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DP wanting to take baby out without me

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roseroses · 31/10/2021 10:20

Baby is 4 weeks old. A few times DP has mentioned taking him out without me. Example today he wants to take him to his brothers, I suggested he calls in here instead but it's just caused a bit of a row. I am not ready to be separated from him and I have explained this to DP but he seems to think I'm being ott. It's not that I don't trust him, I do 100% and he's great with the baby but I just don't see why he seems to want to take him places without me so much, there's been a few occasions where he has wanted to. He says he wants to be able to parent him without me 'hovering around' all the time. He keeps asking how long before I will allow him to do this, I really can't give an answer to that. Am I being ott?

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milissa · 31/10/2021 14:21

Wow, appalled by some of the comments on here. Utterly bizarre to suggest a father needs to be 50% co parenting at 4 weeks, that mum should take the break and this is why children end up the responsibility of women..!

A baby will get zero benefit going out without mum at 4 weeks unless mum is unwell and needs the time for her physical or mental well-being in which case that's different. It's normal to want to be with your baby at 4 weeks. It would be weird if you didn't.

I echo the poster saying English culture seems to favour separating small babies from mothers early on and I don't support that. Going to unwatch this thread now despite posting as I fear the rage other replies may cause within me 😑

TableFlowerss · 31/10/2021 14:21

@MurkyGloom

YANBU. It’s a biological fact that up until approximately 28 days ago, your baby was physically part of your body. I certainly didn’t want to be away from mine at that age. I needed him to be near and I have no issues saying it.

For the record, his father has a great relationship with him and as I was the primary carer, I obviously did have a different and greater bond initially. If the father of your child decides to withdraw from parenting because you want your tiny baby close, then you have a DP problem in a major way.

As for the arguments about feminism, 1930s and 50% ‘ownership’ of a baby, I have this to say. Feminism should support, not undermine women. The OP knows that she wants her baby close to her. It’s the opposite of feminism to say that she’s wrong and that she should ignore her feelings (based on biology I might add) and let the father make himself happy. Secondly, in the 1930s, if the baby was born in a hospital, it would have been brought to visit it’s mother regularly but primarily cared for by someone else for approximately a week. After that, once they got home, baby would have to fit into father’s lifestyle. House would have to be cleaned, food cooked, shopping done, laundry done and after a long day at work, the man would expect everything to be nice and peaceful. These days, when you give birth, you keep your baby with you. You do skin to skin, feed on demand, co-sleep (keep your baby beside your bed at least), breastfeeding is promoted, baby psychology studied, etc. All of these things are for the benefit of the baby, not the parents. It doesn’t bloody matter how much DNA you contributed, baby comes first. So, who’s needs are met by the father taking the baby to his brother’s house? Baby’s needs? No. Mother’s needs? No. Father’s needs? Yes! A resounding success for feminism.

1930’s in the sense the dad wouldn’t be involved of the day to day card at all. He worked, mum stared at home caring for the kids.

It’s instinct you protect your child of course, but protect them from the man op chose to father her child? Come on now…..

TableFlowerss · 31/10/2021 14:21

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Staryflight445 · 31/10/2021 14:23

Exactly what @AvocadoOrange said. The questions such as ‘do you ask dad permission to take your child out?’ Confuse me. Women have a different bond to their child than men do. Babies are comforted by mum in so many ways, regulated heartbeat, mums scent etc.
Dads are great but mum carried, gave birth etc and feels more physical attachment to a baby.

Some of you need to give your head a wobble.

Rainbowheart1 · 31/10/2021 14:23

That’s interesting @AvocadoOrange this baby is not breast fed, can you explain why a baby is best with a mother?

And Does that still stand if the mother is cruel and not nurturing whilst the father is?

Bellyups · 31/10/2021 14:25

My baby didn’t go anywhere without me until about 8 weeks. YANBU. Personally, I think 4 weeks is too young to be away from mum.

takenforgrantednana · 31/10/2021 14:25

@PlanDeRaccordement

I'm starting to understand why some once involved dad's start checking out of parenting now.

Agree. Many of the posters saying its “natural” and “instinct” that “baby needs mum” are the same posters who have complained ad nauseum on MN about their partners not pulling their weight with their DCs.

I think I understand now more than ever, that they truly created that situation for themselves by adhering to the outdated sexist belief that mother is best for baby and baby is unsafe if not with mummy 24/7. If you sideline the other parent from day 1, they’re going to stop trying to coparent and leave you to it.

Then you reap what you sow in terms of by being sole carer, the baby then has no bond with father or less of a bond...which then leads to you deciding to take more time of work or only work PT...because baby wants you, not dad. Baby wants you because you made it so by being sole carer for newborn stage. It’s not due to mothers being inherently different or better for baby. You did it to yourself.

100% agree on all points
Fetarabbit · 31/10/2021 14:26

@PlanDeRaccordement

Interesting how the man is being painted as the poor hard done by one having to be away from home to financially fend for the family, when he knew what he was getting into and in most cases could have found something else if it was that important to him to be home all of the time.

He is hard done by in terms of time available to bond with the baby. And I think it is laughable that you think “if it were important to him” he could have “found something else” to be “home all of the time”. There is no job on the planet that pays you to be home all of the time not working. How do you expect them to survive on OPs maternity pay alone?

