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How to deal with rude people on public transport with a Baby

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Mummy31x · 04/01/2022 13:04

I never learnt to drive when younger, live 5 mins from town and everything was accessible on foot or taxi easily. Before having a baby I realised that having a car is essential so booked and paid for lessons but only after 2 lessons there was covid lockdown.

I'm trying to learn now but there's a massive wait and will take time. So basically now I have to rely on public transport. Ive always used taxis in recent years but with a buggy I find it bit difficult, getting it out from the back of the taxi, assembling it again whilst holding the baby and other bags especially when getting dropped somewhere busy.

So Ive been using buses and 100% of the time I've come across rude people!

People who are sat where the buggy is supposed to go and aren't happy to move even when there's plenty of other seats. When they move they keep giving me dirty looks.

There are people who are sat in the seats right next to the buggy space and don't move. They aren't elderly or with luggage either. I dont have it in me to say can you move please (I have social anxiety and barely manage to get on the bus with people and don't wana get in conflict). I don't mind standing but on a longer journey where bus keeps stopping I feel like I'm in the way when standing. And it does bother me that why aren't they moving when they can see its causing someone difficulty and there's plenty seats.

I try to go out on times when I think bus will be nearly empty. Other day I got on the bus and another buggy came which there was enough space for both and it was fine. Then there was a driver change and he let 2 more buggies on. I moved my buggy to give them space and had to stand. Beacuse there was a woman sat on 1st seats next to the buggy area and had her bag on the other seat which she only moved for some man a while later.

So now there was 4 buggies and people who were getting on the bus had to go sideways to move down the bus so I had to say sorry to couple of people as I was standing. After a few stops the bus driver stopped the bus and looked at me out of all the other people with buggies and shouted that I need to rearrange the buggy or move it as people are having difficulty. I already feel anxious around people and his tone was so horrible. The first time I lost my patience and thought to myself I have to say something. I was so frustrated because he was the one who kept letting more people on with buggies. I was the 1st there and I was only one stood up after trying to be helpful. These other women (I'm not a racist, I'm not originally from England myself but im not rude. Them on the other hand didn't say thanks or acknowledge what the driver was saying, on top of it they just kept staring at me). I said to him there's no space beacuse you let more buggies on. He didnt like that and said well 1 of them can get off meaning me and goes there's no need for the attitude. I said there's nowhere I can possibly move my buggy and why would I get off. Meanwhile some random woman on the bus goes why don't u collapse ur buggy and make it easy for everyone else which made me even more angry because it was not her business why was she picking on me. Also how can I do that with a young baby with nowhere to sit then reassemble the buggy before getting off and why don't any1 else do that if necessary whose kids are bit older and can sit on a seat. Anyway he drove off and i felt like everyone was just looking at me. At every stop he would tell people sorry can't let u on "too many things on the bus already". Then he let some people on and kept apologising to them and they kept moaning. I felt so uncomfortable and miserable that I decided to get off the bus way before my stop.

I am now scared to get on the buses and its made my anxiety even worse. It can't just be me who thinks people are so rude on buses.

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Prolapsy · 04/01/2022 20:00

Some mum’s have birth injuries which mean they can’t use a sling, or carry anything heavy, for a long while after birth. It’s quite unreasonable to expect them to fold up a pram while carrying a heavy baby. And I don’t think most umbrella folds are meant for young babies anyway are they? (Might be wrong). I’ve had a few difficult moments on London buses with my pram, and it’s not great but you do sort of just need to get on with it (…unless you want to stay home forever :(). The big problem is the transport system not being set up properly, don’t even get me started on train stations with stairs and no lift! Having a baby in London really made me realise how little the transport system is set up for anyone with any additional physical needs/wheelchair users etc.

Snowiscold · 04/01/2022 20:01

I’m a bit baffled by the posts about “where do you put the baby down” if it’s in a sling. You don’t. That’s the whole point. Why would you?

FKATondelayo · 04/01/2022 20:10

I think it's best to think of going on public transport with a baby as a kind of hazing ritual or character building exercise. To bring up a kid to adulthood you need a lot of assertiveness and confidence, to get out of your comfort zone and to get used to talking to and asking things of strangers. You need a plan A, B & C for every journey and eventuality. How are you going to raise a London teenager if you can't take a buggy on a London bus?

