Vaccination - do you or don't you?

[lisalisa]

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Socci, I'm not sure actually. I didn't know to ask at the time. I can't read the writing in his red book but I think it begins with M. I do know that on his second visit I told the nurse how ill he'd been and she said she wouldn't give him the same one again just in case. The ones after that are listed as Infarix? Is that right? I'm afraid the writing is truly awful!

When I had my first dd 7 years ago she had all the usual baby vaccines. I was a young mum, didn't know anything about them and didn't have mumsnet to help me be more aware. She is fine though.

When I had dd2 earlier this year I researched as much as I could about the vaccines. She has had them all but she had Infanrix(DTaP) rather than the DTP. It was fairly easy for us to get that as we're in Scotland and in Scotland if a person asks for Infanrix they have to give it to the person. That's not to say they didn't try to talk me into the DTP. The first two vaccinations she had were Infanrix the last one was the 5 in 1 jab as they had introduced that and sent all the Infanrix back and it was either the 5 in 1 or nothing. We went with the 5 in 1 because it doesn't have the thimerosol (sp?). Babies born now get the 5 in 1. Exactly the same amount of vaccines that they were getting originally but there is inactivated polio and no thimerosol. Of course the governments take on this was that they were taking the thimerosol out because it didn't work with the inactivated polio, not because thousands of parents all over the world believe that thiomersil caused their children damage.

I am all for vaccinations I just wish the government were more truthfull on the subject.

I saw the advert for the programme next week on MMR. The MMR is the next Vaccine that dd2 will get. Dd1 had it and was fine but I did swither for a while on whether or not she should have it. In the end, with stories from my granny about her neighbour having been left blind after contracting measles ringing in my ears, dd1 got her MMR. She was 14 months when she got it, but this time around I'd like to wait until dd2 is at least 18 months before she gets it as I've heard that it's better to wait until they are older. Wonder if I'll have to put up much of a fight for that one.

thanks Jim jams. Thanks for your answer on the schools thread.. I think that a happy independant life is what we all hope for for our kids. I do hope that you are sucessful. Having just spent the lst hr looking at the vax thread, I can see what your problems are and have genuine sympathy for you.
It seems that my sister's eilipelsy was caused by injuries caused by a forceps delivery. Her son's dev delay was caused by the delay in getting him out as it were, as they decided against forceps, but had a shoudler dystocia. Healthcare, eh. Can't live with it, can't live without it!
As far a vax my litte boy, he had 2 of the dtps, then I read about mercury so he's had nothing else so far.
He cried for 5 days after the first one and 7 days after the second. I just can't go through with another one...
ahy do they need 3 anyway?
He's booked in for a bcg at 14 months, I think this is good as I have met people with TB in my job and locally there is a TB problem. But MMR?? I just don't know..
getting late now so can't really think any more. Thanks to all the posters here, it is good to see another thread that is full of reasonable people having different opinions

Hi pixel I wonder about fillings too. I think the main problem with them is when work is being done on them iyswim. I had a dodgy dentist when pregnant with ds1- and he fiddled with a mercury filling. Didn't do much- just added some glass stuff on top but I wonder whether he did a botch job as it still hurts 5 years later.

DS1 certainly had sensory problems from early on, regressed further after an illness at 11 months (which he wouldn't have got if he hadn't had eczema- which started right after vaccinaton). My view (which is partly based on research partly gut instinct) is that some children are more fragile than others- clearly in our family (and yours!) there is a genetic predisposition to autism and so the less interference given to our children the better. I was gutted when ds2 needed antibiotics at 6 weeks, but that was the only medical intervention he had in the first 2 years of his life (apart from homeopathy and calpol on the rare occasions his temp went above 40). We'll take the same approach with ds3.

There are tests you can do to look at mercury levels etc I wouldn't worry much about it being excreted in breast milk except at the time any dental work was being done. Just because I would imagine at any other time the benefits of bfeeding would outweigh the risks.

pixel type metallothionein and autism (and Walsh) into google. You'll get a lot more info on mercury and autism. You might get a more accurate answer than I have given as well.

Pixel, as JimJams said there are tests to determine the mercury level. There is at least one well-known doctor here in the states who does mercury detox therapy on autism. Her name is Stephanie Cave, MD. I mentioned her book earlier in the thread. I don't remember everything she does exactly, but she does go into detail about it in the book with case stories, etc.

Sorry that should read:
"who does mercury detox therapy on autistic children"

Thanks a lot. I googled the things you mentioned and had a quick glance but I think it will take me a while to read through it (and even longer to understand it!)so I will wait till I have more time.

Anyone see the piece on Andrew Wakefield's research in The Sunday Times? Apparently there is a Dispatches on it this week (Thurs 9pm Ch 4), disclosing the fact that nine months before making his comments about MMR being unsafe, he had patented an alternative vaccination (and would therefore benefit from MMR being undermined), and, more pertinently, that his research was commissioned by the solicitors suing the vaccination company. So not exactly impartial.

I still think there needs to be long-term, publicly funded research into this issue, but thought it was interesting to see how when you look behind the surface of these things, suddenly it's all a very murky picture.