think you and your son will follow them up once the initial disappointment is over - there are other options and some of them may turn out better including the police. I feel really very cross on your and your son's behalf, I think there has been an injustice here....not medicated, a long time ago, son has done fine since, has worked towards it etc. I would appeal, but I would also look elsewhere. It is so awful when your child is sad because they don't get the chance they deserve. Asking them to pick up the baton again when there has been injustice is a really hard ask, but it IS marginally better than when they let themselves down - he hasn't. Cold comfort I know. 4 DC here, and we have had both situations. I wish your son good opportunities, and I think they will come xx

LoisWilkersonslastnerve · 31/12/2022 00:56

Definitely appeal op and don't feel bad for getting your son help. Gently remind him though that the army isn't like other careers. They want people who are physically and mentally at their peak. My neighbours son is in the Army and despite never being in a war zone yet has still experienced trauma. He's been in jeep crashes,had injuries, worked abroad with people who have lost their families in conflicts etc He's had friends thrown out for relatively minor incidents that civilian employee's would be let go.

Mulhollandmagoo · 31/12/2022 01:05

Tonight, just give him a hug and be there for him, you can sort the rest tomorrow 💐

Miajk · 31/12/2022 01:59

pastacaring · 30/12/2022 20:03

Anxiety issues when he was younger, resolved but on record. The worst thing is, it was me that got him help, thinking I was doing the right thing at the time. As it turns out the help he got was dire. His issues resolved with family support. I feel awful that by seeking this useless help I have messed everything up for him.

It's a blessing then. The army is not a great place for anyone, especially not someone who has mental health struggles (or had them and they could be triggered).

Trust me. The armed forces are often a very toxic environment and he's dodging a bullet. The amount of "boys don't cry", misogyny, etc. that happens there is appalling.

MiddleOfTheNightAgain · 31/12/2022 02:04

Yes this is a blessing in disguise OP. It really is.

lifeinthehills · 31/12/2022 02:12

Of course it's disappointing for your son but it is good they are being conscientious with recruiting. Some of the issues with PTSD and cosequences are at least recognised and they are trying to protect your son. Good luck with the appeal. You did the right thing getting your son help at the time he needed it.

Ballymaloo · 31/12/2022 02:36

The harsh truth is, no matter how much he wants to join the army, he’s not suited to it. Because he’s the type of person who has anxiety. Not dissing people with anxiety - but it’s important to know your strengths and weaknesses, and find a path that suits your individual needs. It’s not that they’re rejecting him - he’s not suited to it. Even if you hadn’t sought this help you mention, he would still be an anxious person who’s not suited to the army.

WineAndDontDine · 31/12/2022 06:24

NewspaperTaxis · 30/12/2022 23:54

Erm... not really @WineAndDontDine

The Times, in a recent leader, talked about how the police recruit known criminals 'in spite' of their criminal records. Er, why would they actually do that? Unless, of course, it's deliberate.
Yep, it really really is that corrupt.

"In spite" doesn't mean "because of". There's a million reasons that could happen. Conspiracy theory at best.

RogersOrganismicProcess · 31/12/2022 07:16

Poor lad, it is tough when you have your heart set on something and it falls through and when you are young, hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. You sound like a really supportive mum.

Let him talk, don’t try to placate him or help him to look on the bright side with “at least…” type statements as these will only make him feel unheard/misunderstood.

When he feels ready you can look at alternatives together.

He has dodged a bullet. In service he will experience high stress and trauma as a matter of course and need to keep calm as a matter of life and death. Certain personalities are definitely more suited to doing this. Having a record of anxiety, no matter if it was in the past or not, will be an indication that a person is more than likely not the right fit for the pressure of the job.

For example, my husband (ex career military) went out for a run and found a lad who had been stabbed, horrific but he saved the boys life while others who were there panicked. He didn’t know if the attacker was still there or not. He came home covered in blood but perfectly calm, spoke about it once then that was it. I was waiting for it to hit him for him to need to talk about it, it never did. There were other people there (some who knew and cared for the lad) who in the moment were incapacitated by fear and anxiety, their fight/flight kicked in, it wasn’t in their control. No matter how much they wanted to save their friend they were unable in the moment. Personally I found seeing my husband in that state, and the smell of the blood, traumatic and that was after the event.

Hope he finds something he loves doing that he is suited to op. Good luck to him.

gogohmm · 31/12/2022 07:53

Has he checked with the rules for the navy and raf? They have different criteria.

I know several of DD's colleagues have had private mental health support and are officers

gogohmm · 31/12/2022 07:56

Another thought, if he likes the idea of the armed forces but can't join, why not become an engineer and work with the equipment, eg BAE systems have warship engineers, sometimes they even are on board sailing! They get paid more than the navy too. Might be the equivalent for tanks too

gogohmm · 31/12/2022 08:03

@pastacaring

Should add that Southampton and Portsmouth do the naval engineering courses, also aerospace, several of DD's classmates were head hunted straight into top jobs in military engineering, one is autistic which was no issues

Panic71 · 31/12/2022 10:33

FleasNavidad · 30/12/2022 23:46

"Maybe consider other options like RNLI"

I'm assuming the OPs son is looking for paid employment

Whilst studying the RNLI could be super experience

BungleandGeorge · 31/12/2022 11:36

@RogersOrganismicProcess but most people would find it much easier to deal with a stranger than someone they know? And a certain amount of that response is trained into you rather than arising innately. Mental health problems can arise as reactions to different circumstances. If a kid is bullied/ bereaved/ assaulted and suffers anxiety which resolves are they really a higher risk than someone who hasn’t had any significant adverse events? They’re probably a lower risk if they’ve developed coping strategies. This is why a clinician is needed to assess not a computer. I’m sure the training is designed with lots of mental health assessment but seems a shame to reject so easily as many won’t bother to appeal. With the current state of kids MH and increased diagnosis of MH and ND conditions I imagine the army may find it more difficult to recruit in future!

Shelefttheweb · 31/12/2022 12:10

Panic71 · 31/12/2022 10:33

Whilst studying the RNLI could be super experience

It would hugely limit where he could study if he had to live/work close enough to a station to support getting a boat launched within ten minutes of his pager going off (ie that is when the boat is put in the sea with people on it, not how long they have to get there).

NewspaperTaxis · 31/12/2022 12:55

Would love to know the reason why the Met police recruit known criminals 'despite' their criminal record. Don't need a million reasons, just a few will do. Oh, I know - they're 'incompetent', that's it...

Panic71 · 31/12/2022 13:37

Shelefttheweb · 31/12/2022 12:10

It would hugely limit where he could study if he had to live/work close enough to a station to support getting a boat launched within ten minutes of his pager going off (ie that is when the boat is put in the sea with people on it, not how long they have to get there).

Fair enough. Just an idea.

Yellowfinsole · 25/01/2023 13:02

Just to clear up some comments suggesting the 'TA' as an alternative. The Army Reserve has exactly the same medical and fitness standards as the regulars and you follow the same recruitment process.

From my experience the medical is the biggest hurdle to get over in the recruitment process for many people. Appeals can work and will be covered by the policies set down in the relevant rules, in this case JSP950 (which you can find via google). Its worth having a look at what this policy has to say in respect to your sons anxiety, a quick read contained the following:

"Even with a clear diagnosis of an anxiety disorder candidates may present with a history ranging from a single brief stress-related episode to a longstanding condition, seemingly more related to a vulnerable personality than to external stressors. In those cases where it is clear that the condition was brief and triggered by significant life stress then the candidate may be graded
FIT as long as they have been symptom and treatment-free for at least 1 year"

Good luck.