This is why older mums seem unsympathetic and unkind to buggy-on-bus newbies. You just have to go through it. Nobody is going to suddenly make public transport super comfortable and easy and nice for mums and babies unfortunately.

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Soubriquet · 04/01/2022 20:14

I used to have to use a bus when I had dd.

I used to take the carry cot/sitting part off the frame, place her on the seat, collapse the frame and then sit next to her and hold the seat. That worked well.

I do remember once queuing to get on (I was the first in line), and two old ladies pushed by, ignored the accessible seating and went and say straight in the buggy park with a smug expression on their faces. Confused

I parked in the wheelchair space, and would have (and have done), moved if wheelchair needed to get on.

kikisparks · 04/01/2022 20:17

@Puffalicious but I don’t want to pay for another pram, I spent enough on this one. I assumed I could just go on the bus if there were no other prams on the bus and no wheelchair user and get off if there was a wheelchair user who needed the space. I’m still not sure why that’s not an acceptable option.

RedCandyApple · 04/01/2022 20:19

[quote kikisparks]@Puffalicious but I don’t want to pay for another pram, I spent enough on this one. I assumed I could just go on the bus if there were no other prams on the bus and no wheelchair user and get off if there was a wheelchair user who needed the space. I’m still not sure why that’s not an acceptable option.[/quote]
Is it, this is MN no one in the the real world folds their pram on an empty bus.

kikisparks · 04/01/2022 20:22

@RedCandyApple thanks that’s how I thought it would work, makes sense to me.

chineybumps · 04/01/2022 20:23

@kikisparks

Out of interest my pram is an icandy peach and the carrycot is so massive it actually takes up more space folded down as you’ve then got the huge carry cot section and the base. Is it just the case that this kind of pram can’t be used on public transport? I don’t have a car and wouldn’t feel comfortable only having a sling when out on my own with nowhere to put the baby down.
Don't listen to MN users lol as RedCandyApple says, no one folds their buggy down in the real world. There's no type of buggy that's banned from public transport and of course you're able to bring your buggy on the bus.

I have a nice, chunky Kinderkraft buggy and I've never folded it down and never will tbh. It's so rare a wheelchair user comes on the bus and if they did, I'd simply get off. All these comments about folding down a buggy makes no sense.

I don't drive and I'm about to have two under one. I'll be bringing my double buggy on the bus very happily🙂

Thesearmsofmine · 04/01/2022 20:24

[quote kikisparks]@Puffalicious but I don’t want to pay for another pram, I spent enough on this one. I assumed I could just go on the bus if there were no other prams on the bus and no wheelchair user and get off if there was a wheelchair user who needed the space. I’m still not sure why that’s not an acceptable option.[/quote]
It is an acceptable option but really when buying a pram and knowing you have to use public transport it would be good research this kind of thing. Nothing worse than having to get off a bus in the pouring rain and wind or snow with a baby and having to wait 30 minutes for the next one to come along not knowing if it will have space for you.
By the time baby is 6 months you will probably have swapped to a small lightweight pushchair anyway, I don’t know many who used their travel system long term.

chineybumps · 04/01/2022 20:25

Some mum’s have birth injuries which mean they can’t use a sling, or carry anything heavy, for a long while after birth.

I was going to comment the exact same thing. Loads of mum's have really bad backs too. It's so unrealistic for them to just use a sling and get on with it

gogohm · 04/01/2022 20:25

There's no buggy space, it's a wheelchair space and buggy's can use it if no wheelchair needs it. Buggy's are expected to be folded at busy times or if a wheelchair gets on - that's the rules, the driver was right in saying you mustn't block aisles with buggy's

RedCandyApple · 04/01/2022 20:25

People on here think prams shouldn’t be on buses at all so you can’t really listen to the comments on here as they don’t reflect real life, I never had any issues getting my pram on the bus, I hate umbrella strollers and find them a pain to push, there tiny wheels are horrible over uneven surfaces, I also couldn’t get on with slings and found them uncomfortable not gonna wear one because some randomer on MN thinks I should.

gogohm · 04/01/2022 20:28

By the way there was no buggy spaces when I had little ones, I folded my double buggy and carried the youngest with the older's reins through my wrist, very hard work and bashed my shins every time climbing the steps (no flat entry)

