Vaccination - do you or don't you?

[lisalisa]

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But, that's just it. Which takes presedence? My interest in my child, or the government's interrest in the population as a whole. Evidently, the government thinks their job takes priority. I beg to differ!

I am am not presenting this as conclusive evidence that vaccines are bad. Just pointing out that the choice belongs to me, not the NHS.

I agree with Uwila.

I think vaccination damages the immunity of the whole of society and for that reason I think it is criminal to vaccinate anyone.... there I said it -....

Can't quite believe I typed that !.... but on the whole that's how I feel !

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And I do think along those lines it has to be said. Not sure criminal is the right word, maybe naive.
However criminal it is when they don't research the vaccines sufficiently,independantly and without keeping records or reporting ill effects from the jabs, in the firsy place.

Apolgies for typos.

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dd1 has had all vacs except MMR booster. dd2 has had baby jabs and thats it. I am going to get her MMR done soon, but again she probably wont have the booster.

Socci, my H.V didn't record ANY batch numbers and when i realised i was furious!!!
I rang and asked and got left a message with what dd had had, Names NOT batch numbers again!!!!

Hi Socci,

DS had a swelling on his leg after his first immunisations. It was quite hard but definitely localised. It was nearly gone when I went back for the 2nd batch. A friend of mine had this happen to her dd as well. I don't think this is a problem, just be careful when changing nappies etc not to press on it as it might be a little tender.

i dont think that the govt needs for societies children to be vaccinated and my decision to vaccinate my child are wildly different. i want my child not to die as a result of a disease which could be stopped by a vaccine. the govt doesnt want an outbreak of preventable disease whilst it is in office as this would be bad publicity - never mind the deaths ( the govt can ignore these i fear) however i still think this growing trend to not vaccinate children will leave a terrible legacy on the children of the future

how much do single vacs cost? and is there an alturnative to the new 5 in 1 jab?

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I think in many cases the Buddhist belief of following "the Middle Way" is appropriate. I do believe that children are vaccinated too often, too many at a time, and too early. But, when it came right down to it, I didn't have the guts to go completely vaccs free. Now, if there were prior indication that my child was at a higher risk than usual, I wouldn't have had any at all for him, such as in JimJams case. As it was, we have proceeded at a thoughtful, cautionary pace and I feel sure we will not do the entire program. But, I do want to emphasize, with two family members who suffer from lifelong damage due to diseases (German measles, polio) which can now be prevented through successful vaccination, one can't help but think that the mass immunization program has done some good.

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Well basically as I typed below :
Despite the immediate or medium term adverse effect that you can get from vaccination, do any of you worry about the impact on overall health of an adult when it was injected several substances (i think it is 32 now) in a small body? Do you feel it has no long term impact on your immune system ? Does it not affect your body in dealing with other health concerns if you have "fiddled" with your original immune system ?

Like the abuse of antibiotics, the use of vaccination is basically saying to your body.... you can't deal with this so here you go something to help you.

It's a bit like the vitamin K debate for babies.... why would babies bodies need extra vit K ? Yes babies have very little vit K at birth, there must a reason for that... what is the long term effect is adding a big quantity of the substance in a tiny baby?

To be honest the short term effects of vaccination is sad but the it is I believe the tip of the iceberg (the visible bit!), I am worried about the overuse of medicine in general and people's lack of understanding and lack of management of their bodies/health... relying too quickly on 2 paracetamols, lempsip and some antibiotics... there I said ut again!

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I definitely agree that the major drug companies have heavily influenced policy in the US on vaccinations. For a good example, just look at the Hepatitis B vaccine. That was not initially intended to be given to newborns, nor is it necessary unless the mother is positive for it. But, after heavy lobbying, guess what happened...

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It's scary alright. How about if we let confectioners research nutrition? Hmmm.

Hmm .. missed this one .. not like me at all

OK I'm pro-vaccination but I'm a pain in the neck (as a number of people here know) about researching what my children get and making the best decision at the time so

DS had DTwP (because I knew no better) and sepvax MMR (still waiting for mumps since Sept 02) .. as for pre-school boosters we're avoiding them so far

DD had infanrix (DTaP) after a lengthy battle .. and thanks to mumsnet helping draft a killer letter .. she will probably have sepvax too

If you want info about local Sepvax private clinics www.jabs.org is the best source

HTH

It's taken me ages to read through this thread!

When I took my 2 for their jabs I was never asked about family medical history and even if I had been I wouldn't have had anything to tell them. Dh is adopted so no info there and the only thing I could mention about my side of the family is my sister's childhood epilepsy. There would have been no indication that my children could be more at risk than others.

Now I am convinced that my ds's autism was 'triggered' by vaccines. He had a terrible reaction to his first jabs at 8 weeks but I believed the advice from the doctor that it was quite common - I had no reason not to. I had no idea that the vaccines contained so many toxins. I only knew what we were told at school about them being a weakened version of the illness which the body could fight and produce antibodies. I find my ignorance shocking now but I only had advice from the hv etc to go by - I'd never even been on the internet!

Ds had seperate MMR because at the time we were starting to be aware that he had problems (but not the extent of them)and thought that we were minimising the risks as much as possible whilst still believing in vaccination. Now I have more knowledge I wish he had gone completely without.

Quick question for Jimjams. Earlier you mentioned breastfeeding Ds2 longer to give him more protection. This was partly the reason I fed my Ds for 3 years. I felt that if I couldn't do anything else to help him I could at least do that. However I'm now torturing myself because I had a load of fillings just before his first birthday (I had no idea the dentist was going to do so many and was so appalled I haven't been back there since)and have been thinking that the mercury got into him through my breastmilk. It was after this that he began to regress and I wonder if it was just the final straw on top of the vaccines.

Sorry I'm rambling - to the question. If I were to have another baby would I pose a risk in this way by breastfeeding? I still have the fillings. Would the risk outweigh the benefits of protection from diseases?

This may be a daft question and I have just got the wrong end of the stick but it is something I have been thinking about lately.

i've just seen a trail for Dispatches next week on the MMR, i wonder if they are going to argue that it is awful that fewer parents are opting for it...or whether they have evidence of it's damaging effects...either way it is on at 9pm next thurs...

Sorry, just realised I didn't answer the original question! Well, I used to be completely FOR vaccination and dd had all hers but part of me now thinks she was lucky to 'get away with it'.

Now... well if I had another child it wouldn't have any vaccinations but that doesn't mean I am against them in principle. If only the medical profession/government could be trusted to be more honest. If I could only be sure that they REALLY have our best interests at heart and aren't just interested in lining the pockets of drug companies. If I didn't have the feeling that they KNOW that vaccines pose a risk to some children but can't admit it because they can't afford to be sued on such a huge scale (and anyway believe that sacrificing a few kids is worth it to protect the majority)

I could go on but I won't. Do I sound cynical? Probably but then I'm bringing up a child who was no different to any other for the first year of his life but now has autism and severe learning difficulties.