Vaccination - do you or don't you?

[lisalisa]

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meant to say that the patient would also get a course of antibiotics to cover all sorts of organisms, tetanus included.

Uwila, I think the reason they give the individual jabs in separate legs (and note down which went where, plus batch nos.) is so that if there is a localised reaction (swelling, lumps etc.), they can track down which vaccine caused it.

We had this with dd2 -- developed a small (non-painful) pea-sized lump in her thigh from one of the jabs (forget which). Knowing which one it was meant they could swap legs for the next set and avoid aggravating it.

With the 5-in-one vaccine, it will be a single unit, so the issue doesn't arise.

Lisalisa,
I just tried a quick search for single jabs in London (not sure where you are). The doctorcall website mentions single jabs, but didn't see pertussis specifically mentioned (in fact,I don't even know what that is). I just sent an e-mail to the below address. I'll let you know what they say, or you may wish to contact them yourself.

[email protected]

Also, we go to Dr. Eden at the St. Elizabeth and St. John in St. Johs Wood for single MMR jabs. They might offer a single alternative to the 5-in-1 (there is certainly a market for it thanks to the NHS policies). You can find them on www.e-med.co.uk.

pertussis is whooping cough

Right. Have to talk to me in laymen terms, I gues. Now, that was mentioned on doctorcall website. But, still don't know about the composition of the jab.

lisalisa- glutamate is just an amino acid. I haven't looked into it in great detail but I think there are different forms. (may not be- just may be the quantity that's important). Anyway ds1 avoids MSG (monosodium glutamate- also called flavour enhancer) and gelatine because of the gutamate. He also avoids aspartame but I can't remember whether that's die to glutamate or just because its toxic! He'll still be getting glutamate form other proteins- but less - or maybe its a different form. I need to look into the glutamate stuff more- been meaning to for the last 6 months!

it's not related to gluten.

I always remember adverse vaccination reactions!

We're not going with the 5 in 1's as there is a possible link between autoimmunity and multiple vaccination. Also the only jab I would want my children to have is tetanus anyway, so I'm not giving them an extra 4 just to get that. Single tetanus isn't an option now - and even if there are a few odd batches lying around somewhere they contain thimerosil. So no thanks! In the great scheme of autism things though I suspect the new 5 in 1's are safer than injecting thimerosil. Work in the states has shown that 99% of people with autism have problems with their metallothionein proteins- proteins involved in the transport of heavy metals. Thimerosil started to be removed from US shots a number of years ago, and it looks as if numbers of new cases of autism are beginning to drop as well (the rise in cases mirrored the increase in thimerosil being given). They may have identified the biggest culprit. They won't be admitting it though!

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Lisalisa, you asked about single jabs for the DPT etc. I haven't pursued that route but my GP offered them to me for my ds, given our family history. Said they could be ordered. I didn't follow it through though so I'm not sure exactly what ds would be given if we took that route. Next time I'm at the GP I'll ask him as I'm now intrigued myself.

Lisalisa interesting about the non vaccinated kids and improved health theory. Wou;d be good if they did research this, but I doubt they will?
We visit the homeopath and never heard of vacs used.
We obtain constitutional remedies in pill form for our DS.

I often here people say to me that this vaccine safety debate doesn't exist in the states like it does here in the UK (I am American so I have plenty of discussion about children with other American family and friends).

So, this is interesting.

DPT

Lisalisa,
This website says they offer a whooping cough vac. Any good to you?

on this thread I have a link to a US radio show that looks at thimerosil in vaccinations. It's a very interesting show- and talks a lot about the effect the use of thimerosil will have on the US economy! It does talk about the UK as well- describes the UK vax schedule as the worst in the world for thimerosil (this was before the change) and gives some interesting info about andy Wakefield and the GB govt.

Portee - when were you offered those? According to jabs the single tetanus etc was withdrawn a few months ago.

lisalisa- what age are you talking about? Pertussis is very nasty in very young infants (the original form- the mutated form seems less vicious) but isn't really a problem in toddlers plus- lasts a long time- but not a killer once past early babyhood. DS2 was exposed several times as a 4 month old (I was being a bit dozy!) and didn't get it. Funnily enough he was exposed via my friend's 4 children who all had it (her youngest 2 were about 11 months at the time). When we were kids my friend had whooping cough and despite playing with her when I was off school with measles I didn't get it. It's the old homeopathic idea of susceptability.

Lisalisa,

Response from Doctor Eden below:

From: Dr J Eden [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 11 November 2004 14:00
To: Uwila
Subject: Re: 5-in-1 single jabs

No...not really....it is sometimes such a hassle getting stock of these vaccines...so we're just sticking to this now!

Reagrds
e-med

Jimjams, was offered single jabs at ds's 8 week check, so that was 10 months ago.

Think its been officially withdrawn since then Portee (with the introduction of the 5 in 1)

Thanks Portee I think its been officially withdrawn since then Portee (with the introduction of the 5 in 1)

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That's really tricky lisalisa. I have a friend whose dd is the same. She has vaccinated but now wishes she hasn't as her dd has been seriously ill after every single one.

I would visit a (good) homeopath- they will be able to give a lot of advice. Some homeopaths use remedies to kind of vaccinate. Most don't but would give a remedy if there was a definite exposure (we did this with ds2 after his whooping cough exposure- he didn't get it). I keep nosodes (like homeopathic vax) for all the common chilhood illnesses at home in case of exposure.

Okay, I'm definitely not pro-vacc but did want to point out that Barbara Loe Fisher's son was damaged by the DTP not the DTaP. I have wondered if they are still giving the whole perussis vacc in the UK as they are not in the US anymore.

As I've mentioned before, I have really struggled with this and we have done a very late, more spread out schedule. I still get almost sick with worry any time ds does get a jab.

There is a really great book by Stephanie Cave, MD called "What your doctor may not tell you about vaccinations" It's really up to date and discusses not only the mercury (thimerosol) issue but the problems with multiple vaccs and the other things such as aluminum and formaldehyde that are in vaccs.

That's pertussis

lisalisa if you look here you'll find info and a homeopath that specialises both in treating children that have had vaccines and non-vaccinated children

Lisalisa, What about the single vax for Whoopin Cough?

Oh I hope this doesn't make me a thread killer.

I haven't heard of that one. Is it just in the UK?

i have had all 3 of my children vaccinated and believe strongly this is the right decision. i think there is a large movement away from vaccinations which when you consider society as a whole is rather a dangerous move. i know this effects some f you personally, however not only did i vaccinate my children to protect them, but i did it knowing that i was playing my part in keeping such deadly diseases at bay in society.

my mother was a nurse in the 50's and has seen the dibilitating effects of things such as measles - which uninformed sections of society today could mistake for a bit of a fever and some spots.

i just want to point out the other side of the story. i am worried that one day these diseases will come back in force to effect future generations of my family. this is a real fear of mine