And if OP had said she’s on maternity leave but they have no money because her DH has decided he wants to be a SAHD because “it’s important to him to be home all of the time” Everyone here would be rightly saying he’s a useless cocklodger.

Home all the time as in home in the evening and then leaves for work in the morning rather than living away somewhere else for the entire week, quite a difference, no?

Yes @KurtWildeWitchOfTheWoods, seen as its not the reality for some who live away from home for work- not an assumption or guesswork, from the horses mouths.

Fetarabbit · 31/10/2021 14:27

@Rainbowheart1

I don’t think men are painted as being hard done by, by having to go to work to provide for the family, in fact I think it’s quite the opposite. Seems now it’s the best/easiest/most stable/grass is greener thing to do, being as so many women now go back to work once maternity leave is finished. Some women even share their maternity leave with the other parent too. I don’t think women think they are hard done by, I think women think, “well I want that too”.

Even women know that whilst money doesn’t bring happiness, it certainly brings choice!

Do many mothers work away during the week and live elsewhere Monday to Friday when they go back to work?
Staryflight445 · 31/10/2021 14:28

Gosh, some of you are kinder to puppies and kittens than you are a newborn human being.
They get at least 7 weeks with their mum.

endofagain · 31/10/2021 14:28

I hadn't spotted the posts about not feeding.

TBH, I don't think it matters whether the mother is breast feeding or not. Yes, of course the carer will be able to give the baby a feed, but from my experience as a midwife, I do believe that there is a biological programming in new mothers that makes keeping their baby close very, very important.
If a new mum is going to feel anxious at being separated from her 4 week old baby, IMO, nobody should be insisting that this has to happen.
I would go so far as to consider this a question of a man's wants over a woman's needs. It is unkind and unnecessary at this stage. There will be loads of time and opportunities for dad to take baby out on his own in a few weeks time when OP feels more relaxed.

Fetarabbit · 31/10/2021 14:28

@Staryflight445

Gosh, some of you are kinder to puppies and kittens than you are a newborn human being. They get at least 7 weeks with their mum.
Men and their needs and more important, always.
endofagain · 31/10/2021 14:28

Not breast feeding I meant.

CheltenhamLady · 31/10/2021 14:29

I really don't get this, yes, your baby is 4 weeks old but presuming your partner is capable, caring and responsible, then I can't see an issue.

TableFlowerss · 31/10/2021 14:29

@Staryflight445

Gosh, some of you are kinder to puppies and kittens than you are a newborn human being. They get at least 7 weeks with their mum.
Hmm
ThirdElephant · 31/10/2021 14:30

I'm on your side here, OP. Why does he need to take the baby out without you at all? You only get to see the man for two days a week- shouldn't those two days be family time with both of you and your newborn?

KurtWildeWitchOfTheWoods · 31/10/2021 14:31

@Staryflight445

Gosh, some of you are kinder to puppies and kittens than you are a newborn human being. They get at least 7 weeks with their mum.
We're taking dad taking baby out for a couple of hours ffs. Stop being so dramatic.
Nsmum14 · 31/10/2021 14:32

I understand how you are feeling. It isn't about not trusting dad's abilities as a parent, or wanting to control him, it is about not wanting to be separated from your baby. I had that with my first. I don't think it is that odd a thing.
I would reasurre your husband that it is simply a need to have the baby close while baby is so so tiny. This will pass, and you will be more than glad to have a break at some point. Why force things. He will have all the time in the world to do stuff alone with the baby once your separation anxiety passes.

Staryflight445 · 31/10/2021 14:32

I know right. Some women be fighting for them to be equal.
@Fetarabbit

Where’s the equal men to women ratio when women are throwing their guts up with morning sickness, going through pregnancy/ birth trauma eh?

It’s so pathetic

TableFlowerss · 31/10/2021 14:32

Men and their needs and more important, always

It’s not about men and their needs, it’s about babies and being allowed to bond with both parents who both love their child. It’s not a competition and the navy is the prize. They should work together….

TableFlowerss · 31/10/2021 14:33

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Fetarabbit · 31/10/2021 14:33

@TableFlowerss

*Men and their needs and more important, always*

It’s not about men and their needs, it’s about babies and being allowed to bond with both parents who both love their child. It’s not a competition and the navy is the prize. They should work together….

So he can't bond unless he gets his own way? Seems like be doesn't want to work together and is just fussed about himself to be honest.
KurtWildeWitchOfTheWoods · 31/10/2021 14:34

Where’s the equal men to women ratio when women are throwing their guts up with morning sickness, going through pregnancy/ birth trauma eh?

Erm. You do know men can't get pregnant right? It's a biology thing.

TableFlowerss · 31/10/2021 14:34

@Staryflight445

I know right. Some women be fighting for them to be equal. *@Fetarabbit*

Where’s the equal men to women ratio when women are throwing their guts up with morning sickness, going through pregnancy/ birth trauma eh?

It’s so pathetic

Again, another example of people missing the point that it’s about the child and their best interests….
Rainbowheart1 · 31/10/2021 14:34

It’s not fighting for them to be equal, it’s fighting for us, women, to be equal.

I don’t understand about the morning sickness thing, that doesn’t make sense to me.

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