Soubriquet · 04/01/2022 20:28

@gogohm

There's no buggy space, it's a wheelchair space and buggy's can use it if no wheelchair needs it. Buggy's are expected to be folded at busy times or if a wheelchair gets on - that's the rules, the driver was right in saying you mustn't block aisles with buggy's
Actually, buses around here have a wheelchair space and a buggy space separate

It can’t be used a wheelchair space as there’s no backrest to secure the wheelchair

RedCandyApple · 04/01/2022 20:28

I live in London, buses are not every 30 mins, I have 3 buses outside my front door that I can get on to the town centre and they are average 8-10 mins wait, but that’s a choice of 3, so never wait more than a few minutes, No one folds their buggy when there is space to get one and if there wasn’t I would just wait for the next.

chineybumps · 04/01/2022 20:29

@RedCandyApple

People on here think prams shouldn’t be on buses at all so you can’t really listen to the comments on here as they don’t reflect real life, I never had any issues getting my pram on the bus, I hate umbrella strollers and find them a pain to push, there tiny wheels are horrible over uneven surfaces, I also couldn’t get on with slings and found them uncomfortable not gonna wear one because some randomer on MN thinks I should.
Defo agree with this😂 I hate the little flimsy wheels so much and I couldn't tell you why! No issue with bringing any type of buggy on the bus at all tbh
chineybumps · 04/01/2022 20:30

and having to wait 30 minutes for the next one to come along not knowing if it will have space for you.

Wow. 30mins. And I get annoyed when I go the bus stop and see the next bus is in 4mins lol

RedCandyApple · 04/01/2022 20:31

Exactly, those umbrella strollers are awful to push, the tiny horrible wheels, even with the swivel wheels on they are hard to turn. My icandy peach goes easily along the bumpy roads and can even push it with one hand something I can’t do with an umbrella stroller.

Abcdefgottago · 04/01/2022 20:33

There ARE pram only spaces on some buses. I live in a UK city on which the double decker buses have two designated sides with fold down seats. On the left is a wheelchair space, sign says so, which prams are permitted to use if empty - but must be vacated if needed for a wheelchair.

On the right is a buggy space - clearly signposted for buggies only. Wheelchairs are not permitted to use it (no required backrest). There's space for 3 prams - no folding required.

It's important to know that bus designs & services can vary by network and city / and not assume that all buses have a wheelchair only space in which prams aren't welcome. Prams are very much welcomed in my city in the UK, and I for one have been very grateful for this.

chineybumps · 04/01/2022 20:34

Yep same! I see comments on here saying buggies such as a yoyo buggy is the best for living in the city but I much prefer my chunky buggy with the big wheels lol. I'm currently on the hunt for a double buggy that's as sturdy as possible😁 I guess it's different strokes for different folks ey

Soubriquet · 04/01/2022 20:38

Get a out n about 360 for a double! It’s a fab pushchair. Can be pushed one handed and even though it’s a side by side pushchair, it will fit through most single doorways

chineybumps · 04/01/2022 21:04

I'm personally not a fan of the three wheeler buggies but thank you @Soubriquet for the suggestion!

OddSocksSparklyDocsandDungaree · 04/01/2022 21:41

The bus drivers don't exactly wait that long either and get funny if someone's taking a long time to get sorted because it causes delays.

Bus drivers are on VERY tight schedules as it is, without traffic and people faffing around with prams etc. Quite often, drivers have a reduced lunch because they were in late from their route.

OddSocksSparklyDocsandDungaree · 04/01/2022 21:43

@gogohm

By the way there was no buggy spaces when I had little ones, I folded my double buggy and carried the youngest with the older's reins through my wrist, very hard work and bashed my shins every time climbing the steps (no flat entry)
@gogohm Yes! I have two siblings. Oldest walked on, middle was held by reins and the youngest crawled on whilst my Mum heaved the pram on :D
Puffalicious · 04/01/2022 22:50

Kikisparks it was a suggestion, not an instruction! By all means use your bigger buggy, lots do, but it is far easier with a different buggy. You can get sturdy, non umbrella ones that are one handed and so easy. I bought my Baby Jogger 2nd hand for bus days/ running/ forests, for walks/ school run etc I used my bigger pram. If the bus was empty/ quiet/ no other buggies of course I didn't fold then.

You, of course, can do as you please, but as other PP said I wouldn't fancy getting off in the pouring rain/ making me late etc. You're very defensive!

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